The Phillies have signed their top draft pick, agreeing to terms with supplemental first-rounder Larry Greene, the 39th overall selection in the draft. According to an industry source, Greene received a $1 million bonus, the first reported seven-figure bonus outside the first round. The commissioner’s recommended slot for the 39th pick was $844,200.
The Phillies have signed their top draft pick, agreeing to terms with supplemental first-rounder Larry Greene, the 39th overall selection in the draft. According to an industry source, Greene received a $1 million bonus, the first reported seven-figure bonus outside the first round. The commissioner’s recommended slot for the 39th pick was $844,200.
Awesome! Keep the news coming.
Fuck the slots.
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Astros named the PTBNL in the pence deal. I'm surprised, this guy is the phils 9th best rated prospect by BA. I didn't think it would be this big of a name. I still like the trade for the phils, but they certainly gave up a lot (3 of their top 10 prospects, including the guys ranked 1 and 2).
9. Domingo Santana, of Born: Aug. 5, 1992 • B-T: R-R • Ht: 6-5 • Wt: 200
Signed: Dominican Republic, 2008 • Signed by:
Background: The Phillies don't often give six-figure bonuses to international prospects, but they signed Santana for $330,000 in 2008. Born in the Bahamas and signed out of the Dominican Republic, he wasn't ready to handle low Class A pitching last year as a 17-year-old. His numbers picked up when he went to Williamsport in June, though his inexperience still showed.
Scouting Report: All the pieces are there for Santana to be the player Philadelphia hopes he can be—a power-hitter who plays above-average defense on an outfield corner. He's athletic and physically imposing. Fundamentally sound at the plate, he has a natural load and incredible raw power. He works the center of the field well and doesn't get pull-happy. He'll have to do a better job of recognizing pitches, as he struggles with hard stuff inside and breaking balls away. He has the plus speed and arm strength to be a quality right fielder, though he needs more game repetition to improve defensively.
The Future: When scouts fall in love with his upside and tools, Santana summons Vladimir Guerrero comparisons, but he's still very raw and a lot has to go right for him to reach his ceiling.
Astros named the PTBNL in the pence deal. I'm surprised, this guy is the phils 9th best rated prospect by BA. I didn't think it would be this big of a name. I still like the trade for the phils, but they certainly gave up a lot (3 of their top 10 prospects, including the guys ranked 1 and 2).
Well I think part of running a good farm system isn't just developing guys for your own MLB team, but also having guys who have trade value for immediate moves. And since not every prospect pans out (I'm looking at you Dominick Brown), I think it was worthwhile to give up some prospects to get an established guy like Pence who is still young and could possibly sign a long-term deal in the future.
Astros named the PTBNL in the pence deal. I'm surprised, this guy is the phils 9th best rated prospect by BA. I didn't think it would be this big of a name. I still like the trade for the phils, but they certainly gave up a lot (3 of their top 10 prospects, including the guys ranked 1 and 2).
Well I think part of running a good farm system isn't just developing guys for your own MLB team, but also having guys who have trade value for immediate moves. And since not every prospect pans out (I'm looking at you Dominick Brown), I think it was worthwhile to give up some prospects to get an established guy like Pence who is still young and could possibly sign a long-term deal in the future.
How can anyone consider Brown a bust with a total of 279 major league plate appearances?
Astros named the PTBNL in the pence deal. I'm surprised, this guy is the phils 9th best rated prospect by BA. I didn't think it would be this big of a name. I still like the trade for the phils, but they certainly gave up a lot (3 of their top 10 prospects, including the guys ranked 1 and 2).
Well I think part of running a good farm system isn't just developing guys for your own MLB team, but also having guys who have trade value for immediate moves. And since not every prospect pans out (I'm looking at you Dominick Brown), I think it was worthwhile to give up some prospects to get an established guy like Pence who is still young and could possibly sign a long-term deal in the future.
How can anyone consider Brown a bust with a total of 279 major league plate appearances?
seriously. I'm not convinced the dude will hit in the majors, but he deserves a fair shot.
Also, isnt developing guys for your team and having guys to trade kinda the same thing?
How can anyone consider Brown a bust with a total of 279 major league plate appearances?
seriously. I'm not convinced the dude will hit in the majors, but he deserves a fair shot.
Also, isnt developing guys for your team and having guys to trade kinda the same thing?
WAY too early to call Brown a "bust".
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Article in the Times yesterday, written by the guy that runs Baseball Reference about everyones favorite topic around here.
Link? I'm guessing the article says he sucks.
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Well I think part of running a good farm system isn't just developing guys for your own MLB team, but also having guys who have trade value for immediate moves. And since not every prospect pans out (I'm looking at you Dominick Brown), I think it was worthwhile to give up some prospects to get an established guy like Pence who is still young and could possibly sign a long-term deal in the future.
How can anyone consider Brown a bust with a total of 279 major league plate appearances?
seriously. I'm not convinced the dude will hit in the majors, but he deserves a fair shot.
Also, isnt developing guys for your team and having guys to trade kinda the same thing?
Yeah it is but I'd imagine there are some GMs out there who may consider some prospects as their own pet project and would be hesitant to trade even if it was the right move. Like "Our scout found the guy, we've paid him and developed him, and he's gonna help OUR mlb team." But I guess those are the bad GMs.
As for Brown, yeah I may be jumping the gun on him when I said "he didn't pan out" cause it's a little early to tell. But let's just say that he didn't do much to discourage a trade for Pence over the past few months. Either way, he'll play some sort of role in this march toward the World Series. He'll get a key sac-fly or something when I least expect it.
Article in the Times yesterday, written by the guy that runs Baseball Reference about everyones favorite topic around here.
Link? I'm guessing the article says he sucks.
I was going to refrain but since you asked. Yeah, it pretty much says he sucks. Nothing ground breaking and I actually think there is a nugget in there for you that gives a pretty good argument against WAR.
None of us think he's a perfect player, and everyone agrees he's overpaid. (but not nearly as overpaid as AJ Burnett, Joe Blanton, Brad Lidge, Danys Baez, Alex Rodriguez...) But I just don't think it's the same team without him. And he is hitting over .300 with RISP. He's doing his job. What's his job? Get RBI's. That's just how it is dude, don't know what to tell ya.
Ugh. Here we go. :roll: I say the same thing every time this argument comes up, every 3 days or whatever it is.
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None of us think he's a perfect player, and everyone agrees he's overpaid. (but not nearly as overpaid as AJ Burnett, Joe Blanton, Brad Lidge, Danys Baez, Alex Rodriguez...) But I just don't think it's the same team without him. And he is hitting over .300 with RISP. He's doing his job. What's his job? Get RBI's. That's just how it is dude, don't know what to tell ya.
Ugh. Here we go. :roll: I say the same thing every time this argument comes up, every 3 days or whatever it is.
I'm not getting into it again. I don't completely disagree.
Article in the Times yesterday, written by the guy that runs Baseball Reference about everyones favorite topic around here.
Link? I'm guessing the article says he sucks.
I was going to refrain but since you asked. Yeah, it pretty much says he sucks. Nothing ground breaking and I actually think there is a nugget in there for you that gives a pretty good argument against WAR.
This is not just a recent phenomenon. Since 2006, Howard had 2,815 runners on base, well ahead of the runner-up, Mark Teixeira, with 2,689.
actually 2815 minus 2689 is not a significant difference over a 5-year and 800 game comparison. nice try by this guy but his point is completely and utterly invalid and wrong. By the calculations of games played vs. runners Ryan gets 1 extra runner per 8 GAMES.
Howard 2815 in 886 games = 3.177 per game
Tex 2689 in 882 games = 3.048 per game
Tex's adjusted to match number of games would equal = 2701 runners in 886 games for a difference of 114 runners over 886 games or 1 more per 7.77 games
AND
Ryan has driven in over 27% of those runners (of the 2815 runners Ryan has 775 RBIs for 27.56% of those runners) while Tex has only driven in 24% of his runners (of the 2689 runners Tex has 653 RBIs for 24.28%).
journalism today is not what is used to be. next.....
actually 2815 minus 2689 is not a significant difference over a 5-year and 800 game comparison. nice try by this guy but his point is completely and utterly invalid and wrong. By the calculations of games played vs. runners Ryan gets 1 extra runner per 8 GAMES.
Howard 2815 in 886 games = 3.177 per game
Tex 2689 in 882 games = 3.048 per game
Tex's adjusted to match number of games would equal = 2701 runners in 886 games for a difference of 114 runners over 886 games or 1 more per 7.77 games
AND
Ryan has driven in over 27% of those runners (of the 2815 runners Ryan has 775 RBIs for 27.56% of those runners) while Tex has only driven in 24% of his runners (of the 2689 runners Tex has 653 RBIs for 24.28%).
journalism today is not what is used to be. next.....
It's 25 extra baserunners a year. Point is, he has had the most runners on base of any player over the past 5 years. Not really sure how you can dispute that.
actually 2815 minus 2689 is not a significant difference over a 5-year and 800 game comparison. nice try by this guy but his point is completely and utterly invalid and wrong. By the calculations of games played vs. runners Ryan gets 1 extra runner per 8 GAMES.
Howard 2815 in 886 games = 3.177 per game
Tex 2689 in 882 games = 3.048 per game
Tex's adjusted to match number of games would equal = 2701 runners in 886 games for a difference of 114 runners over 886 games or 1 more per 7.77 games
AND
Ryan has driven in over 27% of those runners (of the 2815 runners Ryan has 775 RBIs for 27.56% of those runners) while Tex has only driven in 24% of his runners (of the 2689 runners Tex has 653 RBIs for 24.28%).
journalism today is not what is used to be. next.....
It's 25 extra baserunners a year. Point is, he has had the most runners on base of any player over the past 5 years. Not really sure how you can dispute that.
did you even read what i posted? the point is that the difference in the number of baserunners is not a significantly statistical difference over 886 games AND even when ADJUSTSED to match number of games and output TEX does not match the numbers Ryan has put up. ryan 27% of runners vs. 24% of runners for Tex. and the only reason tex is used is because that is the only player the author chose to compare. thank you come again....
actually 2815 minus 2689 is not a significant difference over a 5-year and 800 game comparison. nice try by this guy but his point is completely and utterly invalid and wrong. By the calculations of games played vs. runners Ryan gets 1 extra runner per 8 GAMES.
Howard 2815 in 886 games = 3.177 per game
Tex 2689 in 882 games = 3.048 per game
Tex's adjusted to match number of games would equal = 2701 runners in 886 games for a difference of 114 runners over 886 games or 1 more per 7.77 games
AND
Ryan has driven in over 27% of those runners (of the 2815 runners Ryan has 775 RBIs for 27.56% of those runners) while Tex has only driven in 24% of his runners (of the 2689 runners Tex has 653 RBIs for 24.28%).
journalism today is not what is used to be. next.....
It's 25 extra baserunners a year. Point is, he has had the most runners on base of any player over the past 5 years. Not really sure how you can dispute that.
did you even read what i posted? the point is that the difference in the number of baserunners is not a significantly statistical difference over 886 games AND even when ADJUSTSED to match number of games and output TEX does not match the numbers Ryan has put up. and the only reason tex is used is because that is the only player the author chose to compare. thank you come again....
I did read it and repeated what you said in a more logical manner. The reason Tex is used is because he is second in the number of runners he has had on base, not because the author arbitrarily decided to compare the two.
And I am not really sure how that is not stastically significant. Maybe his claim of having a lot more than the second place batter is a bit of a stretch but the fact remains that over a 5 year period he has had more RBI opportunities than any player in baseball.
I did read it and repeated what you said in a more logical manner. The reason Tex is used is because he is second in the number of runners he has had on base, not because the author arbitrarily decided to compare the two.
And I am not really sure how that is not stastically significant. Maybe his claim of having a lot more than the second place batter is a bit of a stretch but the fact remains that over a 5 year period he has had more RBI opportunities than any player in baseball.
one baserunner over 8 games is not a big difference. statistically it's just not. and ryan has driven in 3% more of those runners than the given comparison player (27% vs. 24%). those numbers just prove Ryan has been more productive for those base runners than Tex. and hey i understand some of the arguments used against ryan (even if i don't agree) but i'm just pointing out the how bogus this article is when using just the wholesale numbers of 2815 vs. 2689 runners over 886/882 games.
I did read it and repeated what you said in a more logical manner. The reason Tex is used is because he is second in the number of runners he has had on base, not because the author arbitrarily decided to compare the two.
And I am not really sure how that is not stastically significant. Maybe his claim of having a lot more than the second place batter is a bit of a stretch but the fact remains that over a 5 year period he has had more RBI opportunities than any player in baseball.
one baserunner over 8 games is not a big difference. statistically it's just not. and ryan has driven in 3% more of those runners than the given comparison player (27% vs. 24%). those numbers just prove Ryan has been more productive for those base runners than Tex. and hey i understand some of the arguments used against ryan (even if i don't agree) but i'm just pointing out the how bogus this article is when using just the wholesale numbers of 2815 vs. 2689 runners over 886/882 games.
How is it bogus? Whether you think it's a big number or not, Ryan Howard has had more baserunners on base when he is batting than any player in baseball over a 5 year period, that's the point. He has had more chances to drive runners in than any player in baseball. Has he been more productive in bringing them in than Tex? It seems that way.
Edit: And this is really the last stat in the article you should be bashing. WAR having him as the 7th best player on the Phillies is what you should have an issue with.
Has he been more productive in bringing them in than Tex? It seems that way.
I don't understand what you guys are arguing about. Cliffy sums it up right here. I guess Tex is better defensively (although, esp just watching the 2008 WS, Howard has gotten much better).
WAR having him as the 7th best player on the Phillies is what you should have an issue with.
So? This is a team with Roy Halladay, Cliff Lee, Cole Hamels, Chase Utley and Shane Victorino (who is having a career year). Don't know who the 6th guy is - just guessing here. The 3 pitchers, obviously are very high in WAR in all of baseball. That's how you play to a .655 winning pct. :roll: Utley & Victorino play positions that are more challenged for offense; that's how WAR works.
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Has he been more productive in bringing them in than Tex? It seems that way.
I don't understand what you guys are arguing about. Cliffy sums it up right here. I guess Tex is better defensively (although, esp just watching the 2008 WS, Howard has gotten much better).
WAR having him as the 7th best player on the Phillies is what you should have an issue with.
So? This is a team with Roy Halladay, Cliff Lee, Cole Hamels, Chase Utley and Shane Victorino (who is having a career year). Don't know who the 6th guy is - just guessing here. The 3 pitchers, obviously are very high in WAR in all of baseball. That's how you play to a .655 winning pct. :roll: Utley & Victorino play positions that are more challenged for offense; that's how WAR works.
Either do I. As I always say, they have similar offensive numbers. I would personally take Tex over Howard because he brings more to the game, his defense is awesome, regardless of what UZR says and he is a switch hitter. I also think he is a much tougher out, although perhaps not this year.
Yeah, I don't know about that, using WAR to compare pitchers to hitters is strange to me. Fangraphs has Victorino, Rollins, Utley, Polanco and Ruiz ahead of him in WAR.
Has he been more productive in bringing them in than Tex? It seems that way.
I don't understand what you guys are arguing about. Cliffy sums it up right here. I guess Tex is better defensively (although, esp just watching the 2008 WS, Howard has gotten much better).
WAR having him as the 7th best player on the Phillies is what you should have an issue with.
So? This is a team with Roy Halladay, Cliff Lee, Cole Hamels, Chase Utley and Shane Victorino (who is having a career year). Don't know who the 6th guy is - just guessing here. The 3 pitchers, obviously are very high in WAR in all of baseball. That's how you play to a .655 winning pct. :roll: Utley & Victorino play positions that are more challenged for offense; that's how WAR works.
i'm not arguing at all just disputing the validity of the article given the statistics used to compare the 2 players. saying player A has had more baserunners but not comparing the actual percentage of what is done with those baserunners is flawed logic.
As for Brown, yeah I may be jumping the gun on him when I said "he didn't pan out" cause it's a little early to tell. But let's just say that he didn't do much to discourage a trade for Pence over the past few months. Either way, he'll play some sort of role in this march toward the World Series. He'll get a key sac-fly or something when I least expect it.
I don't know if he will be on the playoff roster. He's gonna be the starting LF next year though
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I don't understand what you guys are arguing about. Cliffy sums it up right here. I guess Tex is better defensively (although, esp just watching the 2008 WS, Howard has gotten much better)
This is the understatement of the year. Better and good are two very different things. He's still horrible in the field.
I don't want to get sucked into this again...my issues with howard are his contract (which he can't control) and his decrease in productivity (especially in the playoffs). Main issue is the return on the phils investment, which I don't think comes close to justifying his outrageous contract (which hasn't even fucking started yet...christ that is awful)
These debates always seem to come up during off days.
These debates always seem to come up during off days.
They shouldn't get days off.
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As for Brown, yeah I may be jumping the gun on him when I said "he didn't pan out" cause it's a little early to tell. But let's just say that he didn't do much to discourage a trade for Pence over the past few months. Either way, he'll play some sort of role in this march toward the World Series. He'll get a key sac-fly or something when I least expect it.
I don't know if he will be on the playoff roster. He's gonna be the starting LF next year though
One of my friends just texted me that eskin is out at 610. That is great news. I don't EVER listen to that station, but that kind of news is something that would convince me to give that station another shot
word is too that WIP is going to take over WYSPs FM slot on the dial to try and compete with 97.5 as well.
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don't even know what that means
not that anyone in this thead cares, but signing day is midnight tomorrow. should be a lot of phils-related news coming in the next 36 hours
Rainout today, off tomorrow. Withdrawl setting in already.
connestoga's own...
i played legion ball with this kid back in the mid 90's. he was a catcher back then.
these 2 days off come at a great time for this team.
The Phillies have signed their top draft pick, agreeing to terms with supplemental first-rounder Larry Greene, the 39th overall selection in the draft. According to an industry source, Greene received a $1 million bonus, the first reported seven-figure bonus outside the first round. The commissioner’s recommended slot for the 39th pick was $844,200.
Awesome! Keep the news coming.
Fuck the slots.
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9. Domingo Santana, of Born: Aug. 5, 1992 • B-T: R-R • Ht: 6-5 • Wt: 200
Signed: Dominican Republic, 2008 • Signed by:
Background: The Phillies don't often give six-figure bonuses to international prospects, but they signed Santana for $330,000 in 2008. Born in the Bahamas and signed out of the Dominican Republic, he wasn't ready to handle low Class A pitching last year as a 17-year-old. His numbers picked up when he went to Williamsport in June, though his inexperience still showed.
Scouting Report: All the pieces are there for Santana to be the player Philadelphia hopes he can be—a power-hitter who plays above-average defense on an outfield corner. He's athletic and physically imposing. Fundamentally sound at the plate, he has a natural load and incredible raw power. He works the center of the field well and doesn't get pull-happy. He'll have to do a better job of recognizing pitches, as he struggles with hard stuff inside and breaking balls away. He has the plus speed and arm strength to be a quality right fielder, though he needs more game repetition to improve defensively.
The Future: When scouts fall in love with his upside and tools, Santana summons Vladimir Guerrero comparisons, but he's still very raw and a lot has to go right for him to reach his ceiling.
Well I think part of running a good farm system isn't just developing guys for your own MLB team, but also having guys who have trade value for immediate moves. And since not every prospect pans out (I'm looking at you Dominick Brown), I think it was worthwhile to give up some prospects to get an established guy like Pence who is still young and could possibly sign a long-term deal in the future.
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How can anyone consider Brown a bust with a total of 279 major league plate appearances?
seriously. I'm not convinced the dude will hit in the majors, but he deserves a fair shot.
Also, isnt developing guys for your team and having guys to trade kinda the same thing?
WAY too early to call Brown a "bust".
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Link? I'm guessing the article says he sucks.
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Yeah it is but I'd imagine there are some GMs out there who may consider some prospects as their own pet project and would be hesitant to trade even if it was the right move. Like "Our scout found the guy, we've paid him and developed him, and he's gonna help OUR mlb team." But I guess those are the bad GMs.
As for Brown, yeah I may be jumping the gun on him when I said "he didn't pan out" cause it's a little early to tell. But let's just say that he didn't do much to discourage a trade for Pence over the past few months. Either way, he'll play some sort of role in this march toward the World Series. He'll get a key sac-fly or something when I least expect it.
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I was going to refrain but since you asked. Yeah, it pretty much says he sucks. Nothing ground breaking and I actually think there is a nugget in there for you that gives a pretty good argument against WAR.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/14/sport ... .html?_r=1
I did enjoy this stat though.
This is not just a recent phenomenon. Since 2006, Howard had 2,815 runners on base, well ahead of the runner-up, Mark Teixeira, with 2,689.
Ugh. Here we go. :roll: I say the same thing every time this argument comes up, every 3 days or whatever it is.
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I'm not getting into it again. I don't completely disagree.
actually 2815 minus 2689 is not a significant difference over a 5-year and 800 game comparison. nice try by this guy but his point is completely and utterly invalid and wrong. By the calculations of games played vs. runners Ryan gets 1 extra runner per 8 GAMES.
Howard 2815 in 886 games = 3.177 per game
Tex 2689 in 882 games = 3.048 per game
Tex's adjusted to match number of games would equal = 2701 runners in 886 games for a difference of 114 runners over 886 games or 1 more per 7.77 games
AND
Ryan has driven in over 27% of those runners (of the 2815 runners Ryan has 775 RBIs for 27.56% of those runners) while Tex has only driven in 24% of his runners (of the 2689 runners Tex has 653 RBIs for 24.28%).
journalism today is not what is used to be. next.....
It's 25 extra baserunners a year. Point is, he has had the most runners on base of any player over the past 5 years. Not really sure how you can dispute that.
did you even read what i posted? the point is that the difference in the number of baserunners is not a significantly statistical difference over 886 games AND even when ADJUSTSED to match number of games and output TEX does not match the numbers Ryan has put up. ryan 27% of runners vs. 24% of runners for Tex. and the only reason tex is used is because that is the only player the author chose to compare. thank you come again....
I did read it and repeated what you said in a more logical manner. The reason Tex is used is because he is second in the number of runners he has had on base, not because the author arbitrarily decided to compare the two.
And I am not really sure how that is not stastically significant. Maybe his claim of having a lot more than the second place batter is a bit of a stretch but the fact remains that over a 5 year period he has had more RBI opportunities than any player in baseball.
one baserunner over 8 games is not a big difference. statistically it's just not. and ryan has driven in 3% more of those runners than the given comparison player (27% vs. 24%). those numbers just prove Ryan has been more productive for those base runners than Tex. and hey i understand some of the arguments used against ryan (even if i don't agree) but i'm just pointing out the how bogus this article is when using just the wholesale numbers of 2815 vs. 2689 runners over 886/882 games.
How is it bogus? Whether you think it's a big number or not, Ryan Howard has had more baserunners on base when he is batting than any player in baseball over a 5 year period, that's the point. He has had more chances to drive runners in than any player in baseball. Has he been more productive in bringing them in than Tex? It seems that way.
Edit: And this is really the last stat in the article you should be bashing. WAR having him as the 7th best player on the Phillies is what you should have an issue with.
Really done this time.
I don't understand what you guys are arguing about. Cliffy sums it up right here. I guess Tex is better defensively (although, esp just watching the 2008 WS, Howard has gotten much better).
So? This is a team with Roy Halladay, Cliff Lee, Cole Hamels, Chase Utley and Shane Victorino (who is having a career year). Don't know who the 6th guy is - just guessing here. The 3 pitchers, obviously are very high in WAR in all of baseball. That's how you play to a .655 winning pct. :roll: Utley & Victorino play positions that are more challenged for offense; that's how WAR works.
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Either do I. As I always say, they have similar offensive numbers. I would personally take Tex over Howard because he brings more to the game, his defense is awesome, regardless of what UZR says and he is a switch hitter. I also think he is a much tougher out, although perhaps not this year.
Yeah, I don't know about that, using WAR to compare pitchers to hitters is strange to me. Fangraphs has Victorino, Rollins, Utley, Polanco and Ruiz ahead of him in WAR.
i'm not arguing at all just disputing the validity of the article given the statistics used to compare the 2 players. saying player A has had more baserunners but not comparing the actual percentage of what is done with those baserunners is flawed logic.
I don't know if he will be on the playoff roster. He's gonna be the starting LF next year though
One of my friends just texted me that eskin is out at 610. That is great news. I don't EVER listen to that station, but that kind of news is something that would convince me to give that station another shot
This is the understatement of the year. Better and good are two very different things. He's still horrible in the field.
I don't want to get sucked into this again...my issues with howard are his contract (which he can't control) and his decrease in productivity (especially in the playoffs). Main issue is the return on the phils investment, which I don't think comes close to justifying his outrageous contract (which hasn't even fucking started yet...christ that is awful)
These debates always seem to come up during off days.
They shouldn't get days off.
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