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  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,908
    Phantom Pain wrote:
    pjhawks wrote:
    Phantom Pain wrote:
    Just got the CSN News Alert

    Polanco and Utley to the DL

    who the heck is going to play 2nd and 3rd? can't have Castro and Valdez both for 2 weeks. Dobbs coming back i guess?

    I dont know but this season is turning into a cluster

    The injuries are getting out of hand and the bench players are not picking up enough of the slack

    yup, just one of those years. hopefully can hang close until the all-star break but anyone else goes down and this is a disaster.
  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,527
    Gotta hope Jimmy stays healthy, and they have to make a trade for a starter and for a Jamey Carroll, Grudzielanek, Bellhorn ilk. Especially with rumors of Lee coming back to the NL East. I guess we will see. Buckle up because it's gonna be a shitty ride for the next few weeks.

    Also, boom -

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  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    brian bocock was called up...along with dobbs. I know bocock can play second.

    gotta weather the storm over the next 2 weeks. not gonna be easy without their best player
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    utley AND polanco????....FUCK.

    well hopefully we can remain somewhat close to .500 till the all star break. we're 3.5 back right now and have a 3 game set with the bravos at home next week who just put heyward on the dl. also have the reds again and pirates before the all star game.
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  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,527
    Rosenthal makes a good point that the price for Lee should be wayyyy less than what the Phils gave up last year - ya think there's any chance they could land him again? Maybe those dudes stuck at 1st base in A and AA could suffice.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,025
    Jearlpam0925 wrote:
    Rosenthal makes a good point that the price for Lee should be wayyyy less than what the Phils gave up last year - ya think there's any chance they could land him again? Maybe those dudes stuck at 1st base in A and AA could suffice.

    Wishful thinking. Especially with the garbage they got for him.
  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Jearlpam0925 wrote:
    Rosenthal makes a good point that the price for Lee should be wayyyy less than what the Phils gave up last year - ya think there's any chance they could land him again? Maybe those dudes stuck at 1st base in A and AA could suffice.

    Wishful thinking. Especially with the garbage they got for him.

    yep. you gotta think that seattle's GM will want more than he gave up to acquire Lee. Seattle should be able to get one good to great prospect back.

    the Lee trade will go down as one of the worst in phils history. the timing and the return they got were just terrible
  • Phantom Pain
    Phantom Pain Posts: 9,876
    The Fixer wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Jearlpam0925 wrote:
    Rosenthal makes a good point that the price for Lee should be wayyyy less than what the Phils gave up last year - ya think there's any chance they could land him again? Maybe those dudes stuck at 1st base in A and AA could suffice.

    Wishful thinking. Especially with the garbage they got for him.

    yep. you gotta think that seattle's GM will want more than he gave up to acquire Lee. Seattle should be able to get one good to great prospect back.

    the Lee trade will go down as one of the worst in phils history. the timing and the return they got were just terrible

    It sux

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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    The Fixer wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Jearlpam0925 wrote:
    Rosenthal makes a good point that the price for Lee should be wayyyy less than what the Phils gave up last year - ya think there's any chance they could land him again? Maybe those dudes stuck at 1st base in A and AA could suffice.

    Wishful thinking. Especially with the garbage they got for him.

    yep. you gotta think that seattle's GM will want more than he gave up to acquire Lee. Seattle should be able to get one good to great prospect back.

    the Lee trade will go down as one of the worst in phils history. the timing and the return they got were just terrible


    you just knew we'd be in a spot like this come july after he unloaded lee last year....shoulda kept him and acquired the two top picks as compensation for him leaving after this year. i get so steamed just thinking about that stupid trade...steamed.
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    Solat13 wrote:
    Jearlpam0925 wrote:

    I hope you have the same policy when it comes to 3,000 hits because Renteria is only 33 and only about 770 hits away from 3,000. He could easily hang on as part time player and get to 3,000.

    As for Moyer, he'd have to not give up a run for 440 straight innings to tie the guy currently in the HOF with the highest ERA.


    are you a calculator?

    i agree with jearlpam...if he sticks around and gets 300, he's in. if not, no. ........another question is if charlie will put him on the all star team. most likely not. but if he does, i think the fixer migh spontaneously combust. :lol:

    what about strasburg? do you think he should be an all star? as long as bud selig's stupid idea of making this exhibition game "count" is in effect, i am totally for him pitching a couple innings of relief against hitters who don't have a book on him.

    and regarding the era though--most of the pitchers who get in from the steroid era will have era's higher than most of the players already in the hall right now. like jim said, its all about the generation you played in.
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  • The Fixer
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    The Jeagler wrote:
    Solat13 wrote:
    Jearlpam0925 wrote:

    I hope you have the same policy when it comes to 3,000 hits because Renteria is only 33 and only about 770 hits away from 3,000. He could easily hang on as part time player and get to 3,000.

    As for Moyer, he'd have to not give up a run for 440 straight innings to tie the guy currently in the HOF with the highest ERA.


    are you a calculator?

    i agree with jearlpam...if he sticks around and gets 300, he's in. if not, no. ........another question is if charlie will put him on the all star team. most likely not. but if he does, i think the fixer migh spontaneously combust. :lol:

    what about strasburg? do you think he should be an all star? as long as bud selig's stupid idea of making this exhibition game "count" is in effect, i am totally for him pitching a couple innings of relief against hitters who don't have a book on him.

    and regarding the era though--most of the pitchers who get in from the steroid era will have era's higher than most of the players already in the hall right now. like jim said, its all about the generation you played in.

    manuel has been saying how important it is to win the all star game...that will make it hilarious when he takes moyer and howard this year. howard is having a decent year, but votto, gonzalez, and pujols are all having better years (all have higher BA/OBP/SLG, as well as hrs)

    if manuel is trying to win the all star game, he should take strasburg. he's already one of the best pitchers in the NL
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    The Fixer wrote:
    The Jeagler wrote:
    Solat13 wrote:

    manuel has been saying how important it is to win the all star game...that will make it hilarious when he takes moyer and howard this year. howard is having a decent year, but votto, gonzalez, and pujols are all having better years (all have higher BA/OBP/SLG, as well as hrs)

    if manuel is trying to win the all star game, he should take strasburg. he's already one of the best pitchers in the NL

    pujols will be voted in.

    last year i believe he took both howard and fielder maybe? could have been gonzalez. there def was 3 of them though. i could see him taking gonzo and howard to back pujols up this time around. lot of quality choices at that position though.
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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,025
    Pitchers were on steroids as well

    are you guys aware that cliff lee has 4 walks on the year? 4!!!!!!!
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Pitchers were on steroids as well

    are you guys aware that cliff lee has 4 walks on the year? 4!!!!!!!

    steroids clearly benefited the hitters more...that along with the new ballparks being the size of wiffleball fields.


    i can see it now...for the next month there will be a ridiculous debate in this town of if we should trade dominic brown to obtain lee. watch. it's coming....
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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,025
    I agree, just saying eveyone was on steroids.

    Haha. That would be funny but I bet he's traded before everyone can get worked up about it.

    5 walks on the season now. That is just sick though.

    Can't quote with this dumb new mobile format
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    I agree, just saying eveyone was on steroids.

    Haha. That would be funny but I bet he's traded before everyone can get worked up about it.

    5 walks on the season now. That is just sick though.

    Can't quote with this dumb new mobile format


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  • eeriepadave
    eeriepadave West Chester, PA Posts: 43,179
    Well despite Utley and Polanco on the DL Phills playing pretty well so far tonight, keep it up guys :)
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  • The Fixer
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    The Jeagler wrote:

    last year i believe he took both howard and fielder maybe? could have been gonzalez. there def was 3 of them though. i could see him taking gonzo and howard to back pujols up this time around. lot of quality choices at that position though.

    even better, he took 4 first basemen...fielder, gonzalez, pujols, and howard. and howard had the worst numbers at last year's all star break too.

    if howard makes it over votto this year it just further proves the all star game is a joke. votto has better numbers in every stat that matters (ie not RBI)
  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    keith law updated prospect rankings out today.

    new #1 prospect in baseball is............

    1. Domonic Brown, OF, Philadelphia. Is there anything he can't do? He's destroying everything in his path in Double-A and is probably just some defensive refinements from being big league ready. I don't think he's next off the list to the big leagues, but with Raul Ibanez providing below-average offense and defense in left, I'd have to think the Phils are looking at Brown for a second-half call-up. Previous ranking: No. 7

    22. Jarred Cosart, RHP, Philadelphia. With one of the best fastballs of any starter in the minors, he's carving through the Sally League in his first full season in pro ball. Previous ranking: NR

    also, props to South Jersey's Mike Trout who has shot up prospect lists since being drafted in 2009.

    3. Mike Trout, OF, LA Angels. Oh, just call him up already. The way he's going, he probably could handle it. Previous ranking: No. 14

    Also, Michael Taylor was one of the 3 guys that dropped out of the top 25 (was 19th). so it looks like amaro finally did something right and kept the right guy. here's a singleton mention (he was in the 'just missed' category)

    Jonathan Singleton? Too small a sample for a player who didn't come in with the track record or scouting reports to put him here before the season.
  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    votto is a beast
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