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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    more howard stuff? :roll:

    don't you guys get tired of the same stupid argument day in, day out?
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  • Johnny Abruzzo
    Johnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 12,358
    Well I've said all I have to say on this particular topic.


    As for Chooch - that article was sublime. Doc is right - when Chooch was injured last year it seemed like the whole team fell apart. They weathered the storm of all the other injuries, but they were just not a good team without him. You could just tell the confidence was gone.


    Yeah, Madson will go back to being the closer.
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  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,911
    Jearlpam0925 wrote:

    I feel like he's contradicting himself. So both by his eyes and those crazy stats Chase Utley is a great player? I'm missing something. Because he just said with his "eyes" Utley isn't as good as Howard, but now with his "eyes" he is? This is on a whole 'nother level.

    you confused posts between cliffy and i.
  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,528
    The Juggler wrote:
    more howard stuff? :roll:

    don't you guys get tired of the same stupid argument day in, day out?

    But this is my first time really digging my heels in.
  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,911
    The Juggler wrote:
    more howard stuff? :roll:

    don't you guys get tired of the same stupid argument day in, day out?

    sorry it was in response to a few articles that appeared today. one from conlin in the daily news and one from some 5th-tier blogger. and i don't know why i care what a yankees fan thinks :roll:
  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,528
    pjhawks wrote:
    Jearlpam0925 wrote:

    I feel like he's contradicting himself. So both by his eyes and those crazy stats Chase Utley is a great player? I'm missing something. Because he just said with his "eyes" Utley isn't as good as Howard, but now with his "eyes" he is? This is on a whole 'nother level.

    you confused posts between cliffy and i.

    No, actually I haven't.
    pjhawks wrote:

    wait so actually seeing someone play has no baring on what you think about a guy? jeezus really, seriously? you can tell a lot about a player watching, you know like who is a nut job and who plays the game the right way. you could argue chase utley is the ultimate value of seeing somone with your own eyes. he does things you have to see not read in a fucking book or a chart.
  • Johnny Abruzzo
    Johnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 12,358
    Is that SI issue on stands right now?

    And how 'bout that Carlos Ruiz... ;)
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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,026
    pjhawks wrote:
    The Juggler wrote:
    more howard stuff? :roll:

    don't you guys get tired of the same stupid argument day in, day out?

    sorry it was in response to a few articles that appeared today. one from conlin in the daily news and one from some 5th-tier blogger. and i don't know why i care what a yankees fan thinks :roll:

    Deadspin is a 5th tier blog?
  • FenwayFaithful
    FenwayFaithful Posts: 8,626
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    FenwayFaithful wrote:
    Quick question for you kids...they give Madson the closer spot back when he returns next week, right?

    You're interrupting
    My apologies. Carry on.
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  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,528
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    pjhawks wrote:
    The Juggler wrote:
    more howard stuff? :roll:

    don't you guys get tired of the same stupid argument day in, day out?

    sorry it was in response to a few articles that appeared today. one from conlin in the daily news and one from some 5th-tier blogger. and i don't know why i care what a yankees fan thinks :roll:

    Deadspin is a 5th tier blog?

    5th tier must mean #1.

    http://www.sportsmediachallenge.com/spo ... _index.asp

    ...with a founder who's now with The Times. Yep, 5th tier, totally checks out.
  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,911
    Jearlpam0925 wrote:
    pjhawks wrote:
    Jearlpam0925 wrote:

    I feel like he's contradicting himself. So both by his eyes and those crazy stats Chase Utley is a great player? I'm missing something. Because he just said with his "eyes" Utley isn't as good as Howard, but now with his "eyes" he is? This is on a whole 'nother level.

    you confused posts between cliffy and i.

    No, actually I haven't.
    pjhawks wrote:

    wait so actually seeing someone play has no baring on what you think about a guy? jeezus really, seriously? you can tell a lot about a player watching, you know like who is a nut job and who plays the game the right way. you could argue chase utley is the ultimate value of seeing somone with your own eyes. he does things you have to see not read in a fucking book or a chart.

    ughh it's like talking to school children. where at any point did i say utley was better than howard? all i said was that i'd rather have howard up in a big spot, and chase's value is best viewed by your open eyes than a chart or stats. i never said that chase was more valuable but just that he is a guy who is best viewed as opposed to read off a chart. Understand or do we need to go back to summer school for comprehension?
  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,528
    I can't believe you went to St. Joe's. I really can't.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,026
    pjhawks wrote:
    ughh it's like talking to school children. where at any point did i say utley was better than howard? all i said was that i'd rather have howard up in a big spot, and chase's value is best viewed by your open eyes than a chart or stats. i never said that chase was more valuable but just that he is a guy who is best viewed as opposed to read off a chart. Understand or do we need to go back to summer school for comprehension?

    Conversly, from 2008 through 2010, Chase Utley has been the 2nd best player in baseball in terms of WAR, and the most valuable in terms of comparing WAR to his salary. So no, he is actually better by charts.
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    Johnny Abruzzo wrote:
    Is that SI issue on stands right now?

    And how 'bout that Carlos Ruiz... ;)

    i believe so. chooch is the man.



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  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,911
    edited July 2011
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    pjhawks wrote:
    ughh it's like talking to school children. where at any point did i say utley was better than howard? all i said was that i'd rather have howard up in a big spot, and chase's value is best viewed by your open eyes than a chart or stats. i never said that chase was more valuable but just that he is a guy who is best viewed as opposed to read off a chart. Understand or do we need to go back to summer school for comprehension?

    Conversly, from 2008 through 2010, Chase Utley has been the 2nd best player in baseball in terms of WAR, and the most valuable in terms of comparing WAR to his salary. So no, he is actually better by charts.

    thanks for proving my point that war and charts are bullshit 8-) even chase's wife wouldn't argue that he has been the 2nd best player in baseball over the past 3 years
    Post edited by pjhawks on
  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,528
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    pjhawks wrote:
    ughh it's like talking to school children. where at any point did i say utley was better than howard? all i said was that i'd rather have howard up in a big spot, and chase's value is best viewed by your open eyes than a chart or stats. i never said that chase was more valuable but just that he is a guy who is best viewed as opposed to read off a chart. Understand or do we need to go back to summer school for comprehension?

    Conversly, from 2008 through 2010, Chase Utley has been the 2nd best player in baseball in terms of WAR, and the most valuable in terms of comparing WAR to his salary. So no, he is actually better by charts.

    And "eyes".
  • Johnny Abruzzo
    Johnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 12,358
    Jearlpam0925 wrote:
    I can't believe you went to St. Joe's. I really can't.

    :lol:

    My reading comprehension seems to have gotten a lot worse very recently... :?


    How about Doc giving Chooch all those presents - that choked me up. So awesome.
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    pjhawks wrote:
    ughh it's like talking to school children. where at any point did i say utley was better than howard? all i said was that i'd rather have howard up in a big spot, and chase's value is best viewed by your open eyes than a chart or stats. i never said that chase was more valuable but just that he is a guy who is best viewed as opposed to read off a chart. Understand or do we need to go back to summer school for comprehension?

    Conversly, from 2008 through 2010, Chase Utley has been the 2nd best player in baseball in terms of WAR, and the most valuable in terms of comparing WAR to his salary. So no, he is actually better by charts.


    dude--why didn't go all nuts like this on neillybabes when he claimed cc was the best pitcher in the league based on his number of wins a few days ago in the yankess thread? i'm pretty sure he's an rbi guy too. go fill up pages and pages of that thread with arguments for arguments sake :lol:
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  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,528
    edited July 2011
    Johnny Abruzzo wrote:
    Jearlpam0925 wrote:
    I can't believe you went to St. Joe's. I really can't.

    :lol:

    My reading comprehension seems to have gotten a lot worse very recently... :?


    How about Doc giving Chooch all those presents - that choked me up. So awesome.

    Contractions are okay!

    You got choked up? All I know is I hope Chooch fulfills that promise.

    EDIT: Oh. Right. Temple guy.
    Post edited by Jearlpam0925 on
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,026
    The Juggler wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    pjhawks wrote:
    ughh it's like talking to school children. where at any point did i say utley was better than howard? all i said was that i'd rather have howard up in a big spot, and chase's value is best viewed by your open eyes than a chart or stats. i never said that chase was more valuable but just that he is a guy who is best viewed as opposed to read off a chart. Understand or do we need to go back to summer school for comprehension?

    Conversly, from 2008 through 2010, Chase Utley has been the 2nd best player in baseball in terms of WAR, and the most valuable in terms of comparing WAR to his salary. So no, he is actually better by charts.


    dude--why didn't go all nuts like this on neillybabes when he claimed cc was the best pitcher in the league based on his number of wins a few days ago in the yankess thread? i'm pretty sure he's an rbi guy too. go fill up pages and pages of that thread with arguments for arguments sake :lol:

    I was near death on Sunday. I couldn't respond, saw it and couldn't. I just kicked my hangover from Saturday night this morning.
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