***The Official Philadelphia Phillies 2012 Thread***

Johnny Abruzzo

The Fixer wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

the DL move is the smart one. call me crazy, but I think gload will be fine at first while howard is out. he can't be any worse than howard was last week (4-27, 15 k's).

by my count howard will miss 12 games. I say the phils go 8-4 without him

consider yourself crazy.


luckily we dont have to face josh johnson this week.

let's hope for a complete game shut out tonight boys. gonna be a rough ride.

as long as we're in shouting distance of the braves come 9/1, we'll be fine.

here it is. it's fun being right

Let's put this in a little bit on context. Gload got injured, and we traded for Mike Sweeney, since Seattle felt bad about the Lee trade. Most would expect little dropoff from Howard to a Gload/Sweeney platoon.

The Fixer

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

Most would expect little dropoff from Howard to a Gload/Sweeney platoon.

not in this thread where howard is compared to babe ruth

pjhawks

The Fixer wrote:

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

Most would expect little dropoff from Howard to a Gload/Sweeney platoon.

not in this thread where howard is compared to babe ruth

why don't you give us their record without Utley as well? maybe because it doesn't help your point at all?

The Fixer

pjhawks wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

Most would expect little dropoff from Howard to a Gload/Sweeney platoon.

not in this thread where howard is compared to babe ruth

why don't you give us their record without Utley as well? maybe because it doesn't help your point at all?

I never made any predictions about W-L record without their best player.

Johnny Abruzzo

Well, whatever the case, I can't wait to get back our TWO BEST PLAYERS (position players at least) this week. And now with a somewhat fortified bench and, hopefully, at least a competent back-end of the bullpen.

Also, Jimmy said his ankle was feeling better, and to show us insisted on stealing 3rd with 2 outs yesterday. Whatever - make it happen Jimmy! What's the usual winning pct with him scoring a run - about .900?

Did anyone else have a heartattack when they saw GNC Man warming up in the 8th last night?

anything to stear away from this endless R6 debate

pjhawks

The Fixer wrote:

I never made any predictions about W-L record without their best player.

never said you did but if you are going to try and use record without Howard to disparage him it would be hyprocritcal not to do the same for Utley. Frankly to me the records without those two have no baring on how good or bad those 2 are in my mind. just trying to keep you fair to both parties, not just bashing one as you are known to do.

pjhawks

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

Well, whatever the case, I can't wait to get back our TWO BEST PLAYERS (position players at least) this week. And now with a somewhat fortified bench and, hopefully, at least a competent back-end of the bullpen.

Also, Jimmy said his ankle was feeling better, and to show us insisted on stealing 3rd with 2 outs yesterday. Whatever - make it happen Jimmy! What's the usual winning pct with him scoring a run - about .900?

Did anyone else have a heartattack when they saw GNC Man warming up in the 8th last night?

anything to stear away from this endless R6 debate

agree on seeing Romero warming up. actually thought Charlie might be dumb enough to put him in to start the 9th since the Mets had 3 lefties coming up.

was also a bit scared when Polanco got plunked. that didn't look good. even without it being on the elbow getting hit on hand/knuckles like that can be bad news.

Johnny Abruzzo

pjhawks wrote:

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

Well, whatever the case, I can't wait to get back our TWO BEST PLAYERS (position players at least) this week. And now with a somewhat fortified bench and, hopefully, at least a competent back-end of the bullpen.

Also, Jimmy said his ankle was feeling better, and to show us insisted on stealing 3rd with 2 outs yesterday. Whatever - make it happen Jimmy! What's the usual winning pct with him scoring a run - about .900?

Did anyone else have a heartattack when they saw GNC Man warming up in the 8th last night?

anything to stear away from this endless R6 debate

agree on seeing Romero warming up. actually thought Charlie might be dumb enough to put him in to start the 9th since the Mets had 3 lefties coming up.

was also a bit scared when Polanco got plunked. that didn't look good. even without it being on the elbow getting hit on hand/knuckles like that can be bad news.

The Polly thing looked disastrous. Thankfully he was ok.

The Fixer

pjhawks wrote:

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

Well, whatever the case, I can't wait to get back our TWO BEST PLAYERS (position players at least) this week. And now with a somewhat fortified bench and, hopefully, at least a competent back-end of the bullpen.

Also, Jimmy said his ankle was feeling better, and to show us insisted on stealing 3rd with 2 outs yesterday. Whatever - make it happen Jimmy! What's the usual winning pct with him scoring a run - about .900?

Did anyone else have a heartattack when they saw GNC Man warming up in the 8th last night?

anything to stear away from this endless R6 debate

agree on seeing Romero warming up. actually thought Charlie might be dumb enough to put him in to start the 9th since the Mets had 3 lefties coming up.

was also a bit scared when Polanco got plunked. that didn't look good. even without it being on the elbow getting hit on hand/knuckles like that can be bad news.

yeah, hopefully they can find a LOOGY on the waiver wire. I have zero confidence in romero or the bastard.

romero has a club option for 4.5 million next year. that should be declined the minute after the 2010 season ends

The Juggler

pjhawks wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

Most would expect little dropoff from Howard to a Gload/Sweeney platoon.

not in this thread where howard is compared to babe ruth

why don't you give us their record without Utley as well? maybe because it doesn't help your point at all?

of course that is why.

incidentally i think it is something like 24-13 or so. we've played close to .650 baseball for a prolonged period of time without utley and are 9-3 without the r6 for a couple weeks or so.

and, we're leading the wild card right now.

this team never ceases to amaze me. let's keep it going.

GO PHILS.

The Fixer

The Jeagler wrote:

of course that is why.

incidentally i think it is something like 24-13 or so. we've played close to .650 baseball for a prolonged period of time without utley and are 9-3 without the r6 for a couple weeks or so.

and, we're leading the wild card right now.

this team never ceases to amaze me. let's keep it going.

GO PHILS.

I'm not going for the bait. The howard debate is old. everyone here knows where I stand. I said they wouldn't miss him and they haven't.

now hopefully they can get some of these high school guys signed. come on scott frazier...you don't want to go to school at pepperdine. clearwater is much nicer than malibu

The Juggler

The Fixer wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

of course that is why.

incidentally i think it is something like 24-13 or so. we've played close to .650 baseball for a prolonged period of time without utley and are 9-3 without the r6 for a couple weeks or so.

and, we're leading the wild card right now.

this team never ceases to amaze me. let's keep it going.

GO PHILS.

I'm not going for the bait. The howard debate is old. everyone here knows where I stand. I said they wouldn't miss him and they haven't.

what bait? we've played close to .650 ball without utley for a month and a half and have won 9 games in two weeks without howard. no bait. just facts.

The Fixer

doesn't seem like anyone else cares about the draft picks, but the phils have signed 20th rounder Kevin Walter, RHP to an overslot deal. This is good shit. hopefully frazier signs before the deadline

Johnny Abruzzo

The Fixer wrote:

doesn't seem like anyone else cares about the draft picks, but the phils have signed 20th rounder Kevin Walter, RHP to an overslot deal. This is good shit. hopefully frazier signs before the deadline

I care. It's just a lot to keep track of. Thanks for taking care of that for me.

Is this the last year that teams can sign players to overslot deals???

The Fixer

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

doesn't seem like anyone else cares about the draft picks, but the phils have signed 20th rounder Kevin Walter, RHP to an overslot deal. This is good shit. hopefully frazier signs before the deadline

I care. It's just a lot to keep track of. Thanks for taking care of that for me.

Is this the last year that teams can sign players to overslot deals???

there is speculation that the slotting system will be hard slotted in the next bargaining agreement. not sure when that would go into effect.

phils not expected to sign frazier. he wants a million bucks and they're not willing to go that high. they gave all their money to howard.

braves just erased a 2 run deficit in the 9th and walked off. mother fucker

The Fixer

nice summary of the phils draft here. next year's draft is supposed to be loaded and the phils are in good shape. Assuming they don't sign any big name free agents (a reasonable assumption since they already have a ton of money committed for 2011), they will have all of their top picks, as well as a supplemental pick or two for werth leaving.


http://phuturephillies.com/2010/08/16/2 ... t-wrap-up/

Jearlpam0925

These fucking Braves just won't lose. Die already!

Johnny Abruzzo

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

These fucking Braves just won't lose. Die already!

How could the Dodgers do this to us? After all we've done for them these past couple years. :P

Looks like a fun game tonight - Oswalt, Utley, Burrell, Rowand - nice.

The Juggler

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

These fucking Braves just won't lose. Die already!

How could the Dodgers do this to us? After all we've done for them these past couple years. :P

Looks like a fun game tonight - Oswalt, Utley, Burrell, Rowand - nice.

gonna have a late september feel to this series. can't wait to get down there tomorrow...even if fat joe's on the mound.

Johnny Abruzzo

The Fixer wrote:

nice summary of the phils draft here. next year's draft is supposed to be loaded and the phils are in good shape. Assuming they don't sign any big name free agents (a reasonable assumption since they already have a ton of money committed for 2011), they will have all of their top picks, as well as a supplemental pick or two for werth leaving.


http://phuturephillies.com/2010/08/16/2 ... t-wrap-up/

Sounds like Phils had a pretty good draft, but not spectacular. It's just so far away that we'll see these players.

I wonder if it's a curse to get the #1 pick, like the Nats. You've got $10-$15M tied up in players who might not pan out. Doesn't leave much room in the budget for later-round overslot picks.

By the way, what the hell are the Phils going to do with Rizzotti? Is this a case of having a guy with high value that you can't do anything with?