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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    jamminpearls wrote:
    The Juggler wrote:
    :lol: ....pjhawks' new avatar :lol:
    Most under appreciated Monster out there.

    it's a cool picture
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  • jamminpearls
    jamminpearls Posts: 7,078
    The Juggler wrote:
    jamminpearls wrote:
    The Juggler wrote:
    :lol: ....pjhawks' new avatar :lol:
    Most under appreciated Monster out there.

    it's a cool picture
    I agree!!!
    Go Birds!!!!
  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,529
    Anybody actually read the article yet? Pretty awesome. No, fucking awesome is more like it.

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/ ... /index.htm
  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,912
    Jearlpam0925 wrote:
    Anybody actually read the article yet? Pretty awesome. No, fucking awesome is more like it.

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/ ... /index.htm

    wow i agree what a fucking awesome article. chooch is the man.
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    i prefer "The Ace Catcher" over "The Ace Receiver" though..


    ....apparently SI has a couple other big Phils pieces slated for the 2nd half of the season....
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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,026
    Gotta do it...sorry. I will leave it at this though.

    http://deadspin.com/5820878/ryan-howard ... ill-conlin
  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,529
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Gotta do it...sorry. I will leave it at this though.

    http://deadspin.com/5820878/ryan-howard ... ill-conlin

    What I love about the WAR stat the most, and those that choose to totally exclude it, is the eerie similarity to religious freaks not wanting to accept evolution. It's the baseball version of "Inherit The Wind". :lol:
  • PureandEasy
    PureandEasy Posts: 5,818
    Jearlpam0925 wrote:
    Anybody actually read the article yet? Pretty awesome. No, fucking awesome is more like it.

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/ ... /index.htm


    I agree, that was a fucking awesome article. Love Chooch. I'd love to see him do Charlie. :lol:
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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,026
    PureandEasy wrote:
    Jearlpam0925 wrote:
    Anybody actually read the article yet? Pretty awesome. No, fucking awesome is more like it.

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/ ... /index.htm


    I agree, that was a fucking awesome article. Love Chooch. I'd love to see him do Charlie. :lol:

    Say what?
  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,529
    PureandEasy wrote:
    Jearlpam0925 wrote:
    Anybody actually read the article yet? Pretty awesome. No, fucking awesome is more like it.

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/ ... /index.htm


    I agree, that was a fucking awesome article. Love Chooch. I'd love to see him do Charlie. :lol:

    I'd love to see him do anything not baseball-related. I would love to get hammered with that man.

    EDIT: After reading Cliff's response, yes, I mean anything.
  • jamminpearls
    jamminpearls Posts: 7,078
    Jearlpam0925 wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Gotta do it...sorry. I will leave it at this though.

    http://deadspin.com/5820878/ryan-howard ... ill-conlin

    What I love about the WAR stat the most, and those that choose to totally exclude it, is the eerie similarity to religious freaks not wanting to accept evolution. It's the baseball version of "Inherit The Wind". :lol:
    What exactly has the War teams won? If i told ya player A was gonna hit 42hrs and 140rbis,how can any stat prove that's not productive?
    Go Birds!!!!
  • PureandEasy
    PureandEasy Posts: 5,818
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    PureandEasy wrote:
    Jearlpam0925 wrote:
    Anybody actually read the article yet? Pretty awesome. No, fucking awesome is more like it.

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/ ... /index.htm


    I agree, that was a fucking awesome article. Love Chooch. I'd love to see him do Charlie. :lol:

    Say what?


    I knew someone would react like that, but I didn't know how else to phrase it. :lol:
    Don't come closer or I'll have to go
  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,529
    jamminpearls wrote:
    Jearlpam0925 wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Gotta do it...sorry. I will leave it at this though.

    http://deadspin.com/5820878/ryan-howard ... ill-conlin

    What I love about the WAR stat the most, and those that choose to totally exclude it, is the eerie similarity to religious freaks not wanting to accept evolution. It's the baseball version of "Inherit The Wind". :lol:
    What exactly has the War teams won? If i told ya player A was gonna hit 42hrs and 140rbis,how can any stat prove that's not productive?

    Like talking to NASCAR fans.....I swear, I think some people here are of the philly.com commenter/WIP-caller ilk.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,026
    PureandEasy wrote:
    I knew someone would react like that, but I didn't know how else to phrase it. :lol:

    I read it 5 times trying to figure out what you meant and finally got it, only after I posted that.
  • jamminpearls
    jamminpearls Posts: 7,078
    I understand War there pal,what i'm saying is teams/gm's that swear by it how have they done? I sure as hell know Mr Bean hasn't won shit by swearing by it.
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  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,994
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Gotta do it...sorry. I will leave it at this though.

    http://deadspin.com/5820878/ryan-howard ... ill-conlin

    The original article by Bill Conlin (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phi ... ?viewAll=y) sounds like something a Howard fan-boy like me would write in response to The Fixer's criticism.
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  • jamminpearls
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    Ledbetterman10 wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Gotta do it...sorry. I will leave it at this though.

    http://deadspin.com/5820878/ryan-howard ... ill-conlin

    The original article by Bill Conlin (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phi ... ?viewAll=y) sounds like something a Howard fan-boy like me would write in response to The Fixer's criticism.
    Wheter or not Howard made the player get into a spot to score,by doing his job the phillies put a run on the board. I'm sure if you go back there's many of #4 hitters who had alot of chances to knock in RBI's and they can't sniff Howard's production.
    Go Birds!!!!
  • Johnny Abruzzo
    Johnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 12,360
    I loved that Conlin article. By the way, Howard is hitting .317 with RISP this year. In case you're wondering where he got all those ribeyes that don't mean anything.

    I think the WAR people are the brainwashed cult, personally. And I think I've demonstrated that I have a full understanding (as much as one can) of what WAR is.
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  • jamminpearls
    jamminpearls Posts: 7,078
    But i'll also agree that he has flaws that are very frustrating. But the man lost 20-30lbs works hard and produces sorry he's not perfect though.
    Go Birds!!!!
  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,912
    Jearlpam0925 wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Gotta do it...sorry. I will leave it at this though.

    http://deadspin.com/5820878/ryan-howard ... ill-conlin

    What I love about the WAR stat the most, and those that choose to totally exclude it, is the eerie similarity to religious freaks not wanting to accept evolution. It's the baseball version of "Inherit The Wind". :lol:

    on the opposite end of the spectrum are the people who treat WAR like the be-all-end-all. frankly all stats in baseball are a bit suspect because not all situations are the same. big hits in big games and best players on perenial winners are more valuable than great players on bad teams. it's much easier being a great player on a shitty team than a top level player on a 4 time division champion. it just is.

    and i read conlin's original article and why i agree with the premise the contents of the article were pretty much crap. he could have made better arguments than comparing him to a guy from 80 years ago.
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