***The Official Philadelphia Phillies 2012 Thread***

Cliffy6745

The Fixer wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Don't think I would have believed you if you told me before the season that at the end of June, Halladay would be 9-7 in the NL.

further proof that W-L record for pitchers means nothing

tough loss today...phils botched a few plays in the field. and did nothing offensively

Agreed, just saying. Very unexpected, especially with a 2.4 something era and a 1.1 whip

The Juggler

so we follow up a huge win last night with a terrible loss today...dreadfull

eeriepadave

No wonder we lost today. Halladay appeared on the cover of SI this week. Damn SI jinx!



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pjhawks

The Fixer wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Don't think I would have believed you if you told me before the season that at the end of June, Halladay would be 9-7 in the NL.

further proof that W-L record for pitchers means nothing

tough loss today...phils botched a few plays in the field. and did nothing offensively

I wouldn't say wins-losses means nothing although i agree the numbers can be skewed. Halladay choked today, can't lose that game in the last 2 innings.

The Fixer

pjhawks wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Don't think I would have believed you if you told me before the season that at the end of June, Halladay would be 9-7 in the NL.

further proof that W-L record for pitchers means nothing

tough loss today...phils botched a few plays in the field. and did nothing offensively

I wouldn't say wins-losses means nothing although i agree the numbers can be skewed. Halladay choked today, can't lose that game in the last 2 innings.

you're crazy...werth has to catch that ball.

pitcher wins are worse than RBI

The Fixer

anyone heading to pittsburgh this weekend?

Phantom Pain

pjhawks wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Don't think I would have believed you if you told me before the season that at the end of June, Halladay would be 9-7 in the NL.

further proof that W-L record for pitchers means nothing

tough loss today...phils botched a few plays in the field. and did nothing offensively

I wouldn't say wins-losses means nothing although i agree the numbers can be skewed. Halladay choked today, can't lose that game in the last 2 innings.

You could see the REDS were catching up to Halladay

I think every starter had a hit off him then the 8th came with the meat of their order coming up

Not sure what would have been worse a tired Halladay or bringing in Contreas

Jearlpam0925

The Fixer wrote:

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

Oh, and I can't believe we're gonna fucking lose this game because A) Werth is a terrible fielder & We're getting our run production from Wilson Valdez and Dane fucking Sardinha. Get the fuck outta here. Unbelievable.

that play by werth was awful. I remember someone saying he could play CF. yikes

Yeah, exactly, just because he has the range to go foul line to foul line in center doesn't mean he has the glove to go along with it. He's just absolutely too nonchalant with his catching, NEVER uses both hands, and misjudges a lot of balls. Good range, and strong arm, that's not enough to be an adequate centerfielder. Just terrible - he should be trying to be behind that ball no matter whether you think the wall is coming up behind you or not. That was the key moment of that game.

Both homers were nice pitches by Doc. Just gotta give Votto and Bruce credit for getting them out, especially Votto's. And that shouldn't be here nor there anyway - it's gonna be reeeeal scary if the only people giving you run production is the bottom third of your lineup.

The Fixer

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

Oh, and I can't believe we're gonna fucking lose this game because A) Werth is a terrible fielder & We're getting our run production from Wilson Valdez and Dane fucking Sardinha. Get the fuck outta here. Unbelievable.

that play by werth was awful. I remember someone saying he could play CF. yikes

Yeah, exactly, just because he has the range to go foul line to foul line in center doesn't mean he has the glove to go along with it. He's just absolutely too nonchalant with his catching, NEVER uses both hands, and misjudges a lot of balls. Good range, and strong arm, that's not enough to be an adequate centerfielder. Just terrible - he should be trying to be behind that ball no matter whether you think the wall is coming up behind you or not. That was the key moment of that game.

Both homers were nice pitches by Doc. Just gotta give Votto and Bruce credit for getting them out, especially Votto's. And that shouldn't be here nor there anyway - it's gonna be reeeeal scary if the only people giving you run production is the bottom third of your lineup.

not sure I would call the pitch bruce hit a good pitch. the pitch votto hit out was a good pitch. the ball bruce hit out was not.

bottom line is that halladay has been great. the phils have asked him to do too much. guys like howard and werth fuck up routine plays and halladay gets tired....imagine that. catch the fucking ball and halladay will do his part.

tough loss. game they needed to win with their injuries. CATCH THE FUCKING BALL. it's not that hard

I had flashbacks of bobby abreu in RF today. sorry, it's true. I'm pissed if someone on my softball team drops that ball. flat out awful

pjhawks

The Fixer wrote:

not sure I would call the pitch bruce hit a good pitch. the pitch votto hit out was a good pitch. the ball bruce hit out was not.

bottom line is that halladay has been great. the phils have asked him to do too much. guys like howard and werth fuck up routine plays and halladay gets tired....imagine that. catch the fucking ball and halladay will do his part.

tough loss. game they needed to win with their injuries. CATCH THE FUCKING BALL. it's not that hard

I had flashbacks of bobby abreu in RF today. sorry, it's true. I'm pissed if someone on my softball team drops that ball. flat out awful

agree Werth needs to catch that ball but does that really excuse the supposed best pitcher in baseball giving up 2 monster home runs? I don't think Halladay has been great - i think the last month or so, not including the perfect game, he has been good, not great.

The Juggler

does anyone ever keep score when watching games? couple times in high school when i was dh'ing i kept score for the team. i liked doing it.


i've really had this itch to do it again lately. came close to picking a score card up last week at the game, but i resisted.

anyone else? or am i just a nerd?

Cliffy6745

The Jeagler wrote:

does anyone ever keep score when watching games? couple times in high school when i was dh'ing i kept score for the team. i liked doing it.


i've really had this itch to do it again lately. came close to picking a score card up last week at the game, but i resisted.

anyone else? or am i just a nerd?

Keeping score is awesome. I applaud anyone who does it. Those are some true fans.

The Juggler

Cliffy6745 wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

does anyone ever keep score when watching games? couple times in high school when i was dh'ing i kept score for the team. i liked doing it.


i've really had this itch to do it again lately. came close to picking a score card up last week at the game, but i resisted.

anyone else? or am i just a nerd?

Keeping score is awesome. I applaud anyone who does it. Those are some true fans.

you feel like you are a part of the game almost...do you keep score at all?

Cliffy6745

Via MLBTR, the Phillies are interested in Haren. haha, Should have kept Lee. It will definitely take a lot to get Haren given his contract and the fact the Dbacks gave up a lot to get him. That would mean the Phillies have $150 mil allocated to next year already. I don't see it. Not going to be easy to get a front like starter.

Would be funny if the Phillies traded Lee with only $9 mil left for peanuts then gave up more than that for a guy with $20 something mil left and not nearly as good.

Cliffy6745

The Jeagler wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

does anyone ever keep score when watching games? couple times in high school when i was dh'ing i kept score for the team. i liked doing it.


i've really had this itch to do it again lately. came close to picking a score card up last week at the game, but i resisted.

anyone else? or am i just a nerd?

Keeping score is awesome. I applaud anyone who does it. Those are some true fans.

you feel like you are a part of the game almost...do you keep score at all?

I have, but I don't often. Usually when I go to a game with my dad I do, which does not happen often since he moved down south but I really enjoy it. I am too distracted when I am with friends or my girlfriend.

The Fixer

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Via MLBTR, the Phillies are interested in Haren. haha, Should have kept Lee. It will definitely take a lot to get Haren given his contract and the fact the Dbacks gave up a lot to get him. That would mean the Phillies have $150 mil allocated to next year already. I don't see it. Not going to be easy to get a front like starter.

Would be funny if the Phillies traded Lee with only $9 mil left for peanuts then gave up more than that for a guy with $20 something mil left and not nearly as good.

I saw the haren thing too. I don't see it happening either. I think they should go after myers and/or lilly. both would cost less via trade and both are FA's after the year.

Every time I see or hear cliff lee's name I get pissed. amaro stinks. if lee goes to the mets I'm gonna assassinate his ass

The Juggler

The Fixer wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Via MLBTR, the Phillies are interested in Haren. haha, Should have kept Lee. It will definitely take a lot to get Haren given his contract and the fact the Dbacks gave up a lot to get him. That would mean the Phillies have $150 mil allocated to next year already. I don't see it. Not going to be easy to get a front like starter.

Would be funny if the Phillies traded Lee with only $9 mil left for peanuts then gave up more than that for a guy with $20 something mil left and not nearly as good.

I saw the haren thing too. I don't see it happening either. I think they should go after myers and/or lilly. both would cost less via trade and both are FA's after the year.

Every time I see or hear cliff lee's name I get pissed. amaro stinks. if lee goes to the mets I'm gonna assassinate his ass

trading for myers. it makes sense....but we'd look so stupid at the same time knowing we could have just re-signed him at the end of last season....oh boy

The Fixer

The Jeagler wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Via MLBTR, the Phillies are interested in Haren. haha, Should have kept Lee. It will definitely take a lot to get Haren given his contract and the fact the Dbacks gave up a lot to get him. That would mean the Phillies have $150 mil allocated to next year already. I don't see it. Not going to be easy to get a front like starter.

Would be funny if the Phillies traded Lee with only $9 mil left for peanuts then gave up more than that for a guy with $20 something mil left and not nearly as good.

I saw the haren thing too. I don't see it happening either. I think they should go after myers and/or lilly. both would cost less via trade and both are FA's after the year.

Every time I see or hear cliff lee's name I get pissed. amaro stinks. if lee goes to the mets I'm gonna assassinate his ass

trading for myers. it makes sense....but we'd look so stupid at the same time knowing we could have just re-signed him at the end of last season....oh boy

a buddy of mine said same thing. He was coming off an injury, so I don't think it looks that bad.

I've always liked myers more than most people. He's not the brightest dude, but he has brass balls

The Juggler

The Fixer wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

I saw the haren thing too. I don't see it happening either. I think they should go after myers and/or lilly. both would cost less via trade and both are FA's after the year.

Every time I see or hear cliff lee's name I get pissed. amaro stinks. if lee goes to the mets I'm gonna assassinate his ass

trading for myers. it makes sense....but we'd look so stupid at the same time knowing we could have just re-signed him at the end of last season....oh boy

a buddy of mine said same thing. He was coming off an injury, so I don't think it looks that bad.

I've always liked myers more than most people. He's not the brightest dude, but he has brass balls

yeah but because of the injury and because no gm other than eddie wade was interested means we could have signed him to home town dirt cheap discount. now we would have to give up a some prospects for him. either way, i'd take him too. read something that said he's gone 6 innings deep in each of his last 15 starts or something...

Phantom Pain

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