***The Official Philadelphia Phillies 2012 Thread***

Gary Carter

The Jeagler wrote:

metsfan wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

so to sum up: the metsfan confused a 22 year old, recent college graduate, for........... the general manager of the new york mets. :?

constant entertainment. that's what you get around here people.

well the dude apparently has way to much on his hands then and knows way to much bout the mets and sabermetrics. i think need to hand in my metsfan name on here.

change it to astromets. if you can't beat him......BECOME HIM.

i'd rather pass on copying someones name whose balls deep into the mets and sabermetrics and probably plays D&D

neilybabes86

BASEBALL TALK WENT SOUTH IN THIS THREAD

The Juggler

good to have polly back today...

The Fixer

The Jeagler wrote:

good to have polly back today...

Big win today but everyone in the lineup except howard is a disaster right now. I think victorino,werth, and ibanez have a bet to see who can suck the most

jamminpearls

The Fixer wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

good to have polly back today...

Big win today but everyone in the lineup except howard is a disaster right now. I think victorino,werth, and ibanez have a bet to see who can suck the most

:shock: :P Did i read what i think i did.

The Fixer

jamminpearls wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

good to have polly back today...

Big win today but everyone in the lineup except howard is a disaster right now. I think victorino,werth, and ibanez have a bet to see who can suck the most

:shock: :P Did i read what i think i did.

Knew that was coming. The phils are a mess. Howard is the only one hitting at all right now. Don't hate him, just his contract

jamminpearls

The best thing about today was another strong outing by Hamels. Howard might really go on a streak with the fixer now backing him,as the Jeagler says ALL ABOARD

The Juggler

The Fixer wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

good to have polly back today...

Big win today but everyone in the lineup except howard is a disaster right now. I think victorino,werth, and ibanez have a bet to see who can suck the most

they said werth hasn't had a hit with 2 outs and runners in scoring position since mid may. MID MAY.

The Juggler

hopefully the braves lose tonight...we'll be right where we were at the break.

must win tomorrow night.

here's an early happy halladays to everyone! :wave:

now i'm gonna go grill the shit out of these strips. beer, in tow...

eeriepadave

nice win, cole has pitched very well the last 3 games. Hoping they win tomorrow for the split at least.

The Fixer

The Jeagler wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

good to have polly back today...

Big win today but everyone in the lineup except howard is a disaster right now. I think victorino,werth, and ibanez have a bet to see who can suck the most

they said werth hasn't had a hit with 2 outs and runners in scoring position since mid may. MID MAY.

when was the last time he went deep? april? he's been horrendous. he needs to cut his hair and shave. if he stops looking like a gay maybe it will turn his luck around.

this team needs to get their asses in gear. gonna be next to impossible to get the wild card over cincy/STL since they play in that joke of a division. need to overtake atlanta

jamminpearls

There's no doubt this team needs something to get them kick started. I truly think a major trade like a Werth might actually make this team better. It could have a Abreu like impact,even though Werths not a club house problem. The kick start could come from a Domonic brown who could give this team some hunger and get them going in the right direction. Trade Werth for a decent reliever and a prospect or two,then call up Brown. Inless u can find someone dumb enough to take Raul but that seems highly unlikely. We need to get some sort of momentum before getting Ultey back. Him alone imo wont be enough to get us over the hump inless he comes back way way early. Anyway Doc's on the hill tonight so at least we should split this series tonight.

The Fixer

jamminpearls wrote:

There's no doubt this team needs something to get them kick started. I truly think a major trade like a Werth might actually make this team better. It could have a Abreu like impact,even though Werths not a club house problem. The kick start could come from a Domonic brown who could give this team some hunger and get them going in the right direction. Trade Werth for a decent reliever and a prospect or two,then call up Brown. Inless u can find someone dumb enough to take Raul but that seems highly unlikely. We need to get some sort of momentum before getting Ultey back. Him alone imo wont be enough to get us over the hump inless he comes back way way early. Anyway Doc's on the hill tonight so at least we should split this series tonight.

I am torn about trading werth. I think they would get more than just a reliever and prospects back. I'd hope they got a SP to go along with prospects. Regardless, they are probably better off for this year keeping werth. He just needs to play better. If they offer him arbitration at the end of the season he will probably decline and choose free agency...which could end up helping the phils because they should get a 1st round pick and supplemental draft pick. the 2011 draft class is rated as one of the best in the last 25 years.

I would consider firing manuel. I've never been a big fan. He gets along well with the players, but strategically he is among the worst managers in MLB. Firing him would light a fire under the players' asses. Will never happen though, the phils are loyal to a fault

jamminpearls

The Fixer wrote:

jamminpearls wrote:

There's no doubt this team needs something to get them kick started. I truly think a major trade like a Werth might actually make this team better. It could have a Abreu like impact,even though Werths not a club house problem. The kick start could come from a Domonic brown who could give this team some hunger and get them going in the right direction. Trade Werth for a decent reliever and a prospect or two,then call up Brown. Inless u can find someone dumb enough to take Raul but that seems highly unlikely. We need to get some sort of momentum before getting Ultey back. Him alone imo wont be enough to get us over the hump inless he comes back way way early. Anyway Doc's on the hill tonight so at least we should split this series tonight.

I am torn about trading werth. I think they would get more than just a reliever and prospects back. I'd hope they got a SP to go along with prospects. Regardless, they are probably better off for this year keeping werth. He just needs to play better. If they offer him arbitration at the end of the season he will probably decline and choose free agency...which could end up helping the phils because they should get a 1st round pick and supplemental draft pick. the 2011 draft class is rated as one of the best in the last 25 years.

I would consider firing manuel. I've never been a big fan. He gets along well with the players, but strategically he is among the worst managers in MLB. Firing him would light a fire under the players' asses. Will never happen though, the phils are loyal to a fault

I only say trading him cause Brown would be so damn hungry that it could show these guys what its like to want something again. I understand that it could also got the other way and make them think well managtment has given up on this season so why shouldn't we. With happ coming back thats almost like a trade imo,thats why i said a good releiver and prospects. I don't see amaro taking on any big salaries for pitching but i could be wrong. As for firing manuel i agree he's not a very good manager but u can't fire him he's done too much good to be fired because of a so-so season. Talk about sending a team in a bad tail spin firing charlie would do it.

The Fixer

happ isn't helping the phils this year. he isn't that good when he's healthy and he's obviously still hurt (as evidenced by his minor league starts). losing manuel wouldn't hurt this team...they win in spite of him, not because of him


Talks between the Phillies and Orioles regarding infielders Ty Wigginton and Miguel Tejada are currently dead, a source told Jeff Zrebiec of The Baltimore Sun. Yesterday it was reported that the Phillies have been talking to Baltimore about Wigginton for weeks and might also be interested in Tejada, who could have been a short-term solution at third base.

For now, it seems that the defending National League champs are content with leaving Placido Polanco at third base and Wilson Valdez at second until Chase Utley returns to the fold. However, Zrebiec notes that this could all change before the deadline, especially if the O's reduce their asking price for Wigginton.

jamminpearls

The Fixer wrote:

happ isn't helping the phils this year. he isn't that good when he's healthy and he's obviously still hurt (as evidenced by his minor league starts). losing manuel wouldn't hurt this team...they win in spite of him, not because of him


Talks between the Phillies and Orioles regarding infielders Ty Wigginton and Miguel Tejada are currently dead, a source told Jeff Zrebiec of The Baltimore Sun. Yesterday it was reported that the Phillies have been talking to Baltimore about Wigginton for weeks and might also be interested in Tejada, who could have been a short-term solution at third base.

For now, it seems that the defending National League champs are content with leaving Placido Polanco at third base and Wilson Valdez at second until Chase Utley returns to the fold. However, Zrebiec notes that this could all change before the deadline, especially if the O's reduce their asking price for Wigginton.

Happ actually looked good in his last start,throwing between 92-95mph while striking out 7. I think when healthy happ is a number 3 pitcher and think he could help us out bigtime in aug/sept if healthy. Losing a manager who managed you to a world series title and back there the following year would kill moral like no other. There's no way u can truly think it wouldn't,they love Charlie and respect him greatly. There's a reason why u never here anything bad from his players about his decesions,they have too much respect for him.

The Fixer

jamminpearls wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

happ isn't helping the phils this year. he isn't that good when he's healthy and he's obviously still hurt (as evidenced by his minor league starts). losing manuel wouldn't hurt this team...they win in spite of him, not because of him


Talks between the Phillies and Orioles regarding infielders Ty Wigginton and Miguel Tejada are currently dead, a source told Jeff Zrebiec of The Baltimore Sun. Yesterday it was reported that the Phillies have been talking to Baltimore about Wigginton for weeks and might also be interested in Tejada, who could have been a short-term solution at third base.

For now, it seems that the defending National League champs are content with leaving Placido Polanco at third base and Wilson Valdez at second until Chase Utley returns to the fold. However, Zrebiec notes that this could all change before the deadline, especially if the O's reduce their asking price for Wigginton.

Happ actually looked good in his last start,throwing between 92-95mph while striking out 7. I think when healthy happ is a number 3 pitcher and think he could help us out bigtime in aug/sept if healthy. Losing a manager who managed you to a world series title and back there the following year would kill moral like no other. There's no way u can truly think it wouldn't,they love Charlie and respect him greatly. There's a reason why u never here anything bad from his players about his decesions,they have too much respect for him.

happ has never touched 95 in his life. he's an average pitcher who's not much of an upgrade from their current starters

changing managers can be the best way to kick start a team. like colorado last year. manuel blows as a manager. I'd love to see someone like showalter in here. he's a no nonsense dude that wouldn't tolerate the mental mistakes have consistently made this year (guys taking extra bases at the wrong times, stealing in stupid situations, forgetting to cover bases...and those are just from yesterday). That kind of stuff is on the manager.

jamminpearls

The Fixer wrote:

jamminpearls wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

happ isn't helping the phils this year. he isn't that good when he's healthy and he's obviously still hurt (as evidenced by his minor league starts). losing manuel wouldn't hurt this team...they win in spite of him, not because of him


Talks between the Phillies and Orioles regarding infielders Ty Wigginton and Miguel Tejada are currently dead, a source told Jeff Zrebiec of The Baltimore Sun. Yesterday it was reported that the Phillies have been talking to Baltimore about Wigginton for weeks and might also be interested in Tejada, who could have been a short-term solution at third base.

For now, it seems that the defending National League champs are content with leaving Placido Polanco at third base and Wilson Valdez at second until Chase Utley returns to the fold. However, Zrebiec notes that this could all change before the deadline, especially if the O's reduce their asking price for Wigginton.

Happ actually looked good in his last start,throwing between 92-95mph while striking out 7. I think when healthy happ is a number 3 pitcher and think he could help us out bigtime in aug/sept if healthy. Losing a manager who managed you to a world series title and back there the following year would kill moral like no other. There's no way u can truly think it wouldn't,they love Charlie and respect him greatly. There's a reason why u never here anything bad from his players about his decesions,they have too much respect for him.

happ has never touched 95 in his life. he's an average pitcher who's not much of an upgrade from their current starters

changing managers can be the best way to kick start a team. like colorado last year. manuel blows as a manager. I'd love to see someone like showalter in here. he's a no nonsense dude that wouldn't tolerate the mental mistakes have consistently made this year (guys taking extra bases at the wrong times, stealing in stupid situations, forgetting to cover bases...and those are just from yesterday). That kind of stuff is on the manager.

Go thru and read Happ hit 95 in his last start. I once again disagree with you but thats nothing new,i think Happ is a solid pitcher and will help us during the stretch run. And firing a manager who has the teams respect is about the worst thing any gm could do,especially when the team is 4.5 games out of 1st place and have had many many key injuries. Makes absoutely no sense at all imo, they play better for a manuel type mananger instead of a bowa type. I agree that manuel isn't a very good manager but for some reason the boys love playing for him.

Jearlpam0925

Happ doesn't throw 95. He tops out at 92 at best, and consistently stays around 89/90. He's a decent pitcher, but the last thing I heard is that his injury is going to be ongoing things and the Phils could see him being shut down for the season. I'll believe Happ throws 95 when I see it with I own eyes.

jamminpearls

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

Happ doesn't throw 95. He tops out at 92 at best, and consistently stays around 89/90. He's a decent pitcher, but the last thing I heard is that his injury is going to be ongoing things and the Phils could see him being shut down for the season. I'll believe Happ throws 95 when I see it with I own eyes.

J.A. Happ-S- Phillies Jul. 17 - 9:01 am et

Phillies GM Ruben Amaro Jr. said he "absolutely" was still counting on J.A. Happ to help the team this year.

The southpaw has been sidelined since mid-April with a sore elbow that led to a significant decrease in velocity. The results from his rehab outings weren't very good, so the team optioned him to Triple-A until he was ready. The Phils were impressed with what it saw on Thursday in Happ's most recent outing. "He started out a little tentative and then threw the [heck] out of it the last two innings," said Amaro, who added that Happ's velocity sat between 92-95 mph. "That was a good sign."
Source: Philadelphia Inquirer
there ya go................