***The Official Philadelphia Phillies 2012 Thread***

The Fixer

The Jeagler wrote:

jamminpearls wrote:

Way to start the 2nd half of the season Ryan Howard you over paid bum!!!!!!! The hater and his friends will still find some dumb stats or sabermatics to complain about. Oh wait i didnt mean that seriously no hard feelings. i wasnt talkn about anyone in general. I love people who talk shit yet dont have the balls to admit the truth when they call a real fan a name.

alright simmer down now....that was a monster game by the R6. helluva stretch on that rollins throw too...i said the other day that he might be at the beginning of one of his hot homer streaks. now its 4 in the last 6 games. he loves hitting in chi town and st louis coming up too....hopefully this continues.

too bad chuck used 20 pitchers last night. i don't think we'll need any of them to be fresh with fat joe on the mound tonight. :roll:

seriously, what the hell was that about? you get down big early and then bring in a different pitcher each inning? when it was 6-2 and kendrick came in and didn't allow a run, i don't see why he didn't stay in. you're skipping his start anyway. let him try to hold them to 6, let the offense come back, and rest your other bullpen arms. that wasn't game 7 of the world series chuck.....turns out we get 6 anyway but the stupid bullpen gives up another 6 runs.

WTF.

moyer had no business starting last night. manuel is still awful

they really need to make a trade...moyer stinks

The Fixer

pjhawks wrote:

Buster Olney said last night that the Brewers are looking to trade Prince Fielder because he is a free agent and is going to want AT LEAST what Ryan Howard received (and Scott Boras is his agent) . As I said when the contract was signed by Howard signing him early SET the market instead of following the market. so if all these 1st basemen who are free agents over the next 2 years sign for more than Howard than the contract might just not be as horrible as people like the Fixer believe and in essence could be a bargain 3 or 4 years down the road. just saying.

and agree with Jaegs - no sense Charlie using so many pitchers last night. Didn't understand using Herndon for one inning then pinch hitting for him and bringing in Kendrick. And what is the fasication with Herndon? I know he is rule 5 and have to keep him all year but i don't really see his value in keeping him. I think Figueroa was better than Herndon. I don't see Herndon being a long term guy here anyway so what is the sense of keepign him around?

fielder is entering his prime (he's only 26). howard gives diminshing returns on his contract because he's already peaked. fielder should make more if you are paying for expected performance. amaro doesn't believe in doing this...he'd rather pay for what a player has done, not what he will do. that's why he has sucked as a GM

Cliffy6745

Matinee baseball and The British Open, productivity is at a minimum.

Gary Carter

The Fixer wrote:

metsfan wrote:

Sabermertics are the most stupidest stats ever created. .

tough to be credible with sentences like that

and no one said ike davis was better than howard

dude newsflash for ya no one in this thread besides cliffy(no offense dude) and jearlpam takes you seriously when you base a player on stats that are for fantasy geeks with no lifes and gm's. So tell me something how many world series have the A's won or even gone to the world series. Don't bring up payroll cause if the marlins and rays can make the playoffs the A's sure as fuck can.

Where in any of my posts did I ever say ike davis was better then howard. All I said was I wish ike davis could be half the player the howard is. If you wanna twist words that fit your view and wanna believe your right then that's your problem not mine.

The Fixer

metsfan wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

metsfan wrote:

Sabermertics are the most stupidest stats ever created. .

tough to be credible with sentences like that

and no one said ike davis was better than howard

dude newsflash for ya no one in this thread besides cliffy(no offense dude) and jearlpam takes you seriously when you base a player on stats that are for fantasy geeks with no lifes and gm's. So tell me something how many world series have the A's won or even gone to the world series. Don't bring up payroll cause if the marlins and rays can make the playoffs the A's sure as fuck can.

Where in any of my posts did I ever say ike davis was better then howard. All I said was I wish ike davis could be half the player the howard is. If you wanna twist words that fit your view and wanna believe your right then that's your problem not mine.

relax bro. not sure what your point is. you're all over the place in your rant

you don't like sabermetrics...ok, fine. no one said you have to. not sure what your beef is

The Fixer

phils expected to sign george sherrill in the next 48 hours (he was cut by LAD)

jamminpearls

Pretty sad that a muts fan makes more sense then a phillies fan but it happen.

The Fixer

ted lilly looking good. put him on the plane and throw a phils jersey on him

EDIT: nothing like a little reverse jinx action. nice to see victorino is still alive

jamminpearls

The Fixer wrote:

phils expected to sign george sherrill in the next 48 hours (he was cut by LAD)

Sherrill got payed traded and has sucked since. I don't want any part of him and I don't want lilly either.

Gary Carter

Fixer my beef with you is that your always bashing howard day in and day out. Any team in the majors league would love to have him in their lineup. The phils are nothing without howard. He gives batters infront of him and behind him protection.

My 2nd beef with you is that you think I said ike davis was better then howard. So when I call you out on that you come up with the oddest post I've ever seen since I've been a member.



Aruging with you is like aruging with a brick wall


Since you hate howard so much I'll trade you davis, niese, mejia and pagan and thole for howard and werth. You'd be the only person to be crazy enough to make that trade.

The Fixer

jamminpearls wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

phils expected to sign george sherrill in the next 48 hours (he was cut by LAD)

Sherrill got payed traded and has sucked since. I don't want any part of him and I don't want lilly either.

they need another lefty in the pen. don't have to give up anything for sherrill and he should sign on the cheap. He wouldn't be my first choice, but he's better than zagurski or bastardo.

I'd love to see them trade for Lilly. I can't take many more moyer starts. What SP do you think they should go after?

Mets going after brett myers

The Fixer

metsfan wrote:

Fixer my beef with you is that your always bashing howard day in and day out. Any team in the majors league would love to have him in their lineup. The phils are nothing without howard. He gives batters infront of him and behind him protection.

My 2nd beef with you is that you think I said ike davis was better then howard. So when I call you out on that you come up with the oddest post I've ever seen since I've been a member.



Aruging with you is like aruging with a brick wall


Since you hate howard so much I'll trade you davis, niese, mejia and pagan and thole for howard and werth. You'd be the only person to be crazy enough to make that trade.

Man, I'm not trying to argue with you.

You said you'd take howard over Ike davis in a heartbeat. well, no shit...who wouldn't?

my problem has never been with howard, it's his contract that sucks

jamminpearls

I'd try hard to get the royals closer for starters. As for starting pitching maybe a westbrook or levan hernadez. Doubt wash would give him up but both guys are horses.

The Fixer

jamminpearls wrote:

I'd try hard to get the royals closer for starters. As for starting pitching maybe a westbrook or levan hernadez. Doubt wash would give him up but both guys are horses.

livan hernandez? you'd rather have him than lilly?

KC isn't trading soria. even if they do the phils would most likely have to give up singleton, cosart, or colvin and I don't see that happening for a bullpen guy

Cliffy6745

jamminpearls wrote:

Pretty sad that a muts fan makes more sense then a phillies fan but it happen.

Just because you are a Phillies fan and love your team does not mean you can't look at a situation logically. Look at stats, figure out what they mean and decide which ones you like. I do not like all advanced stats, but a lot of them can tell you a whole lot about a players ability. If GM's and scouts are using these stats to evalute players, how are the irrelevant and not important and why should we ignore them?

Within 5 years OPS with be an official MLB statstic. You act like Ryan Howard is the second coming of Babe Ruth for fucks sake. Do we probably trash him a little more than he deserves? Yes, but that is only because he has an absurd contract.

If you can take a look at these stats, research them a bit and honestly tell me that you think RBI's and HR's are the best way to measure a players ability then I don't know what to tell you. But trashing these stats when you don't have a fucking clue what they are just makes you look ignorant.

jamminpearls

The Fixer wrote:

jamminpearls wrote:

I'd try hard to get the royals closer for starters. As for starting pitching maybe a westbrook or levan hernadez. Doubt wash would give him up but both guys are horses.

livan hernandez? you'd rather have him than lilly?

KC isn't trading soria. even if they do the phils would most likely have to give up singleton, cosart, or colvin and I don't see that happening for a bullpen guy

Not a liily fan and we usually hit him well. Livan has been a horse this year and if we could get him he probably wouldn't cost that much to get. Myers would be my 1st choice but I doubt that would happen.

The Juggler

The Fixer wrote:

pjhawks wrote:

Buster Olney said last night that the Brewers are looking to trade Prince Fielder because he is a free agent and is going to want AT LEAST what Ryan Howard received (and Scott Boras is his agent) . As I said when the contract was signed by Howard signing him early SET the market instead of following the market. so if all these 1st basemen who are free agents over the next 2 years sign for more than Howard than the contract might just not be as horrible as people like the Fixer believe and in essence could be a bargain 3 or 4 years down the road. just saying.

and agree with Jaegs - no sense Charlie using so many pitchers last night. Didn't understand using Herndon for one inning then pinch hitting for him and bringing in Kendrick. And what is the fasication with Herndon? I know he is rule 5 and have to keep him all year but i don't really see his value in keeping him. I think Figueroa was better than Herndon. I don't see Herndon being a long term guy here anyway so what is the sense of keepign him around?

fielder is entering his prime (he's only 26). howard gives diminshing returns on his contract because he's already peaked. fielder should make more if you are paying for expected performance. amaro doesn't believe in doing this...he'd rather pay for what a player has done, not what he will do. that's why he has sucked as a GM

howard's like pearl jam. they'll never top Ten...but they've remained pretty damn good for the last 2 decades. so the whole "peak" thing isn't quite fair to him. those first 2 seasons were not just good, they were historic. other than the hr numbers (which the whole league is down in right now--but i fully expect his 2nd half #'s to be better than 1st half) he's having one of his best season's since those first couple.

also--olney called fielder the worst fielding first baseman in the league...not howard. just saying.



thought this conversation was over?

shane with a solo shot!
GO PHILS.

The Fixer

The Jeagler wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

pjhawks wrote:

Buster Olney said last night that the Brewers are looking to trade Prince Fielder because he is a free agent and is going to want AT LEAST what Ryan Howard received (and Scott Boras is his agent) . As I said when the contract was signed by Howard signing him early SET the market instead of following the market. so if all these 1st basemen who are free agents over the next 2 years sign for more than Howard than the contract might just not be as horrible as people like the Fixer believe and in essence could be a bargain 3 or 4 years down the road. just saying.

and agree with Jaegs - no sense Charlie using so many pitchers last night. Didn't understand using Herndon for one inning then pinch hitting for him and bringing in Kendrick. And what is the fasication with Herndon? I know he is rule 5 and have to keep him all year but i don't really see his value in keeping him. I think Figueroa was better than Herndon. I don't see Herndon being a long term guy here anyway so what is the sense of keepign him around?

fielder is entering his prime (he's only 26). howard gives diminshing returns on his contract because he's already peaked. fielder should make more if you are paying for expected performance. amaro doesn't believe in doing this...he'd rather pay for what a player has done, not what he will do. that's why he has sucked as a GM

howard's like pearl jam. they'll never top Ten...but they've remained pretty damn good for the last 2 decades. so the whole "peak" thing isn't quite fair to him. those first 2 seasons were not just good, they were historic. other than the hr numbers (which the whole league is down in right now--but i fully expect his 2nd half #'s to be better than 1st half) he's having one of his best season's since those first couple.

also--olney called fielder the worst fielding first baseman in the league...not howard. just saying.



thought this conversation was over?

shane with a solo shot!
GO PHILS.

great analogy with the PJ Ten - first 2 howard years. that is perfect.

howard is still productive. he just shouldn't be the 2nd highest paid player in baseball.

fielder and howard are both awful in the field. howard does have more range than fielder...which is scary since he moves like a dinosaur

jamminpearls

Cliffy6745 wrote:

jamminpearls wrote:

Pretty sad that a muts fan makes more sense then a phillies fan but it happen.

Just because you are a Phillies fan and love your team does not mean you can't look at a situation logically. Look at stats, figure out what they mean and decide which ones you like. I do not like all advanced stats, but a lot of them can tell you a whole lot about a players ability. If GM's and scouts are using these stats to evalute players, how are the irrelevant and not important and why should we ignore them?

Within 5 years OPS with be an official MLB statstic. You act like Ryan Howard is the second coming of Babe Ruth for fucks sake. Do we probably trash him a little more than he deserves? Yes, but that is only because he has an absurd contract.

If you can take a look at these stats, research them a bit and honestly tell me that you think RBI's and HR's are the best way to measure a players ability then I don't know what to tell you. But trashing these stats when you don't have a fucking clue what they are just makes you look ignorant.

First me being a philly fan has nothing to do with me thinking howards a good player. Me watching him on a daily makes me think he's a great clutch power hitter who makes everyone in the lineup better.

I understand what all stats mean,just because I don't value stats in a certain order or over value stats like sabermatics does not make me ignortant. Its funny how u say babe ruths name,howards numbers are actually the closiest to his I'd dare say for his 1st 5 seasons. But thanks anyways for the post it gave me a chuckle.

Cliffy6745

jamminpearls wrote:

. Its funny how u say babe ruths name,howards numbers are actually the closiest to his I'd dare say for his 1st 5 seasons. But thanks anyways for the post it gave me a chuckle.

Are you fucking kidding me?