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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,028
    jamminpearls wrote:
    That makes sense even though i don't think it's all or nothing but were both allowed to have an opinion.

    Absolutely and fair enough. And it's not like I don't understand why you guys like him, I get it, just don't agree.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,028
    jamminpearls wrote:
    Name me your top 5 power hitters in baseball.

    Thing is, that's my point though, all he is is a power hitter. No average, no defense, so so on base %.

    Only offense, power specifically, I would take Pujols, Hamilton, Caberea, Arod (Edit:) Agon over him any day. When considering all aspect of the game, I would add a whole bunch of players to that list.
  • jamminpearls
    jamminpearls Posts: 7,078
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    jamminpearls wrote:
    Name me your top 5 power hitters in baseball.

    Thing is, that's my point though, all he is is a power hitter. No average, no defense, so so on base %.

    Only offense, power specifically, I would take Pujols, Hamilton, Caberea, Arod over him any day. When considering all aspect of the game, I would add a whole bunch of players to that list.

    280 career avg isn't bad,plus he's not as bad as a 1st baseman as people say. Is he great not at all does he suck not at all. Albert's in a diff league then anyone besides him Howards better then u think. He does some things so so and others great. How he affects a lineup dosen't show up just in his stats.
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  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    Johnny Abruzzo wrote:
    Howard carried the team into the 2009 World Series. He just couldn't figure out Damaso Marte. It happens. It's a game of matchups. In 2010 playoffs he was injured - maybe he shouldn't have been playing.

    utley was injured in the 09 WS too. that um, didn't effect him

    if you're hurt, don't play. weak excuse
  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    Johnny Abruzzo wrote:
    dr0ptheleash wrote:
    It's so nice to see Howard's bat making moves. Francisco has been on fire, too. Not sure how long it's going to last, but I'll take it. Also nice to see Chooch making an appearance :D

    By the way, nice to have some new folks on here. First thing you need to do is choose your side in the Great Ten Club Philadelphia Ryan Howard Debate. :lol:

    haha. I agree on both accounts. welcome, and I'd like to apologize in advance
  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    jamminpearls wrote:
    Johnny Abruzzo wrote:
    dr0ptheleash wrote:
    It's so nice to see Howard's bat making moves. Francisco has been on fire, too. Not sure how long it's going to last, but I'll take it. Also nice to see Chooch making an appearance :D

    By the way, nice to have some new folks on here. First thing you need to do is choose your side in the Great Ten Club Philadelphia Ryan Howard Debate. :lol:
    How any Philly sports fan can dislike him is beyond me. Production is not appreciated by all and it blows my mind.

    never said I didn't like the guy. just that he's overrated. only thing I hate is his contract (and his fielding...and baserunning...and ABs vs lefties)
  • Johnny Abruzzo
    Johnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 12,372
    Jearlpam0925 wrote:
    Johnny, wait, why's your sister a Rockies fan?

    She's been out there almost 15 years and was never a big fan at home. Since they're raising kids out there and all they just root for the Denver teams (I don't think they like the Avs). They hooked me up with a ticket to the 98 AFC Champ Game vs. the Jets - Elway's last game at Mile High. That was fun. :D

    I usually get the upper hand in making fun of them in the Phils v Rockies games, which are always entertaining (except for the 2007 debacle, of course).
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  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    jamminpearls wrote:
    Name me your top 5 power hitters in baseball.

    Thing is, that's my point though, all he is is a power hitter. No average, no defense, so so on base %.

    Only offense, power specifically, I would take Pujols, Hamilton, Caberea, Arod (Edit:) Agon over him any day. When considering all aspect of the game, I would add a whole bunch of players to that list.

    howard is a black adam dunn.

    put dunn in the phils lineup and he puts up the same numbers (just a higher OBP). fact
  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    jamminpearls wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    jamminpearls wrote:
    Name me your top 5 power hitters in baseball.

    Thing is, that's my point though, all he is is a power hitter. No average, no defense, so so on base %.

    Only offense, power specifically, I would take Pujols, Hamilton, Caberea, Arod over him any day. When considering all aspect of the game, I would add a whole bunch of players to that list.

    280 career avg isn't bad,plus he's not as bad as a 1st baseman as people say. Is he great not at all does he suck not at all. Albert's in a diff league then anyone besides him Howards better then u think. He does some things so so and others great. How he affects a lineup dosen't show up just in his stats.

    dude, he's a terrible first baseman. only 1b I've ever seen field throws from infielders with two hands.

    anyway, sorry I brought this back up. we've been through all this shit before
  • Johnny Abruzzo
    Johnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 12,372
    The Fixer wrote:
    anyway, sorry I brought this back up. we've been through all this shit before

    I think I brought it up. UGH :roll:

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  • Gary Carter
    Gary Carter Posts: 14,077
    days of our phillies is back in action i see

    i say bring on the howard talk :P




    just wanna say this advance, congrats on taking 2 out of 3 from us
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    Sammi: Wanna just break up?

  • Johnny Abruzzo
    Johnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 12,372
    metsfan wrote:
    just wanna say this advance, congrats on taking 2 out of 3 from us

    Please, that reverse jinx shit isn't gonna work around here. 8-)
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  • Gary Carter
    Gary Carter Posts: 14,077
    Johnny Abruzzo wrote:
    metsfan wrote:
    just wanna say this advance, congrats on taking 2 out of 3 from us

    Please, that reverse jinx shit isn't gonna work around here. 8-)
    i don't do that reverse jinx bull shit, never have and never will. just stating a fact is all. 8-)
    Ron: I just don't feel like going out tonight
    Sammi: Wanna just break up?

  • jamminpearls
    jamminpearls Posts: 7,078
    No one's yelling it's just a good old discussion. Adam Dunn's numbers don't come close to Howard's numbers. Dunn avgs 40 and 99 Howard avgs 47 and 139.
    Go Birds!!!!
  • Gary Carter
    Gary Carter Posts: 14,077
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    Sammi: Wanna just break up?

  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    jamminpearls wrote:
    No one's yelling it's just a good old discussion. Adam Dunn's numbers don't come close to Howard's numbers. Dunn avgs 40 and 99 Howard avgs 47 and 139.

    howard is better than dunn. just saying that if dunn played his career in the phils lineup they would be similar.

    also, howard's MVP year really skews his career avgs. unfortunately, he will never come close to a year like that again.

    halladay is filthy. I feel a rollins HR today
  • jamminpearls
    jamminpearls Posts: 7,078
    The Fixer wrote:
    jamminpearls wrote:
    No one's yelling it's just a good old discussion. Adam Dunn's numbers don't come close to Howard's numbers. Dunn avgs 40 and 99 Howard avgs 47 and 139.

    howard is better than dunn. just saying that if dunn played his career in the phils lineup they would be similar.

    also, howard's MVP year really skews his career avgs. unfortunately, he will never come close to a year like that again.

    halladay is filthy. I feel a rollins HR today
    I feel a R6 bomb :D
    Go Birds!!!!
  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    jamminpearls wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:
    jamminpearls wrote:
    No one's yelling it's just a good old discussion. Adam Dunn's numbers don't come close to Howard's numbers. Dunn avgs 40 and 99 Howard avgs 47 and 139.

    howard is better than dunn. just saying that if dunn played his career in the phils lineup they would be similar.

    also, howard's MVP year really skews his career avgs. unfortunately, he will never come close to a year like that again.

    halladay is filthy. I feel a rollins HR today
    I feel a R6 bomb :D

    you forgot a lefty is starting for the mets
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,597
    The Fixer wrote:
    Johnny Abruzzo wrote:
    Howard carried the team into the 2009 World Series. He just couldn't figure out Damaso Marte. It happens. It's a game of matchups. In 2010 playoffs he was injured - maybe he shouldn't have been playing.

    utley was injured in the 09 WS too. that um, didn't effect him

    if you're hurt, don't play. weak excuse

    for what it's worth it looked like it affected him in the nlcs when he hit .211 and had as many strikeouts as hits. he was obviously an out of this world beast in the world series, but if the r6 wasn't hitting on all cylinders leading up to that point, we may not have even gotten there.


    edit.....oops, we're done with this. :lol:


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  • Johnny Abruzzo
    Johnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 12,372
    The Fixer wrote:
    you forgot a lefty is starting for the mets

    Walk in 2nd. That's a great play, right Mr. WAR?
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