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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    each of the last few years they hovered around the .500 mark into july. i'm not buying into that "this isn't their year" stuff just yet. but the difference between this year and year's past is we don't have the chips to improve at the trade deadline. we have to hope that happ, j roll, and madsen will be enough....maybe pedro.

    the hitting will come around. these guys are too good not to. my concern is still with the pitching. other than halladay and hamels...there's not much there. moyer and kendrick have been decent but i have no faith in them down the stretch. and blanton has been absolutely terrible.

    the cliff lee trade was awful.
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  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,912
    each of the last few years they hovered around the .500 mark into july. i'm not buying into that "this isn't their year" stuff just yet. but the difference between this year and year's past is we don't have the chips to improve at the trade deadline. we have to hope that happ, j roll, and madsen will be enough....maybe pedro.

    the hitting will come around. these guys are too good not to. my concern is still with the pitching. other than halladay and hamels...there's not much there. moyer and kendrick have been decent but i have no faith in them down the stretch. and blanton has been absolutely terrible.

    the cliff lee trade was awful.

    i don't know, just feels different. the last two years we knew, flat out knew, they were going to win - just had that sense. for some reason this season has a gloom and doom feel to it. hope i'm wrong but can't shake that feeling you know. even last year when they struggled in June just felt they were way better than everyone else in the division and would end up winning. maybe because the division is much improved but i just don't get the feeling this year.
  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    dude there are 100 games left. this team will be fine.

    Only thing I worry about is amaro giving out another ridiculous contract
  • jamminpearls
    jamminpearls Posts: 7,078
    Amaros made two really bad decesions this year imo. Trading away a stud pitcher for 3 so so prospects will haunt me forever. And secondly the brutal bench he put together. These guys are stiffs and something has to be done,because its hard to sit struggling starters when u have trash as there backups.Also If we don't pick it up in the next week or two then I'd get real worried. Its bothersome to me that were this bad this though.
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    pjhawks wrote:
    each of the last few years they hovered around the .500 mark into july. i'm not buying into that "this isn't their year" stuff just yet. but the difference between this year and year's past is we don't have the chips to improve at the trade deadline. we have to hope that happ, j roll, and madsen will be enough....maybe pedro.

    the hitting will come around. these guys are too good not to. my concern is still with the pitching. other than halladay and hamels...there's not much there. moyer and kendrick have been decent but i have no faith in them down the stretch. and blanton has been absolutely terrible.

    the cliff lee trade was awful.

    i don't know, just feels different. the last two years we knew, flat out knew, they were going to win - just had that sense. for some reason this season has a gloom and doom feel to it. hope i'm wrong but can't shake that feeling you know. even last year when they struggled in June just felt they were way better than everyone else in the division and would end up winning. maybe because the division is much improved but i just don't get the feeling this year.

    how did '07 feel this time of year?

    this is a 2nd half team. they're home for like the whole month of august. just gotta weather this storm...
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    apparently the pedro talks have begun...
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  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    apparently the pedro talks have begun...

    I saw that too. I'm not real excited about that, but I guess I'd rather have pedro start a playoff game than moyer or kendrick. In a 7 game series they'd have

    halladay
    hamels
    blanton (I'm not worried about him, I think he turns things around soon)
    happ/pedro/halladay (with halladay possibly pitching games 1, 4, 7).

    Moyer pitching tonight...the game should get an explicit TV rating, not safe for children to watch
  • PureandEasy
    PureandEasy Posts: 5,818
    how did '07 feel this time of year?

    this is a 2nd half team. they're home for like the whole month of august. just gotta weather this storm...

    DEAR GOD I hope you're right, because this is down right painful
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    The Fixer wrote:
    apparently the pedro talks have begun...

    I saw that too. I'm not real excited about that, but I guess I'd rather have pedro start a playoff game than moyer or kendrick. In a 7 game series they'd have

    halladay
    hamels
    blanton (I'm not worried about him, I think he turns things around soon)
    happ/pedro/halladay (with halladay possibly pitching games 1, 4, 7).

    Moyer pitching tonight...the game should get an explicit TV rating, not safe for children to watch

    i hope you're right about blanton. he normally pitches better down the stretch anyway.
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  • Solat13
    Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    Phils record going into 6/16 since 2007:

    2007: 35-32 3rd place 3 games out - went 54-41 the rest of the way to finish in 1st by one game
    2008: 41-30 1st place by 3 games - went 51-40 the rest of the way to finish in 1st by 3 games
    2009: 36-25 1st place by 4 games - went 57-44 rest of the way to finish in 1st by 6 games
    2010: 32-30 3rd place 3.5 games out - to be determined
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
  • PureandEasy
    PureandEasy Posts: 5,818
    Solat13 wrote:
    Phils record going into 6/16 since 2007:

    2007: 35-32 3rd place 3 games out - went 54-41 the rest of the way to finish in 1st by one game
    2008: 41-30 1st place by 3 games - went 51-40 the rest of the way to finish in 1st by 3 games
    2009: 36-25 1st place by 4 games - went 57-44 rest of the way to finish in 1st by 6 games
    2010: 32-30 3rd place 3.5 games out - to be determined

    Then why is this freaking me out so much??
    Don't come closer or I'll have to go
  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,912
    Solat13 wrote:
    Phils record going into 6/16 since 2007:

    2007: 35-32 3rd place 3 games out - went 54-41 the rest of the way to finish in 1st by one game
    2008: 41-30 1st place by 3 games - went 51-40 the rest of the way to finish in 1st by 3 games
    2009: 36-25 1st place by 4 games - went 57-44 rest of the way to finish in 1st by 6 games
    2010: 32-30 3rd place 3.5 games out - to be determined

    well this is the worst record we have had and the most games out at this time in the 4 years you list - so i would say it's not quite the same as the last 3 years. and we are currently in 3rd place and closer to last than 1st - just saying.
  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    pjhawks wrote:
    Solat13 wrote:
    Phils record going into 6/16 since 2007:

    2007: 35-32 3rd place 3 games out - went 54-41 the rest of the way to finish in 1st by one game
    2008: 41-30 1st place by 3 games - went 51-40 the rest of the way to finish in 1st by 3 games
    2009: 36-25 1st place by 4 games - went 57-44 rest of the way to finish in 1st by 6 games
    2010: 32-30 3rd place 3.5 games out - to be determined

    well this is the worst record we have had and the most games out at this time in the 4 years you list - so i would say it's not quite the same as the last 3 years. and we are currently in 3rd place and closer to last than 1st - just saying.

    2 points...

    1 - the phils have had more key injuries to deal with this year than they had combined in 2007-2009 (lidge, happ, madson, blanton, rollins, polanco, ruiz, romero). they were fortunate with injuries during the last few years.

    2 - this slump has been brutal, but I think it's been overblown by the bandwagon media and fans that are suddenly interested in this team. philly has always been a football town. with that comes the belief that getting swept in a 3 game series is the end of the world. this couldn't be further from the truth...baseball is a long season. there are bound to be peaks and valleys to every season.

    This team is too talented to continue playing like this (assuming they're healthy). They've been awful for a month, but they are getting healthy.

    and let's keep things in perspective here...they're only 3.5 games out of first place. and it's not like they're chasing the 1927 yankees. atlanta is good...the rest of the division is average.

    Let's see how the next 2 months go before we start reaching for the panic button
  • neilybabes86
    neilybabes86 Posts: 16,057
    at least moyer is pitching tonight
    i post on the board of a band that doesn't exsist anymore .......i need my head examined.......
  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,912
    The Fixer wrote:
    pjhawks wrote:
    Solat13 wrote:
    Phils record going into 6/16 since 2007:

    2007: 35-32 3rd place 3 games out - went 54-41 the rest of the way to finish in 1st by one game
    2008: 41-30 1st place by 3 games - went 51-40 the rest of the way to finish in 1st by 3 games
    2009: 36-25 1st place by 4 games - went 57-44 rest of the way to finish in 1st by 6 games
    2010: 32-30 3rd place 3.5 games out - to be determined

    well this is the worst record we have had and the most games out at this time in the 4 years you list - so i would say it's not quite the same as the last 3 years. and we are currently in 3rd place and closer to last than 1st - just saying.

    2 points...

    1 - the phils have had more key injuries to deal with this year than they had combined in 2007-2009 (lidge, happ, madson, blanton, rollins, polanco, ruiz, romero). they were fortunate with injuries during the last few years.

    2 - this slump has been brutal, but I think it's been overblown by the bandwagon media and fans that are suddenly interested in this team. philly has always been a football town. with that comes the belief that getting swept in a 3 game series is the end of the world. this couldn't be further from the truth...baseball is a long season. there are bound to be peaks and valleys to every season.

    This team is too talented to continue playing like this (assuming they're healthy). They've been awful for a month, but they are getting healthy.

    and let's keep things in perspective here...they're only 3.5 games out of first place. and it's not like they're chasing the 1927 yankees. atlanta is good...the rest of the division is average.

    Let's see how the next 2 months go before we start reaching for the panic button

    not saying you're wrong and not saying they won't turn it around - just that my sense is this is not good and for some reason i dread this so-called slump more than other years. i just have a bad feeling about this season that i can't shake.
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    fixer makes good points...except there is no overblowing a slump that has now lasted a full month. and its not just local media talking about.

    when the whole lineup 1-8 just stops hitting and producing runs at the same exact time, for a full month that's gonna get people's attention. i can't recal a time even during the lean 90's when everyone slumped at the same time. those teams just didnt have talent and always sucked. this team is stacked and they are playing like those teams. you just don't see this too often.
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  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,530
    at least moyer is pitching tonight

    Indeed.
  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,530
    I hear Phils went all jobu.jpg

    I like it.

    BARTENDER, Jobu needs a refill.
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    LIGHTS

    OUT
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  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    oh man...


    If you polled some of the scouts who do the divisional coverage and ask them which player they respect the most, a lot of votes would go to Chase Utley, because the scouts are convinced that he plays through injuries as much as anybody in the game -- without complaining, without talking about his ailments, without making excuses.

    And right now, a lot of those evaluators are convinced that he is not close to being 100 percent physically.

    Two years ago, one scout noticed in June that Utley did not seem right, and at season's end, Utley had hip surgery. And the same scout is seeing a lot of the same things this season. "The tell-tale sign for me is how he is not getting to pitches in the lower half of the strike zone, which makes me wonder if his (perceived injury) might be affecting his balance at the plate," said the scout. "He's a guy who has always thrived on balls in the lower half of the strike zone -- he murders them -- and he's just not getting to them these days."

    Said a rival executive: "He just does not look right to me at all."
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