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  • Johnny Abruzzo
    Johnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 12,358
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Still going? I am not going to bite this time.

    No I'm done.

    Getting ready for U2. :D
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  • jamminpearls
    jamminpearls Posts: 7,078
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Still going? I am not going to bite this time.
    Thanks ;):)
    Go Birds!!!!
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,026
    Johnny Abruzzo wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    How many runs a player is worth to his team. There are a few vatiations it and it isn't perfect but it doesn't use RBI, it's more on total bases. The new versions take outs into consideration. I do like your thinking but players with better offenses are going to do better in your formula.

    Granderson has been unreal. Everyone ended up happy in that trade, well we will still see if Detroit is. Arizona did pretty damn well in that trade too, so far, but Granderson has been outstanding. One little swing change.

    I think the total bases kind of stats are better for the steroid-era and for Yankees games. In National League baseball, in 2010/2011 with all of it's 2-1 games, one sac fly (frowned upon by SABRmetrics) can be the crucial difference in a game. I felt like I remembered at least a dozen games this year when Howard had the winning RBI, and I wanted to put my thoughts into numbers, and that's what I came up with.

    Why do you say that total base stats are better for the steroid era? As you know, I prefer stats that are independent of what goes on around you and that is why I gravitate towards Runs Created, OPS and others like that. Like I said yesterday, I really like the triple slash line though and think it can paint a pretty accurate description of a players game.

    Yeah, making an out in general is frowned upon in advanced stats for the most part, but hitting an RBI sac fly is not going to hurt your stats in the grand scheme of things.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,026
    Johnny Abruzzo wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Still going? I am not going to bite this time.

    No I'm done.

    Getting ready for U2. :D

    Wasn't directed at you.

    I have been thinking about biting the bullet and grabbing tickets.
  • jamminpearls
    jamminpearls Posts: 7,078
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Johnny Abruzzo wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Still going? I am not going to bite this time.

    No I'm done.

    Getting ready for U2. :D

    Wasn't directed at you.

    I have been thinking about biting the bullet and grabbing tickets.
    Had i known i could have hooked u up with club box seats for cost.
    Go Birds!!!!
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,026
    jamminpearls wrote:
    Had i known i could have hooked u up with club box seats for cost.

    Damn, oh well. Yeah, I am not a huge fan but like the music for the most part and would like to experience their show. Trying to convince the lady.
  • jamminpearls
    jamminpearls Posts: 7,078
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    jamminpearls wrote:
    Had i known i could have hooked u up with club box seats for cost.

    Damn, oh well. Yeah, I am not a huge fan but like the music for the most part and would like to experience their show. Trying to convince the lady.
    Got asked today,i like U2 but not worth dealing with that traffic mess on a work night for an event i don't really care to see.
    Go Birds!!!!
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,026
    jamminpearls wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    jamminpearls wrote:
    Had i known i could have hooked u up with club box seats for cost.

    Damn, oh well. Yeah, I am not a huge fan but like the music for the most part and would like to experience their show. Trying to convince the lady.
    Got asked today,i like U2 but not worth dealing with that traffic mess on a work night for an event i don't really care to see.

    True, I wouldn't consider it if I were outside of the city.
  • jamminpearls
    jamminpearls Posts: 7,078
    But if and when those Birds tickets are available damn right i'll make it.
    Go Birds!!!!
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Still going? I am not going to bite this time.



    you threw the bone yesterday

    :lol:

    edit--never mind. thought you were talking about the r6 debate.


    maybe it's because i'm getting old, but i am now of the firm belief that all concerts should be fridays and saturdays. :x :lol:
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  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,528
    Someone asked me to go to this show and told me I had to pay for the ticket - $250. Yeah. No. Thanks.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,026
    Jearlpam0925 wrote:
    Someone asked me to go to this show and told me I had to pay for the ticket - $250. Yeah. No. Thanks.

    Yeah, fuck that. I was looking at $75 on stub hub. Don't think it's gonna happen though. The woman has to study certification test for work.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,026
    The Juggler wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Still going? I am not going to bite this time.



    you threw the bone yesterday

    :lol:

    edit--never mind. thought you were talking about the r6 debate.


    maybe it's because i'm getting old, but i am now of the firm belief that all concerts should be fridays and saturdays. :x :lol:

    I did. I was saying he was still going with Howard, I avoided it today and yeah, yesterday I did get it going.
  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    pjhawks wrote:
    Johnny Abruzzo wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:
    sucks phils are off tomorrow. I'd much rather have them with that extra off day later in the season...in between series. plus I'm going through baseball withdrawl

    I remember when every team played the Thursday after the ASG. I guess the players like having the longer break. But yeah, I am missing it. Although I guess it's ok since I'll be at the Linc tonight. (everyone's gotta see U2 once, right?)

    U2 are you kidding me? Who cares that they have had at least 30 mega-hits, at least 10 great albums, sold millions upon millons of albums, sold millions upon millions of tickets - don't you know they suck? they aren't worth the money they make. it's ridiculous. and My Morning Jacket is way better than them. it's not even close. i'd much rather have My Morning Jacket than U2. :lol::lol::lol: (pure sarcasm johnny - enjoy the show, perfect night weather wise).

    Judging a band by popularity and record sales is the equivalent of judging a player's talent on RBIs, wins, and/or saves.

    Fact is that most people like shit music like Lady Gaga and such. I could care less how many 'hits' a band has.

    U2 is OK IMO. I actually looked into tix. Once I saw the prices I laughed out loud
  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

    I don't care what Ryan Howard's "WAR" is. This team would be 3 or 4 games behind the Braves without him.

    Love when people make outrageous claims like this. All depends on who you replace him with. You can buy a lot with 25 million bucks these days :wink:
  • jamminpearls
    jamminpearls Posts: 7,078
    Dwelling about something someone dosen't do compared to what someone actually does is ridiculous. Just because he leads in chances dosen't mean he's not being productive. Especially when as the fixer says the lineup blows.
    Go Birds!!!!
  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    jamminpearls wrote:
    Dwelling about something someone dosen't do compared to what someone actually does is ridiculous. Just because he leads in chances dosen't mean he's not being productive. Especially when as the fixer says the lineup blows.

    lineup does blow. it has still given him far more chances to drive in runs than any other player in baseball. and he doesn't lead the league in that stupid stat...which should tell you something.

    anyway, I had to throw in my 2 cents. The ROI on howard's contract doesn't come close to justifying what they're paying him

    Hopefully howard spent the AS week breaking in a new glove. The one he used last weekend had some holes in it. When was the last time you saw a first baseman drop a routine throw from a SS? He really does need to catch those throws with two hands :roll:
  • jamminpearls
    jamminpearls Posts: 7,078
    The Fixer wrote:
    jamminpearls wrote:
    Dwelling about something someone dosen't do compared to what someone actually does is ridiculous. Just because he leads in chances dosen't mean he's not being productive. Especially when as the fixer says the lineup blows.

    lineup does blow. it has still given him far more chances to drive in runs than any other player in baseball. and he doesn't lead the league in that stupid stat...which should tell you something.

    anyway, I had to throw in my 2 cents. The ROI on howard's contract doesn't come close to justifying what they're paying him

    Hopefully howard spent the AS week breaking in a new glove. The one he used last weekend had some holes in it. When was the last time you saw a first baseman drop a routine throw from a SS? He really does need to catch those throws with two hands :roll:

    And he's produced enough to be tied with another good>great player with a great lineup. Serious question how can 130-145 rbi's not be considered very successful? I agree i hope he got a new glove as well,and like i said numerous times 25mil is way to much for any player.
    Go Birds!!!!
  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    jamminpearls wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:
    jamminpearls wrote:
    Dwelling about something someone dosen't do compared to what someone actually does is ridiculous. Just because he leads in chances dosen't mean he's not being productive. Especially when as the fixer says the lineup blows.

    lineup does blow. it has still given him far more chances to drive in runs than any other player in baseball. and he doesn't lead the league in that stupid stat...which should tell you something.

    anyway, I had to throw in my 2 cents. The ROI on howard's contract doesn't come close to justifying what they're paying him

    Hopefully howard spent the AS week breaking in a new glove. The one he used last weekend had some holes in it. When was the last time you saw a first baseman drop a routine throw from a SS? He really does need to catch those throws with two hands :roll:

    And he's produced enough to be tied with another good>great player with a great lineup. Serious question how can 130-145 rbi's not be considered very successful? I agree i hope he got a new glove as well,and like i said numerous times 25mil is way to much for any player.

    we are going around in circles. the RBIs are a product of the lineup giving him chances.

    Look at Adrian Gonzalez's RBI totals with SD. You think he is better than howard right? well, his RBI totals weren't close to howards. Why? because he didn't have as many opportunities on a shitty team.

    It's not rocket science. They more opportunities a guy gets, the more RBI he will have. It's all about guys in frnt of him getting on base and giving him chances.

    RBI should be a team stat
  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    salisbury was just asked the following....

    'if you had to name one player that you think the phils will bring here in a trade, who would it be?'

    his response...'I can't name just one guy. My guess is it's someone like Francoeur, Ludwick, or Spillbourghs'.

    Then I puked on myself
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