***The Official Philadelphia Phillies 2012 Thread***

jamminpearls

I want absoutely ZERO to do with Vazquez. He'd be a horrible fit here imo. I'd rather let werth finish out the year then trade him for an overpaid under achieving pitcher. Why anyone would think he'd be a good fit here is beyond me. Might as well use the money next year or use it to resigning are players. Making a bad trade dosent make sense,seems like people like making trades just to make one.

The Fixer

neilybabes86 wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

someone here said he heard swisher would be thrown into the werth/vasquez deal if it ever happens. is that even remotely possible? not sure where he heard it...

forget it swish isn't going anywhere

besides he a douche who wears ed hardy

Only way I want fucking Nick Swisher is if the Yanks take Ibanez. Swisher blows

The Fixer

jamminpearls wrote:

I want absoutely ZERO to do with Vazquez. He'd be a horrible fit here imo. I'd rather let werth finish out the year then trade him for an overpaid under achieving pitcher. Why anyone would think he'd be a good fit here is beyond me. Might as well use the money next year or use it to resigning are players. Making a bad trade dosent make sense,seems like people like making trades just to make one.

Look at his numbers last year when he pitched in the NL East

Jearlpam0925

neilybabes86 wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

someone here said he heard swisher would be thrown into the werth/vasquez deal if it ever happens. is that even remotely possible? not sure where he heard it...

forget it swish isn't going anywhere

besides he a douche who wears ed hardy

If Swisher becomes a Phillie, I will proceed with shooting myself.

Solat13

The Fixer wrote:

most of those numbers are in the AL. experts say a shift from the AL to the NL shaves .5 - 1 run off of a pitchers ERA.

which would you rather have in a playoff series...

option A
Halladay, Hamels, Blanton?, Moyer??

option B
Halladay, Vazquez, Hamels, Blanton?

EDIT: vazquez was OK in the NL east last year

It's a moot point because apparently the trade is off, but both options are bad.

I'd rather take option A though because option B would leave you with with a lineup so lefty heavy that you would not have a shot against a rotation with CC, Lee and Pettitte in it.

The Fixer

Solat13 wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

most of those numbers are in the AL. experts say a shift from the AL to the NL shaves .5 - 1 run off of a pitchers ERA.

which would you rather have in a playoff series...

option A
Halladay, Hamels, Blanton?, Moyer??

option B
Halladay, Vazquez, Hamels, Blanton?

EDIT: vazquez was OK in the NL east last year

It's a moot point because apparently the trade is off, but both options are bad.

I'd rather take option A though because option B would leave you with with a lineup so lefty heavy that you would not have a shot against a rotation with CC, Lee and Pettitte in it.

doesn't look like we're gonna agree. trade isn't happening, so like you said it's a moot point.

I will say that the phils have much bigger issues if amaro is taking AL teams into account when he's making trades. Also, polanco returning (dropping victorino in the lineup) and francisco platooning with ibanez would break up the lefties. but I digress

Jearlpam0925

Ha! Here's what I was talking about.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big_le ... mlb,254874

jamminpearls

The Fixer wrote:

jamminpearls wrote:

I want absoutely ZERO to do with Vazquez. He'd be a horrible fit here imo. I'd rather let werth finish out the year then trade him for an overpaid under achieving pitcher. Why anyone would think he'd be a good fit here is beyond me. Might as well use the money next year or use it to resigning are players. Making a bad trade dosent make sense,seems like people like making trades just to make one.

Look at his numbers last year when he pitched in the NL East

That was last year,and atl is a much more pitcher friendly place then the bank. We might as well keep the cash and sign a good younger pitcher instead of an older declining one.

Solat13

The Fixer wrote:

doesn't look like we're gonna agree. trade isn't happening, so like you said it's a moot point.

I will say that the phils have much bigger issues if amaro is taking AL teams into account when he's making trades. Also, polanco returning (dropping victorino in the lineup) and francisco platooning with ibanez would break up the lefties. but I digress

Yep let's agree to disagree. But according to the latest Elias rankings (they determine who is a type A, B or nothing free agent for compensation), Werth is a solid type A meaning you get two picks and Vazquez is hanging on to type A status but could easily fall to type B (only a sandwich pick) with a poor second half, and because it's unlikely the Phils would resign either given all the money they have allocated already for next year and their set budget you wouldn't want to get back less than you give up.

The Fixer

Solat13 wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

doesn't look like we're gonna agree. trade isn't happening, so like you said it's a moot point.

I will say that the phils have much bigger issues if amaro is taking AL teams into account when he's making trades. Also, polanco returning (dropping victorino in the lineup) and francisco platooning with ibanez would break up the lefties. but I digress

Yep let's agree to disagree. But according to the latest Elias rankings (they determine who is a type A, B or nothing free agent for compensation), Werth is a solid type A meaning you get two picks and Vazquez is hanging on to type A status but could easily fall to type B (only a sandwich pick) with a poor second half, and because it's unlikely the Phils would resign either given all the money they have allocated already for next year and their set budget you wouldn't want to get back less than you give up.

yeah I get all of that. I'd bet vazquez will be a type A. his bad start was an aberration. His performance over the last month is closer to his mean than his april.

also, the phils would have to offer vazquez arbitration in order to get draft picks (werth as well, but I think werth is more likely to decline arb and hit the market than vazquez). that could put them in an unfavorable situation.

oh well, on to the next topic

EDIT: your last sentence makes me think of the Lee trade. phils could have gotten montero for Lee last year but amaro turned it down. then turned around and got 3 turds. ugh

Gary Carter

jamminpearls wrote:

I want absoutely ZERO to do with Vazquez. He'd be a horrible fit here imo. I'd rather let werth finish out the year then trade him for an overpaid under achieving pitcher. Why anyone would think he'd be a good fit here is beyond me. Might as well use the money next year or use it to resigning are players. Making a bad trade dosent make sense,seems like people like making trades just to make one.

we give you bay and you give us werth

Cliffy6745

Haha. Via mlbtr, the phillies would prefer to move ibanez than werth. No shit.

neilybabes86

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

Ha! Here's what I was talking about.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big_le ... mlb,254874

on second thought phantom ..you can keep that douche

Gary Carter

neilybabes86 wrote:

metsfan wrote:

Solat13 wrote:

Any anytime you get a chance to land a career 149-146 pitcher who makes more than Cliff Lee, you defintiely have to jump on it. Especially since the Yanks gave up Melky Cabrera and 2 minor leaguers for him.

:roll:

why you laughing you root for the phils :roll:

thats the biggest joke i've ever heard

maybe i'll root for the red sox in the playoffs

would you ever root for the islanders in the playoffs if they were playing the devils

i doubt it

Jearlpam0925

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Haha. Via mlbtr, the phillies would prefer to move ibanez than werth. No shit.

Are you sure that wasn't on the cover of "Duh Weekly"?

neilybabes86

metsfan wrote:

neilybabes86 wrote:

Solat13 wrote:

Any anytime you get a chance to land a career 149-146 pitcher who makes more than Cliff Lee, you defintiely have to jump on it. Especially since the Yanks gave up Melky Cabrera and 2 minor leaguers for him.





why you laughing you root for the phils :roll:

thats the biggest joke i've ever heard

maybe i'll root for the red sox in the playoffs

would you ever root for the islanders in the playoffs if they were playing the devils

i doubt it

no but i would root for the mets over the sox like in 86 when you were in diapers


let me explain this to you

as a yankees fan i have no beef with the mets ...they are not even on the ny radar ...they have no bearing on our season sans 6 games ..we beat you cats in the one series that mattered
so basically the yankees fans could care less about the mets or their hatred and whatnot


however the roles are reversed when you're a mets fan ...having to hear all the abuse about 2nd class citizens and only 30,000 people show up and constantly getting outdone by the yankees and so on


so we understand why the hatred is there from your standpoint




however you're rooting for a DIVISION RIVAL who you play 20 x per year who directly impacts your hopes for the division title and playoffs who just won something you cats haven't sniffed in 25 years just because you're tired of being 2nd class in ny

it really is a predictament but you have to root against the division rivals over another ny team

and i know you give that young yankees fans line or whatever but the their are millions more older fans such as myself


in closing we DON'T CARE ABOUT YOU GUYS ...SO RUN ALONG AND ROOT FOR THE TEAM THAT BEATS YOU EVERY YEAR ...makes alot of sense :roll:

Jearlpam0925

HEY. I'm all for derailing threads, but come on....I know where you both stand. And that is as frauds.

Now, it's 1:45, and it's breakfast time. I say good day to yous, sirs.

Gary Carter

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

HEY. I'm all for derailing threads, but come on....I know where you both stand. And that is as frauds.

Now, it's 1:45, and it's breakfast time. I say good day to yous, sirs.

GO COWBOYS

:P

neilybabes86

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

HEY. I'm all for derailing threads, but come on....I know where you both stand. And that is as frauds.

Now, it's 1:45, and it's breakfast time. I say good day to yous, sirs.

i have 1 more hour to kill then i will leave you alone


im going to smoke brb

The Champ

You know what, fuck the Phills and the Yanks...Let's go Mets!!! Yes, apparently the Met thread is dead..huge series this weekend against the Braves..Metsy, you going to any? Anyway, fuck the Yanks and Phillies, but gun to my head, I'd root for the Yanks over the Phillies every time..