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Roy Oswalt plans to accept his proposed trade to the Philadelphia Phillies, a baseball source who has spoken with Oswalt's camp told ESPN.com Thursday.
Oswalt
Oswalt hasn't officially waived his no-trade clause to OK the deal, the source said. But after considering his options and speaking with friends familiar with the Phillies' situation, the source said the Houston Astros right-hander is prepared to go to Philadelphia.
It was not immediately clear if the Phillies or Astros offered any financial incentives for Oswalt to drop his trade veto rights. The Astros will pay $11 million of the approximately $23 million that the 32-year-old right-hander has guaranteed through 2011, sources said.
In return for Oswalt, the Astros would get back left-handed starter J.A. Happ and two prospects, according to sources.
While the Phillies prospects have not been identified, sources said the Astros have pressed hard for first baseman Jonathan Singleton, considered the team's best minor-league hitting prospect. Singleton is currently at Class A Lakewood in the South Atlantic League, where he was hitting .312 with 18 doubles and 12 home runs as of Thursday.
The agreement on trade terms was first reported by KRIV-TV in Houston
what's the deal with singleton, cosart or colvin that makes you reluctant about the deal?
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Toronto 2011,Toronto 2011
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"I play good, hard-nosed basketball.
Things happen in the game. Nothing you
can do. I don't go and say,
"I'm gonna beat this guy up."
what's the deal with singleton, cosart or colvin that makes you reluctant about the deal?
the phils work with a limited budget, so young players like them are invaluable resources. cosart and colvin will be top 100 prospects next winter. I wouldn't trade those type of talents for an aging pitcher with a bad back.
singleton is gonna be a monster too. a scout that saw him this summer said he was the best hitter he had seen in the minors since manny ramirez
Sounds like it is a good deal, especially since his option is not being picked up. Sounding like a good haul for Astros too, better than the Dbacks did for Haren and he is more valuable.
Sounds like it is a good deal, especially since his option is not being picked up. Sounding like a good haul for Astros too, better than the Dbacks did for Haren and he is more valuable.
what did you see the package is?
buddy just texted me happ, worley, and gose. Without the option, that would be a tremendous trade for the phils.
Sounds like it is a good deal, especially since his option is not being picked up. Sounding like a good haul for Astros too, better than the Dbacks did for Haren and he is more valuable.
what did you see the package is?
buddy just texted me happ, worley, and gose. Without the option, that would be a tremendous trade for the phils.
Yeah, I just saw that on trade rumors. That would be ridiculously good.
Sounds like it is a good deal, especially since his option is not being picked up. Sounding like a good haul for Astros too, better than the Dbacks did for Haren and he is more valuable.
what did you see the package is?
buddy just texted me happ, worley, and gose. Without the option, that would be a tremendous trade for the phils.
I didn't see anything, was assuming singleton was in it because of what stark said and the $11 mil. Just an assumption. If not hell of a pick up.
what's the deal with singleton, cosart or colvin that makes you reluctant about the deal?
the phils work with a limited budget, so young players like them are invaluable resources. cosart and colvin will be top 100 prospects next winter. I wouldn't trade those type of talents for an aging pitcher with a bad back.
singleton is gonna be a monster too. a scout that saw him this summer said he was the best hitter he had seen in the minors since manny ramirez
Fair enough but the team has sold out every game for the last year, I assume they have one of the better TV deals in the game, so they can't be doing badly revenue side. Plus my thing with prospects on big market teams, if these guys are as good as being said, then make sure your scouting department is doing their homework when the draft rolls around next June and then you won't have to worry about losing these prospects in a deal like this.
Reading 2004
Albany 2006 Camden 2006 E. Rutherford 2, 2006 Inglewood 2006,
Chicago 2007
Camden 2008 MSG 2008 MSG 2008 Hartford 2008.
Seattle 2009 Seattle 2009 Philadelphia 2009,Philadelphia 2009 Philadelphia 2009
Hartford 2010 MSG 2010 MSG 2010
Toronto 2011,Toronto 2011
Wrigley Field 2013 Brooklyn 2013 Brooklyn 2013 Philadelphia 2, 2013
Philadelphia 1, 2016 Philadelphia 2 2016 New York 2016 New York 2016 Fenway 1, 2016 Fenway 2, 2018 MSG 2022 St. Paul, 1, St. Paul 2 2023 MSG 2024, MSG 2024 Philadelphia 2024
"I play good, hard-nosed basketball.
Things happen in the game. Nothing you
can do. I don't go and say,
"I'm gonna beat this guy up."
what's the deal with singleton, cosart or colvin that makes you reluctant about the deal?
the phils work with a limited budget, so young players like them are invaluable resources. cosart and colvin will be top 100 prospects next winter. I wouldn't trade those type of talents for an aging pitcher with a bad back.
singleton is gonna be a monster too. a scout that saw him this summer said he was the best hitter he had seen in the minors since manny ramirez
Fair enough but the team has sold out every game for the last year, I assume they have one of the better TV deals in the game, so they can't be doing badly revenue side. Plus my thing with prospects on big market teams, if these guys are as good as being said, then make sure your scouting department is doing their homework when the draft rolls around next June and then you won't have to worry about losing these prospects in a deal like this.
Actually, their tv deal is not one of the better ones is what I'm told from a friend who would know. Comcast got them locked into a lower rate than average for the league back when the Phils weren't that good. Not sure when the deal re-ups though.
Thanks for clearing that up. I didn't know that about Comcast. But that being said if the deal is up in a few years, the Phillies certainly would have the leverage on their side based on the last few years and if the Oswalt deal works out like they hope, that only adds more leverage (at least my opinion, I have no idea what negotiations for TV rights are like).
Reading 2004
Albany 2006 Camden 2006 E. Rutherford 2, 2006 Inglewood 2006,
Chicago 2007
Camden 2008 MSG 2008 MSG 2008 Hartford 2008.
Seattle 2009 Seattle 2009 Philadelphia 2009,Philadelphia 2009 Philadelphia 2009
Hartford 2010 MSG 2010 MSG 2010
Toronto 2011,Toronto 2011
Wrigley Field 2013 Brooklyn 2013 Brooklyn 2013 Philadelphia 2, 2013
Philadelphia 1, 2016 Philadelphia 2 2016 New York 2016 New York 2016 Fenway 1, 2016 Fenway 2, 2018 MSG 2022 St. Paul, 1, St. Paul 2 2023 MSG 2024, MSG 2024 Philadelphia 2024
"I play good, hard-nosed basketball.
Things happen in the game. Nothing you
can do. I don't go and say,
"I'm gonna beat this guy up."
Thanks for clearing that up. I didn't know that about Comcast. But that being said if the deal is up in a few years, the Phillies certainly would have the leverage on their side based on the last few years and if the Oswalt deal works out like they hope, that only adds more leverage (at least my opinion, I have no idea what negotiations for TV rights are like).
Not that I know what tv negotiations are like but would they have leverage over a company that just bought NBC?
what's the deal with singleton, cosart or colvin that makes you reluctant about the deal?
the phils work with a limited budget, so young players like them are invaluable resources. cosart and colvin will be top 100 prospects next winter. I wouldn't trade those type of talents for an aging pitcher with a bad back.
singleton is gonna be a monster too. a scout that saw him this summer said he was the best hitter he had seen in the minors since manny ramirez
Fair enough but the team has sold out every game for the last year, I assume they have one of the better TV deals in the game, so they can't be doing badly revenue side. Plus my thing with prospects on big market teams, if these guys are as good as being said, then make sure your scouting department is doing their homework when the draft rolls around next June and then you won't have to worry about losing these prospects in a deal like this.
trading prospects and replacing them with new prospects sets you back though. If you trade a guy in high A and replace him with a 2010 draft pick, the draft pick is already 2 years behind where the guy you traded was.
Phils are maxed out as far as revenue goes. They can't sell more tickets or merch than they are now. only way to increase revenue is a playoff run and/or ticket price hike.
I get your point about trading prospects, but the 3 I listed are the phils best now that brown is up. I would only include them in deals for a small number of MLB guys. oswalt would definitely not be one of those guys
Thanks for clearing that up. I didn't know that about Comcast. But that being said if the deal is up in a few years, the Phillies certainly would have the leverage on their side based on the last few years and if the Oswalt deal works out like they hope, that only adds more leverage (at least my opinion, I have no idea what negotiations for TV rights are like).
Not that I know what tv negotiations are like but would they have leverage over a company that just bought NBC?
that's a good point, but since they negotiated that deal when they were bad, a run of success might help a little, but what do I know?
Reading 2004
Albany 2006 Camden 2006 E. Rutherford 2, 2006 Inglewood 2006,
Chicago 2007
Camden 2008 MSG 2008 MSG 2008 Hartford 2008.
Seattle 2009 Seattle 2009 Philadelphia 2009,Philadelphia 2009 Philadelphia 2009
Hartford 2010 MSG 2010 MSG 2010
Toronto 2011,Toronto 2011
Wrigley Field 2013 Brooklyn 2013 Brooklyn 2013 Philadelphia 2, 2013
Philadelphia 1, 2016 Philadelphia 2 2016 New York 2016 New York 2016 Fenway 1, 2016 Fenway 2, 2018 MSG 2022 St. Paul, 1, St. Paul 2 2023 MSG 2024, MSG 2024 Philadelphia 2024
"I play good, hard-nosed basketball.
Things happen in the game. Nothing you
can do. I don't go and say,
"I'm gonna beat this guy up."
Thanks for clearing that up. I didn't know that about Comcast. But that being said if the deal is up in a few years, the Phillies certainly would have the leverage on their side based on the last few years and if the Oswalt deal works out like they hope, that only adds more leverage (at least my opinion, I have no idea what negotiations for TV rights are like).
Not that I know what tv negotiations are like but would they have leverage over a company that just bought NBC?
That's funny. I read an article that was about the Phillies RSN ratings and such, and an executive speaking on anonymity said "you'd be surprised how little they pay in revenue sharing". I could be mistaken, and it could be meant towards the league.
Thanks for clearing that up. I didn't know that about Comcast. But that being said if the deal is up in a few years, the Phillies certainly would have the leverage on their side based on the last few years and if the Oswalt deal works out like they hope, that only adds more leverage (at least my opinion, I have no idea what negotiations for TV rights are like).
Not that I know what tv negotiations are like but would they have leverage over a company that just bought NBC?
that's a good point, but since they negotiated that deal when they were bad, a run of success might help a little, but what do I know?
True, it will help a little, but it's not like the Phils have other options on where to go or could go and start their own cable network.
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LET'S GO MAKE HISTORY GENTLEMEN...Comments By Jayson Stark
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Roy Oswalt plans to accept his proposed trade to the Philadelphia Phillies, a baseball source who has spoken with Oswalt's camp told ESPN.com Thursday.
Oswalt
Oswalt hasn't officially waived his no-trade clause to OK the deal, the source said. But after considering his options and speaking with friends familiar with the Phillies' situation, the source said the Houston Astros right-hander is prepared to go to Philadelphia.
It was not immediately clear if the Phillies or Astros offered any financial incentives for Oswalt to drop his trade veto rights. The Astros will pay $11 million of the approximately $23 million that the 32-year-old right-hander has guaranteed through 2011, sources said.
In return for Oswalt, the Astros would get back left-handed starter J.A. Happ and two prospects, according to sources.
While the Phillies prospects have not been identified, sources said the Astros have pressed hard for first baseman Jonathan Singleton, considered the team's best minor-league hitting prospect. Singleton is currently at Class A Lakewood in the South Atlantic League, where he was hitting .312 with 18 doubles and 12 home runs as of Thursday.
The agreement on trade terms was first reported by KRIV-TV in Houston
that's a good sign. now just tell me singleton, cosart, colvin not included and I'm on board
Albany 2006 Camden 2006 E. Rutherford 2, 2006 Inglewood 2006,
Chicago 2007
Camden 2008 MSG 2008 MSG 2008 Hartford 2008.
Seattle 2009 Seattle 2009 Philadelphia 2009,Philadelphia 2009 Philadelphia 2009
Hartford 2010 MSG 2010 MSG 2010
Toronto 2011,Toronto 2011
Wrigley Field 2013 Brooklyn 2013 Brooklyn 2013 Philadelphia 2, 2013
Philadelphia 1, 2016 Philadelphia 2 2016 New York 2016 New York 2016 Fenway 1, 2016
Fenway 2, 2018
MSG 2022
St. Paul, 1, St. Paul 2 2023
MSG 2024, MSG 2024
Philadelphia 2024
"I play good, hard-nosed basketball.
Things happen in the game. Nothing you
can do. I don't go and say,
"I'm gonna beat this guy up."
I think there's a big chance Singleton is in there. I'm okay with that.
wait....so we dont have to give him the option??
Nah. 2 mil buyout. Hence, the "option" part. You guys didn't know that from the beginning?
the phils work with a limited budget, so young players like them are invaluable resources. cosart and colvin will be top 100 prospects next winter. I wouldn't trade those type of talents for an aging pitcher with a bad back.
singleton is gonna be a monster too. a scout that saw him this summer said he was the best hitter he had seen in the minors since manny ramirez
Halladay-Hamels-Oswalt
Time for the clever people to come up with nicknames. I'm sure they'll be hilarious. Not really.
My initial gay nickname would be a ROYale with cheese. Get it? GET IT?????
what did you see the package is?
buddy just texted me happ, worley, and gose. Without the option, that would be a tremendous trade for the phils.
Yeah, I just saw that on trade rumors. That would be ridiculously good.
I didn't see anything, was assuming singleton was in it because of what stark said and the $11 mil. Just an assumption. If not hell of a pick up.
Fair enough but the team has sold out every game for the last year, I assume they have one of the better TV deals in the game, so they can't be doing badly revenue side. Plus my thing with prospects on big market teams, if these guys are as good as being said, then make sure your scouting department is doing their homework when the draft rolls around next June and then you won't have to worry about losing these prospects in a deal like this.
Albany 2006 Camden 2006 E. Rutherford 2, 2006 Inglewood 2006,
Chicago 2007
Camden 2008 MSG 2008 MSG 2008 Hartford 2008.
Seattle 2009 Seattle 2009 Philadelphia 2009,Philadelphia 2009 Philadelphia 2009
Hartford 2010 MSG 2010 MSG 2010
Toronto 2011,Toronto 2011
Wrigley Field 2013 Brooklyn 2013 Brooklyn 2013 Philadelphia 2, 2013
Philadelphia 1, 2016 Philadelphia 2 2016 New York 2016 New York 2016 Fenway 1, 2016
Fenway 2, 2018
MSG 2022
St. Paul, 1, St. Paul 2 2023
MSG 2024, MSG 2024
Philadelphia 2024
"I play good, hard-nosed basketball.
Things happen in the game. Nothing you
can do. I don't go and say,
"I'm gonna beat this guy up."
Actually, their tv deal is not one of the better ones is what I'm told from a friend who would know. Comcast got them locked into a lower rate than average for the league back when the Phils weren't that good. Not sure when the deal re-ups though.
- 8/28/98
- 9/2/00
- 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
- 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
- 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
- 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
- 8/2/07, 8/5/07
- 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
- 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
- 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
- 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
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Albany 2006 Camden 2006 E. Rutherford 2, 2006 Inglewood 2006,
Chicago 2007
Camden 2008 MSG 2008 MSG 2008 Hartford 2008.
Seattle 2009 Seattle 2009 Philadelphia 2009,Philadelphia 2009 Philadelphia 2009
Hartford 2010 MSG 2010 MSG 2010
Toronto 2011,Toronto 2011
Wrigley Field 2013 Brooklyn 2013 Brooklyn 2013 Philadelphia 2, 2013
Philadelphia 1, 2016 Philadelphia 2 2016 New York 2016 New York 2016 Fenway 1, 2016
Fenway 2, 2018
MSG 2022
St. Paul, 1, St. Paul 2 2023
MSG 2024, MSG 2024
Philadelphia 2024
"I play good, hard-nosed basketball.
Things happen in the game. Nothing you
can do. I don't go and say,
"I'm gonna beat this guy up."
Not that I know what tv negotiations are like but would they have leverage over a company that just bought NBC?
- 8/28/98
- 9/2/00
- 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
- 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
- 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
- 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
- 8/2/07, 8/5/07
- 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
- 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
- 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
- 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
trading prospects and replacing them with new prospects sets you back though. If you trade a guy in high A and replace him with a 2010 draft pick, the draft pick is already 2 years behind where the guy you traded was.
Phils are maxed out as far as revenue goes. They can't sell more tickets or merch than they are now. only way to increase revenue is a playoff run and/or ticket price hike.
I get your point about trading prospects, but the 3 I listed are the phils best now that brown is up. I would only include them in deals for a small number of MLB guys. oswalt would definitely not be one of those guys
that's a good point, but since they negotiated that deal when they were bad, a run of success might help a little, but what do I know?
Albany 2006 Camden 2006 E. Rutherford 2, 2006 Inglewood 2006,
Chicago 2007
Camden 2008 MSG 2008 MSG 2008 Hartford 2008.
Seattle 2009 Seattle 2009 Philadelphia 2009,Philadelphia 2009 Philadelphia 2009
Hartford 2010 MSG 2010 MSG 2010
Toronto 2011,Toronto 2011
Wrigley Field 2013 Brooklyn 2013 Brooklyn 2013 Philadelphia 2, 2013
Philadelphia 1, 2016 Philadelphia 2 2016 New York 2016 New York 2016 Fenway 1, 2016
Fenway 2, 2018
MSG 2022
St. Paul, 1, St. Paul 2 2023
MSG 2024, MSG 2024
Philadelphia 2024
"I play good, hard-nosed basketball.
Things happen in the game. Nothing you
can do. I don't go and say,
"I'm gonna beat this guy up."
That's funny. I read an article that was about the Phillies RSN ratings and such, and an executive speaking on anonymity said "you'd be surprised how little they pay in revenue sharing". I could be mistaken, and it could be meant towards the league.
True, it will help a little, but it's not like the Phils have other options on where to go or could go and start their own cable network.
- 8/28/98
- 9/2/00
- 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
- 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
- 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
- 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
- 8/2/07, 8/5/07
- 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
- 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
- 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
- 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
You just made my testicles reach my throat. Easy now.
brilliant
hopefully he gets a WS ring this time around
Houston Astros = Philadelphia Phillies AAAA affiliate.
I'm not all warm and fuzzy with Madson and Lidge
The ONLY thing better than a glass of beer is tea with Miss McGill
A protuberance of flesh above the waistband of a tight pair of trousers
No idea what teams look for but this guy needs to go somewhere where he can play:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minor ... zzot001mat
Leads AA in hitting and is obviously blocked in the majors
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- 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
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- 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
- 8/2/07, 8/5/07
- 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
- 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
- 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
- 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13