***The Official Philadelphia Phillies 2012 Thread***

jamminpearls

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

sucks phils are off tomorrow. I'd much rather have them with that extra off day later in the season...in between series. plus I'm going through baseball withdrawl

I remember when every team played the Thursday after the ASG. I guess the players like having the longer break. But yeah, I am missing it. Although I guess it's ok since I'll be at the Linc tonight. (everyone's gotta see U2 once, right?)

Just turned down free club box seats from my wife's work. And i've been in the box for eagles games it's fucking sweet tits.

Johnny Abruzzo

pjhawks wrote:

U2 are you kidding me? Who cares that they have had at least 30 mega-hits, at least 10 great albums, sold millions upon millons of albums, sold millions upon millions of tickets - don't you know they suck? they aren't worth the money they make. it's ridiculous. and My Morning Jacket is way better than them. it's not even close. i'd much rather have My Morning Jacket than U2. (pure sarcasm johnny - enjoy the show, perfect night weather wise).

Yeah, I think they're great too. I'm really excited. I know many people hate them - that's cool. Whatever you want to think. I just hate dealing with going to any events with 70K people. At least it's not in that dump in Camden.

I got the new MMJ album - it's ok - I can't really get into it that much.

The Juggler

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

pjhawks wrote:

U2 are you kidding me? Who cares that they have had at least 30 mega-hits, at least 10 great albums, sold millions upon millons of albums, sold millions upon millions of tickets - don't you know they suck? they aren't worth the money they make. it's ridiculous. and My Morning Jacket is way better than them. it's not even close. i'd much rather have My Morning Jacket than U2. (pure sarcasm johnny - enjoy the show, perfect night weather wise).

Yeah, I think they're great too. I'm really excited. I know many people hate them - that's cool. Whatever you want to think. I just hate dealing with going to any events with 70K people. At least it's not in that dump in Camden.

I got the new MMJ album - it's ok - I can't really get into it that much.

kinda wish i got tickets to this shindig tonight. i don't give a shit that it's not really "cool" anymore to like u2. they're one of my alltime faves. achtung baby was one of those difinitive albums in my life.....i could do without all the theatrics of their shows though.



anyone see that curt flood doc on hbo? it's very well done. what an interesting cat he was...

Johnny Abruzzo

The Juggler wrote:

kinda wish i got tickets to this shindig tonight. i don't give a shit that it's not really "cool" anymore to like u2. they're one of my alltime faves. achtung baby was one of those difinitive albums in my life.....i could do without all the theatrics of their shows though.

They are playing lots of Achtung Baby on this tour.

U2 has a great "WAR". :P



I will say the new MMJ is much better than the last U2 album.

The Juggler

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

kinda wish i got tickets to this shindig tonight. i don't give a shit that it's not really "cool" anymore to like u2. they're one of my alltime faves. achtung baby was one of those difinitive albums in my life.....i could do without all the theatrics of their shows though.

They are playing lots of Achtung Baby on this tour.

U2 has a great "WAR". :P



I will say the new MMJ is much better than the last U2 album.

of course it is...why are we comparing mmj with u2 though? i don't get that.

PureandEasy

I've seen U2 numerous times, most specifically when Springsteen showed up at the old JFK. Great show.

I'm not that into them anymore and can not stand the theatrics, but the shows I went to were good.

And Auchtung Baby, fantastic record.

pjhawks

The Juggler wrote:

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

kinda wish i got tickets to this shindig tonight. i don't give a shit that it's not really "cool" anymore to like u2. they're one of my alltime faves. achtung baby was one of those difinitive albums in my life.....i could do without all the theatrics of their shows though.

They are playing lots of Achtung Baby on this tour.

U2 has a great "WAR". :P



I will say the new MMJ is much better than the last U2 album.

of course it is...why are we comparing mmj with u2 though? i don't get that.

Jaegs I just randomly threw MMJ in my original sarcastic post. nothing really meant by it.

Johnny well played on the WAR picture/post

Joshua Tree and Actung Baby are tremendous albums and I also really like Rattle and Hum. Think Bono is a huge dbag but can't deny their long term greatness as a band.

back to Phils - anyone seen what the rotation is going to be for the weekend? I know Worley is going friday but haven't seen how they are following him up yet.

Johnny Abruzzo

The Juggler wrote:

of course it is...why are we comparing mmj with u2 though? i don't get that.

I don't know - ask pjhawks.

I'm gonna regret this...

So, I was wondering something. I took runs produced (runs + RBI - homers) divided by total team runs to get the percent of a team's runs that certain guys were involved in. Doesn't that sound like a good measure of how valuable offensively a guy is to his team? I think it is.

Matt Kemp, LA 100 runs produced (RP) / 340 team runs (TR) = 29.4%
Andrew McCutchen, Pit 94 RP / 354 TR = 26.6%
Ryan Howard, Phi 101 RP / 384 TR = 26.3%
Curtis Granderson, NYY 117 RP / 455 TR = 25.7%
Adrian Gonzalez, Bos 124 RP / 482 TR = 25.7%
Prince Fielder Mil 103 RP / 405 TR = 25.4%
Ryan Braun Mil 103 RP / 405 TR = 25.4% (they are tied, and obviously they have great hitters around each other in the lineup)
Miguel Cabrera, Det 104 RP / 413 TR = 25.2%
Jose Bautista Tor 107 RP / 426 TR = 25.1%

I think that's everyone helping produce over 25% his team's runs. I probably fucked something up there - sorry.

Others:
Paul Konerko, CWS 86 RP / 366 TR = 23.5%
Joey Votto, Cin 101 RP / 437 TR = 23.1% (I concede that Votto is a vastly superior defensive 1B though.)

I don't care what Ryan Howard's "WAR" is. This team would be 3 or 4 games behind the Braves without him.

jamminpearls

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

of course it is...why are we comparing mmj with u2 though? i don't get that.

I don't know - ask pjhawks.

I'm gonna regret this...

So, I was wondering something. I took runs produced (runs + RBI - homers) divided by total team runs to get the percent of a team's runs that certain guys were involved in. Doesn't that sound like a good measure of how valuable offensively a guy is to his team? I think it is.

Matt Kemp, LA 100 runs produced (RP) / 340 team runs (TR) = 29.4%
Andrew McCutchen, Pit 94 RP / 354 TR = 26.6%
Ryan Howard, Phi 101 RP / 384 TR = 26.3%
Curtis Granderson, NYY 117 RP / 455 TR = 25.7%
Adrian Gonzalez, Bos 124 RP / 482 TR = 25.7%
Prince Fielder Mil 103 RP / 405 TR = 25.4%
Ryan Braun Mil 103 RP / 405 TR = 25.4% (they are tied, and obviously they have great hitters around each other in the lineup)
Miguel Cabrera, Det 104 RP / 413 TR = 25.2%
Jose Bautista Tor 107 RP / 426 TR = 25.1%

I think that's everyone helping produce over 25% his team's runs. I probably fucked something up there - sorry.

Others:
Paul Konerko, CWS 86 RP / 366 TR = 23.5%
Joey Votto, Cin 101 RP / 437 TR = 23.1% (I concede that Votto is a vastly superior defensive 1B though.)

I don't care what Ryan Howard's "WAR" is. This team would be 3 or 4 games behind the Braves without him.

Johnny your posts the last week or so have been the best posted shit in this thread in a long long time. How any says 40 and 135 isn't meeting up to contract standards is blind. Of course he's overpaid but that dosen't mean he's not producing at an insane rate.

pjhawks

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

of course it is...why are we comparing mmj with u2 though? i don't get that.

I don't know - ask pjhawks.

I'm gonna regret this...

So, I was wondering something. I took runs produced (runs + RBI - homers) divided by total team runs to get the percent of a team's runs that certain guys were involved in. Doesn't that sound like a good measure of how valuable offensively a guy is to his team? I think it is.

Matt Kemp, LA 100 runs produced (RP) / 340 team runs (TR) = 29.4%
Andrew McCutchen, Pit 94 RP / 354 TR = 26.6%
Ryan Howard, Phi 101 RP / 384 TR = 26.3%
Curtis Granderson, NYY 117 RP / 455 TR = 25.7%
Adrian Gonzalez, Bos 124 RP / 482 TR = 25.7%
Prince Fielder Mil 103 RP / 405 TR = 25.4%
Ryan Braun Mil 103 RP / 405 TR = 25.4% (they are tied, and obviously they have great hitters around each other in the lineup)
Miguel Cabrera, Det 104 RP / 413 TR = 25.2%
Jose Bautista Tor 107 RP / 426 TR = 25.1%

I think that's everyone helping produce over 25% his team's runs. I probably fucked something up there - sorry.

Others:
Paul Konerko, CWS 86 RP / 366 TR = 23.5%
Joey Votto, Cin 101 RP / 437 TR = 23.1% (I concede that Votto is a vastly superior defensive 1B though.)

I don't care what Ryan Howard's "WAR" is. This team would be 3 or 4 games behind the Braves without him.

thought about this last night and decided these are the only things/numbers i need to ever list in favor of ryan howard:
1) a rookie of the year, mvp, and 2nd place in mvp voting in 6+ years (is there any other city in america that would be ripping a player with that resume as much as philly does?)
2) 4th hitter every day for a 4-time (and looking good for 5-time) division winner, world series champion, world series runner-up (NLCS MVP), and a 3rd nlcs appearance (and counting). 3 of those division titles won on the backs of the offense and not the pitching
3) at worst the 3rd best offensive player in the franchise's past 60 years and one of the top 2 best offensive players in the greatest run in franchise history (and on the cusp to be the greatest run in philly sports history)

I only care what ryan has done and does for OUR team. if the above isn't enough (and still counting) for some then there isn't much else to say. Nuff said on this argument.

Johnny Abruzzo

jamminpearls wrote:

Johnny your posts the last week or so have been the best posted shit in this thread in a long long time. How any says 40 and 135 isn't meeting up to contract standards is blind. Of course he's overpaid but that dosen't mean he's not producing at an insane rate.

Thanks. I'm done - we'll just let the numbers speak for themselves. I mean, yeah, the guy drives me nuts sometimes (seriously, how could he drop that popup?). But you can't deny how valuable he is. (well not $25M per year, but still pretty fucking important)

Cliffy6745

Why not just look at Runs Created? Your formula, while I like the thought process, still evaluates players on RBI.

Johnny Abruzzo

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Why not just look at Runs Created? Your formula, while I like the thought process, still evaluates players on RBI.

Can you tell me in 20 words or less what Runs Created are? I thought I did use runs created (well, not the capitalized version).

Cliffy, the other thing I realized was how awesome Granderson has been this year. I have to eat crow on the "Yankees got fleeced on Granderson trade" thing.

Cliffy6745

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Why not just look at Runs Created? Your formula, while I like the thought process, still evaluates players on RBI.

Can you tell me in 20 words or less what Runs Created are? I thought I did use runs created (well, not the capitalized version).

Cliffy, the other thing I realized was how awesome Granderson has been this year. I have to eat crow on the "Yankees got fleeced on Granderson trade" thing.

How many runs a player is worth to his team. There are a few vatiations it and it isn't perfect but it doesn't use RBI, it's more on total bases. The new versions take outs into consideration. I do like your thinking but players with better offenses are going to do better in your formula.

Granderson has been unreal. Everyone ended up happy in that trade, well we will still see if Detroit is. Arizona did pretty damn well in that trade too, so far, but Granderson has been outstanding. One little swing change.

jamminpearls

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

jamminpearls wrote:

Johnny your posts the last week or so have been the best posted shit in this thread in a long long time. How any says 40 and 135 isn't meeting up to contract standards is blind. Of course he's overpaid but that dosen't mean he's not producing at an insane rate.

Thanks. I'm done - we'll just let the numbers speak for themselves. I mean, yeah, the guy drives me nuts sometimes (seriously, how could he drop that popup?). But you can't deny how valuable he is. (well not $25M per year, but still pretty fucking important)

And they do,he drives me nuts as well but my eyes don't lie. NO PLAYER is worth near 25 a year but sadly that's what it is.

Johnny Abruzzo

Cliffy6745 wrote:

How many runs a player is worth to his team. There are a few vatiations it and it isn't perfect but it doesn't use RBI, it's more on total bases. The new versions take outs into consideration. I do like your thinking but players with better offenses are going to do better in your formula.

Granderson has been unreal. Everyone ended up happy in that trade, well we will still see if Detroit is. Arizona did pretty damn well in that trade too, so far, but Granderson has been outstanding. One little swing change.

I think the total bases kind of stats are better for the steroid-era and for Yankees games. In National League baseball, in 2010/2011 with all of it's 2-1 games, one sac fly (frowned upon by SABRmetrics) can be the crucial difference in a game. I felt like I remembered at least a dozen games this year when Howard had the winning RBI, and I wanted to put my thoughts into numbers, and that's what I came up with.

jamminpearls

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

How many runs a player is worth to his team. There are a few vatiations it and it isn't perfect but it doesn't use RBI, it's more on total bases. The new versions take outs into consideration. I do like your thinking but players with better offenses are going to do better in your formula.

Granderson has been unreal. Everyone ended up happy in that trade, well we will still see if Detroit is. Arizona did pretty damn well in that trade too, so far, but Granderson has been outstanding. One little swing change.

I think the total bases kind of stats are better for the steroid-era and for Yankees games. In National League baseball, in 2010/2011 with all of it's 2-1 games, one sac fly (frowned upon by SABRmetrics) can be the crucial difference in a game. I felt like I remembered at least a dozen games this year when Howard had the winning RBI, and I wanted to put my thoughts into numbers, and that's what I came up with.

Like i said YOUR EYES don't lie.

81

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

of course it is...why are we comparing mmj with u2 though? i don't get that.

I don't know - ask pjhawks.

I'm gonna regret this...

So, I was wondering something. I took runs produced (runs + RBI - homers) divided by total team runs to get the percent of a team's runs that certain guys were involved in. Doesn't that sound like a good measure of how valuable offensively a guy is to his team? I think it is.

Matt Kemp, LA 100 runs produced (RP) / 340 team runs (TR) = 29.4%
Andrew McCutchen, Pit 94 RP / 354 TR = 26.6%
Ryan Howard, Phi 101 RP / 384 TR = 26.3%
Curtis Granderson, NYY 117 RP / 455 TR = 25.7%
Adrian Gonzalez, Bos 124 RP / 482 TR = 25.7%
Prince Fielder Mil 103 RP / 405 TR = 25.4%
Ryan Braun Mil 103 RP / 405 TR = 25.4% (they are tied, and obviously they have great hitters around each other in the lineup)
Miguel Cabrera, Det 104 RP / 413 TR = 25.2%
Jose Bautista Tor 107 RP / 426 TR = 25.1%

I think that's everyone helping produce over 25% his team's runs. I probably fucked something up there - sorry.

Others:
Paul Konerko, CWS 86 RP / 366 TR = 23.5%
Joey Votto, Cin 101 RP / 437 TR = 23.1% (I concede that Votto is a vastly superior defensive 1B though.)

I don't care what Ryan Howard's "WAR" is. This team would be 3 or 4 games behind the Braves without him.

can't be right, Howard is near the top fo the list. :P

you guys over think shit.

jamminpearls

81 wrote:

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

of course it is...why are we comparing mmj with u2 though? i don't get that.

I don't know - ask pjhawks.

I'm gonna regret this...

So, I was wondering something. I took runs produced (runs + RBI - homers) divided by total team runs to get the percent of a team's runs that certain guys were involved in. Doesn't that sound like a good measure of how valuable offensively a guy is to his team? I think it is.

Matt Kemp, LA 100 runs produced (RP) / 340 team runs (TR) = 29.4%
Andrew McCutchen, Pit 94 RP / 354 TR = 26.6%
Ryan Howard, Phi 101 RP / 384 TR = 26.3%
Curtis Granderson, NYY 117 RP / 455 TR = 25.7%
Adrian Gonzalez, Bos 124 RP / 482 TR = 25.7%
Prince Fielder Mil 103 RP / 405 TR = 25.4%
Ryan Braun Mil 103 RP / 405 TR = 25.4% (they are tied, and obviously they have great hitters around each other in the lineup)
Miguel Cabrera, Det 104 RP / 413 TR = 25.2%
Jose Bautista Tor 107 RP / 426 TR = 25.1%

I think that's everyone helping produce over 25% his team's runs. I probably fucked something up there - sorry.

Others:
Paul Konerko, CWS 86 RP / 366 TR = 23.5%
Joey Votto, Cin 101 RP / 437 TR = 23.1% (I concede that Votto is a vastly superior defensive 1B though.)

I don't care what Ryan Howard's "WAR" is. This team would be 3 or 4 games behind the Braves without him.

can't be right, Howard is near the top fo the list. :P

you guys over think shit.

Only certain people do, most people understand that your best run producer is extremely valuable.

Cliffy6745

Still going? I am not going to bite this time.