***The Official Philadelphia Phillies 2012 Thread***

Jearlpam0925

Plus, Jeags, you do remember Neils is a Yankee and Lakers fan? Is an argument needed?

The Juggler

Cliffy6745 wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Conversly, from 2008 through 2010, Chase Utley has been the 2nd best player in baseball in terms of WAR, and the most valuable in terms of comparing WAR to his salary. So no, he is actually better by charts.

dude--why didn't go all nuts like this on neillybabes when he claimed cc was the best pitcher in the league based on his number of wins a few days ago in the yankess thread? i'm pretty sure he's an rbi guy too. go fill up pages and pages of that thread with arguments for arguments sake

I was near death on Sunday. I couldn't respond, saw it and couldn't. I just kicked my hangover from Saturday night this morning.

...something tells me you wouldn't have cared either way.

but yeah, getting old sucks. i'm on a minimum of 2 days recovery time now.

Cliffy6745

pjhawks wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

pjhawks wrote:

ughh it's like talking to school children. where at any point did i say utley was better than howard? all i said was that i'd rather have howard up in a big spot, and chase's value is best viewed by your open eyes than a chart or stats. i never said that chase was more valuable but just that he is a guy who is best viewed as opposed to read off a chart. Understand or do we need to go back to summer school for comprehension?

Conversly, from 2008 through 2010, Chase Utley has been the 2nd best player in baseball in terms of WAR, and the most valuable in terms of comparing WAR to his salary. So no, he is actually better by charts.

thanks for proving my point that war and charts are bullshit even chase's wife wouldn't argue that he has been the 2nd best player in baseball over the past 3 years

I disagree. There not not many players in baseball that have been that consistently good for all three of those years. If you look at 2007-2009, its probably even better.

The Juggler

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

Plus, Jeags, you do remember Neils is a Yankee and Lakers fan? Is an argument needed?

...and a unc fan

Cliffy6745

The Juggler wrote:

...something tells me you wouldn't have cared either way.

but yeah, getting old sucks. i'm on a minimum of 2 days recovery time now.

I would make note that I don't think wins are a good representation of a pitchers ability, especially CCs since he has the highest run support in the game this year. But the difference is,it wouldn't turn into this.

Jearlpam0925

The Juggler wrote:

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

Plus, Jeags, you do remember Neils is a Yankee and Lakers fan? Is an argument needed?

...and a unc fan

Like I said...

The best part is when he was slurping Cliff Lee HARD last year and up until the point that the Phils signed him. And now he ain't shit. Wants nothing to do with ol' Clifton.

Johnny Abruzzo

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

Contractions are okay!

You got choked up? All I know is I hope Chooch fulfills that promise.

EDIT: Oh. Right. Temple guy.

I'm getting like Dick Vermeil in my old age. :roll:

Jearlpam0925

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

Contractions are okay!

You got choked up? All I know is I hope Chooch fulfills that promise.

EDIT: Oh. Right. Temple guy.

I'm getting like Dick Vermeil in my old age. :roll:

I think it's the baby making. All of a sudden there is a God, Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, etc. etc. I figured.

The Juggler

Cliffy6745 wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

...something tells me you wouldn't have cared either way.

but yeah, getting old sucks. i'm on a minimum of 2 days recovery time now.

I would make note that I don't think wins are a good representation of a pitchers ability, especially CCs since he has the highest run support in the game this year. But the difference is,it wouldn't turn into this.

point is, you looked for this today

Cliffy6745

The Juggler wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

...something tells me you wouldn't have cared either way.

but yeah, getting old sucks. i'm on a minimum of 2 days recovery time now.

I would make note that I don't think wins are a good representation of a pitchers ability, especially CCs since he has the highest run support in the game this year. But the difference is,it wouldn't turn into this.

point is, you looked for this today

On the contrary, I saw the Deadspin article and there was no way I could pass up posting that, so I somewhat looked for it.

And yeah, that hangover was bad. Nothing like it. Sunday night when I went to sleep, I thought there was a 50-50 chance I would never wake up again.

The Juggler

Cliffy6745 wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

I would make note that I don't think wins are a good representation of a pitchers ability, especially CCs since he has the highest run support in the game this year. But the difference is,it wouldn't turn into this.

point is, you looked for this today

On the contrary, I saw the Deadspin article and there was no way I could pass up posting that, so I somewhat looked for it.

And yeah, that hangover was bad. Nothing like it. Sunday night when I went to sleep, I thought there was a 50-50 chance I would never wake up again.

no. you saw the deadspin article and knew you get mr hawk's panties in a bunch. at least be honest

Jearlpam0925

The Juggler wrote:

no. you saw the deadspin article and knew you get mr hawk's panties in a bunch. at least be honest

That I can get behind. But, at the same time, why the hell not? It's totally worth it.

Johnny Abruzzo

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

Contractions are okay!

You got choked up? All I know is I hope Chooch fulfills that promise.

EDIT: Oh. Right. Temple guy.

I'm getting like Dick Vermeil in my old age. :roll:

I think it's the baby making. All of a sudden there is a God, Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, etc. etc. I figured.

I know, so emotional to have a 9-month old trying to gouge my eyes out.

Inside Job was so emotional that 448th time I heard it. :?

Cliffy6745

The Juggler wrote:

no. you saw the deadspin article and knew you get mr hawk's panties in a bunch. at least be honest

Actually, I saw the deadspin article and thought, wow, this is a good write up on why RBI are not a good representation of a players ability, perhaps I will post it so hopefully it will click with my good friends in the Phillies thread who I often politely disagree with about the Phillies first basemans ability.

Nah...fuck it. You're right.

The Juggler

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

no. you saw the deadspin article and knew you get mr hawk's panties in a bunch. at least be honest

That I can get behind. But, at the same time, why the hell not? It's totally worth it.

....i dunno. at some point an argument has to reach it's zenith. and i think we're waaay beyond it.

same old poop at this point.

Jearlpam0925

The Juggler wrote:

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

no. you saw the deadspin article and knew you get mr hawk's panties in a bunch. at least be honest

That I can get behind. But, at the same time, why the hell not? It's totally worth it.

....i dunno. at some point an argument has to reach it's zenith. and i think we're waaay beyond it.

same old poop at this point.

Hmmmm.........nnnnnnaaaah. No, definitely not. Not this time. The logic of explanation, and the contradiction of said logic, is just too fucking good.

The Juggler

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

That I can get behind. But, at the same time, why the hell not? It's totally worth it.

....i dunno. at some point an argument has to reach it's zenith. and i think we're waaay beyond it.

same old poop at this point.

Hmmmm.........nnnnnnaaaah. No, definitely not. Not this time. The logic of explanation, and the contradiction of said logic, is just too fucking good.

The Fixer

The Juggler wrote:

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

no. you saw the deadspin article and knew you get mr hawk's panties in a bunch. at least be honest

That I can get behind. But, at the same time, why the hell not? It's totally worth it.

....i dunno. at some point an argument has to reach it's zenith. and i think we're waaay beyond it.

same old poop at this point.

I blame bill conlin. Someone needs to get him and Ibanez to retire ASAP. conlin is the guy that was all up in arms that the phils gave up 'can't miss prospect' michael taylor in the halladay deal. He hasn't written a meaningful article since abreu got traded...and now he's the one defending howard, which seems appropriate to me (especially for this thread)

sucks phils are off tomorrow. I'd much rather have them with that extra off day later in the season...in between series. plus I'm going through baseball withdrawl

Johnny Abruzzo

The Fixer wrote:

sucks phils are off tomorrow. I'd much rather have them with that extra off day later in the season...in between series. plus I'm going through baseball withdrawl

I remember when every team played the Thursday after the ASG. I guess the players like having the longer break. But yeah, I am missing it. Although I guess it's ok since I'll be at the Linc tonight. (everyone's gotta see U2 once, right?)

pjhawks

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

sucks phils are off tomorrow. I'd much rather have them with that extra off day later in the season...in between series. plus I'm going through baseball withdrawl

I remember when every team played the Thursday after the ASG. I guess the players like having the longer break. But yeah, I am missing it. Although I guess it's ok since I'll be at the Linc tonight. (everyone's gotta see U2 once, right?)

U2 are you kidding me? Who cares that they have had at least 30 mega-hits, at least 10 great albums, sold millions upon millons of albums, sold millions upon millions of tickets - don't you know they suck? they aren't worth the money they make. it's ridiculous. and My Morning Jacket is way better than them. it's not even close. i'd much rather have My Morning Jacket than U2. (pure sarcasm johnny - enjoy the show, perfect night weather wise).