"They've got real holes over there, and I know they need a starting pitcher," one executive said. "But I think their lineup is as much of a problem now [as the pitching questions]. If they got two Roy Oswalts, I'm not sure it would make a difference."
That lineup is not scary, even next year.
not if guys start hitting to their potential again...utley hopefully will be back in a month or so too. definitely next year.
I don't think that lineup is very scary.
SS Jimmy Rollins: Switch-hitter: Good
3B Placido Polanco: Right-handed: Very consistent
2B Chase Utley: Left-handed: outstanding
1B Ryan Howard: Left-handed: Very good
CF Shane Victorino: Switch-hitter: Edit this to decent, not as good as people think,not as bad as I think.
RF Domonic Brown: Left-handed: Who knows? Certaintly not Werth
LF Raul Ibanez: Left-handed: Not good
C Carlos Ruiz: Right-handed: I know you guys love him but not very good offensively.
I know Werth has been terrible, but can someone answer me this question, if Werth is traded, will Howard see a strike the rest of the season in a big spot.
I mean with with either Raul, Victorino, Brown, or Francisco batting 5th the rest of the year, why would a pitcher give Howard a pitch to hit.
I think that lineup protection stuff is bull shit. who hit behind howard the year he won MVP? (burrell, who didn't even hit his weight). who hit behind pujols before they got holliday?
that stuff doesn't matter. but I'm the guy that's shocked if any pitcher throws howard a fastball in any situation
The year Howard won the MVP, Burrell hit .258/.388/.502/.890 with 29 homers and 95 rbis
Can anyone of the 4 I mentioned step in and do that now?
I know Werth has been terrible, but can someone answer me this question, if Werth is traded, will Howard see a strike the rest of the season in a big spot.
I mean with with either Raul, Victorino, Brown, or Francisco batting 5th the rest of the year, why would a pitcher give Howard a pitch to hit.
I think that lineup protection stuff is bull shit. who hit behind howard the year he won MVP? (burrell, who didn't even hit his weight). who hit behind pujols before they got holliday?
that stuff doesn't matter. but I'm the guy that's shocked if any pitcher throws howard a fastball in any situation
2005 Pujols won the MVP with Jim Edmonds hitting behind him .263/.385/.533/.918 39 HR and 89 rbis
2008 Pujols won the MVP with the platoon of Ludwick 37 HR 113 Rbis .299/.375/.591/.966 and Ankiel 25 HR and 71 rbis .264/.337/.506/.843 hitting behind him. Larussa would flip flop them depending who was pitching
Last year Ludwick got off to a slow start and they got Holliday.
I know Werth has been terrible, but can someone answer me this question, if Werth is traded, will Howard see a strike the rest of the season in a big spot.
I mean with with either Raul, Victorino, Brown, or Francisco batting 5th the rest of the year, why would a pitcher give Howard a pitch to hit.
I think that lineup protection stuff is bull shit. who hit behind howard the year he won MVP? (burrell, who didn't even hit his weight). who hit behind pujols before they got holliday?
that stuff doesn't matter. but I'm the guy that's shocked if any pitcher throws howard a fastball in any situation
The year Howard won the MVP, Burrell hit .258/.388/.502/.890 with 29 homers and 95 rbis
Can anyone of the 4 I mentioned step in and do that now?
touche on burrells stats that year. thought that was the year he really sucked.
and to answer your question, of course not.
I think the projected lineup for 2011 would score enough runs though. especially if the rotation is improved. Assuming they acquire a top notch SP, the rotation would be solid 1-4 (yes, I'm including blanton, who I think will be fine -- especially as a 4th starter)
I know Werth has been terrible, but can someone answer me this question, if Werth is traded, will Howard see a strike the rest of the season in a big spot.
I mean with with either Raul, Victorino, Brown, or Francisco batting 5th the rest of the year, why would a pitcher give Howard a pitch to hit.
I think that lineup protection stuff is bull shit. who hit behind howard the year he won MVP? (burrell, who didn't even hit his weight). who hit behind pujols before they got holliday?
that stuff doesn't matter. but I'm the guy that's shocked if any pitcher throws howard a fastball in any situation
2005 Pujols won the MVP with Jim Edmonds hitting behind him .263/.385/.533/.918 39 HR and 89 rbis
2008 Pujols won the MVP with the platoon of Ludwick 37 HR 113 Rbis .299/.375/.591/.966 and Ankiel 25 HR and 71 rbis .264/.337/.506/.843 hitting behind him. Larussa would flip flop them depending who was pitching
Last year Ludwick got off to a slow start and they got Holliday.
my point was both howard and pujols have had good seasons with turds hitting behind them. I think that lineup protection stuff is garbage
barry bonds is another example (though he is admittedly on a different level)
I think the projected lineup for 2011 would score enough runs though. especially if the rotation is improved. Assuming they acquire a top notch SP, the rotation would be solid 1-4 (yes, I'm including blanton, who I think will be fine -- especially as a 4th starter)
I think you guys are much better off by trying to pry one of the Rays pitchers away. It leaves some payroll flexibility to fix things. That would be a scary team for a few years.
This from a Yankees site, an outsideers perspective:
As far as we know, the deals are not close, but Tampa certainly has the pieces to get a Werth deal done. Given their respective track records, Andrew Friedman will probably take Ruben Amaro to the cleaners if the trade does in fact happen
not if guys start hitting to their potential again...utley hopefully will be back in a month or so too. definitely next year.
I don't think that lineup is very scary.
SS Jimmy Rollins: Switch-hitter: Good
3B Placido Polanco: Right-handed: Very consistent
2B Chase Utley: Left-handed: outstanding
1B Ryan Howard: Left-handed: Very good
CF Shane Victorino: Switch-hitter: Edit this to decent, not as good as people think,not as bad as I think.
RF Domonic Brown: Left-handed: Who knows? Certaintly not Werth
LF Raul Ibanez: Left-handed: Not good
C Carlos Ruiz: Right-handed: I know you guys love him but not very good offensively.
its a decent lineup if everyone plays to their capabilities (except raul). its not as good as it was...but your rotation would be a lot better so they wouldnt have to wallop teams to win. under the circumstances, i'd be okay with this.
not if guys start hitting to their potential again...utley hopefully will be back in a month or so too. definitely next year.
I don't think that lineup is very scary.
SS Jimmy Rollins: Switch-hitter: Good
3B Placido Polanco: Right-handed: Very consistent
2B Chase Utley: Left-handed: outstanding
1B Ryan Howard: Left-handed: Very good
CF Shane Victorino: Switch-hitter: Edit this to decent, not as good as people think,not as bad as I think.
RF Domonic Brown: Left-handed: Who knows? Certaintly not Werth
LF Raul Ibanez: Left-handed: Not good
C Carlos Ruiz: Right-handed: I know you guys love him but not very good offensively.
its a decent lineup if everyone plays to their capabilities (except raul). its not as good as it was...but your rotation would be a lot better so they wouldnt have to wallop teams to win. under the circumstances, i'd be okay with this.
agreed. and I think people discount francisco. I like the guy. He should get more ABs (especially vs lefties), but manuel insists on playing ibanez. I just don't get it
its a decent lineup if everyone plays to their capabilities (except raul). its not as good as it was...but your rotation would be a lot better so they wouldnt have to wallop teams to win. under the circumstances, i'd be okay with this.
agreed. and I think people discount francisco. I like the guy. He should get more ABs (especially vs lefties), but manuel insists on playing ibanez. I just don't get it
Cliffy, you keep reiterating that this lineup isn't that scary. You do realize that this team was leading the NL in runs when it had a lineup that continually had a bat like Ruiz, Abraham Nunez, Wes Helms, Pat Burrell always in there. They'll be fine. The key to turning this around is frontline pitching and a better bench. It's just that fact of the matter is this team is not producing whatsoever right now. This team was leading the leaguein runs scored with lineup that had a vast dropoff after 1-5 for many years.
Cliffy, you keep reiterating that this lineup isn't that scary. You do realize that this team was leading the NL in runs when it had a lineup that continually had a bat like Ruiz, Abraham Nunez, Wes Helms, Pat Burrell always in there. They'll be fine. The key to turning this around is frontline pitching and a better bench. It's just that fact of the matter is this team is not producing whatsoever right now. This team was leading the leaguein runs scored with lineup that had a vast dropoff after 1-5 for many years.
I got that. I just don't think very highly of Victorino so that leaves the lineup with a strong 1-4 and very questionable 5-8. In the NL you can get away with that but if someone in the top disappears, they are in trouble like this yeear
Cliffy, you keep reiterating that this lineup isn't that scary. You do realize that this team was leading the NL in runs when it had a lineup that continually had a bat like Ruiz, Abraham Nunez, Wes Helms, Pat Burrell always in there. They'll be fine. The key to turning this around is frontline pitching and a better bench. It's just that fact of the matter is this team is not producing whatsoever right now. This team was leading the leaguein runs scored with lineup that had a vast dropoff after 1-5 for many years.
I got that. I just don't think very highly of Victorino so that leaves the lineup with a strong 1-4 and very questionable 5-8. In the NL you can get away with that but if someone in the top disappears, they are in trouble like this yeear
Yeah, another reason they had success over the past few years - hardly any injuries. And Victorino is trying to play above his game. He should be trying to hit it up the middle and be dragging the ball down the line. There's no reason for him to ever his 5 in the lineup. 1,2, 6, 7. Those are his places in the lineup, and he should act accordingly. And they need to get a solid platoon going in the outfield again, where Francisco gives each of the outfielders a day off. They'll get someone to fill that 5 hole in the offseason.
Cliffy, you keep reiterating that this lineup isn't that scary. You do realize that this team was leading the NL in runs when it had a lineup that continually had a bat like Ruiz, Abraham Nunez, Wes Helms, Pat Burrell always in there. They'll be fine. The key to turning this around is frontline pitching and a better bench. It's just that fact of the matter is this team is not producing whatsoever right now. This team was leading the leaguein runs scored with lineup that had a vast dropoff after 1-5 for many years.
I got that. I just don't think very highly of Victorino so that leaves the lineup with a strong 1-4 and very questionable 5-8. In the NL you can get away with that but if someone in the top disappears, they are in trouble like this yeear
Yeah, another reason they had success over the past few years - hardly any injuries. And Victorino is trying to play above his game. He should be trying to hit it up the middle and be dragging the ball down the line. There's no reason for him to ever his 5 in the lineup. 1,2, 6, 7. Those are his places in the lineup, and he should act accordingly. And they need to get a solid platoon going in the outfield again, where Francisco gives each of the outfielders a day off. They'll get someone to fill that 5 hole in the offseason.
For sure, the Phillies had a lot of players with career years and stayed very healthy which is exactly what you need to make a run like they did. I think a lot of players on the Phillies are probably pressing right now and Victorino is probably the worst but I don't see them play enough to know for sure. He definitely needs to know his game and stick to it.
Oswalt wants his option picked up to waive his no trade clause. I bet that is a deal breaker.
you had to think the phils would know this though. unless amaro is a bigger idiot than we thought.
i would assume we'd be prepared to do that. all these talks would be a waste of time otherwise
You think they would be willing to commit $38 to Oswalt through 2012? If they want a committment that long they should go after Haren who is less expensive.
Oswalt wants his option picked up to waive his no trade clause. I bet that is a deal breaker.
you had to think the phils would know this though. unless amaro is a bigger idiot than we thought.
i would assume we'd be prepared to do that. all these talks would be a waste of time otherwise
Apparently the Stros had scout Doug Brocail out to watch Happ pitch. I'm assuming this is done deal if they get pass this impasse of the option. I would hope they pick it up. From what I've read, they don't want just help in 2011, but the following season. I guess we'll see. And just like last year, Amaro had a backup plan to get Lee. If they have a plan to get Oswalt, I would assume they have a contingency plan to get Haren.
Oswalt wants his option picked up to waive his no trade clause. I bet that is a deal breaker.
you had to think the phils would know this though. unless amaro is a bigger idiot than we thought.
i would assume we'd be prepared to do that. all these talks would be a waste of time otherwise
Apparently the Stros had scout Doug Brocail out to watch Happ pitch. I'm assuming this is done deal if they get pass this impasse of the option. I would hope they pick it up. From what I've read, they don't want just help in 2011, but the following season. I guess we'll see. And just like last year, Amaro had a backup plan to get Lee. If they have a plan to get Oswalt, I would assume they have a contingency plan to get Haren.
You do realize committing to 2012 will put the Phillie obligations in 2012 at $102 mil for just 9 players. That is not a good thing for any team working on a budget. That would be second to only the Yankees. Give up more and get a younger pitcher. This is shit the Yankees did few years ago. Roy Oswalt is not going to be worth $16 mil in 2012. The Phillies will have no flexibility.
Stark was just on 97.5 and said the option is a deal breaker and that it would be a 2 team trade only.39 mill is not that bad for a top pitcher for 2 and a half years imo. 7 mill this year 16 the next two is good for a #1 pitcher. He also said we have the best or highiest rated prospects in A ball and below. RUBEN do it now,and any werth trade would be seperate.
Apparently the Stros had scout Doug Brocail out to watch Happ pitch. I'm assuming this is done deal if they get pass this impasse of the option. I would hope they pick it up. From what I've read, they don't want just help in 2011, but the following season. I guess we'll see. And just like last year, Amaro had a backup plan to get Lee. If they have a plan to get Oswalt, I would assume they have a contingency plan to get Haren.
You do realize committing to 2012 will put the Phillie obligations in 2012 at $102 mil for just 9 players. That is not a good thing for any team working on a budget. That would be second to only the Yankees. Give up more and get a younger pitcher. This is shit the Yankees did few years ago. Roy Oswalt is not going to be worth $16 mil in 2012. The Phillies will have no flexibility.
same team that committed 125m to howard. their budget might be loosening a bit. maybe ed wade will pay some of his salary...we'll see...
you had to think the phils would know this though. unless amaro is a bigger idiot than we thought.
i would assume we'd be prepared to do that. all these talks would be a waste of time otherwise
Apparently the Stros had scout Doug Brocail out to watch Happ pitch. I'm assuming this is done deal if they get pass this impasse of the option. I would hope they pick it up. From what I've read, they don't want just help in 2011, but the following season. I guess we'll see. And just like last year, Amaro had a backup plan to get Lee. If they have a plan to get Oswalt, I would assume they have a contingency plan to get Haren.
You do realize committing to 2012 will put the Phillie obligations in 2012 at $102 mil for just 9 players. That is not a good thing for any team working on a budget. That would be second to only the Yankees. Give up more and get a younger pitcher. This is shit the Yankees did few years ago. Roy Oswalt is not going to be worth $16 mil in 2012. The Phillies will have no flexibility.
That's the thing. Will he still have a no-trade clause? If there was a way of exercising the option, yet leaving yourself open to trading him after 2011 season?
Also, the more I look at the chance of trading away Werth and acquiring Upton the more I LOVE it. That would be a great deal in my eyes. As long as RAJ doesn't get fleeced like a weedle bitch.
Stark was just on 97.5 and said the option is a deal breaker and that it would be a 2 team trade only.39 mill is not that bad for a top pitcher for 2 and a half years imo. 7 mill this year 16 the next two is good for a #1 pitcher. He also said we have the best or highiest rated prospects in A ball and below. RUBEN do it now,and any werth trade would be seperate.
Oswalt is not going to be worth $16 mil in 2012. Look at what I posted above. They will have $102 mil allocated for 9 players.
You do realize committing to 2012 will put the Phillie obligations in 2012 at $102 mil for just 9 players. That is not a good thing for any team working on a budget. That would be second to only the Yankees. Give up more and get a younger pitcher. This is shit the Yankees did few years ago. Roy Oswalt is not going to be worth $16 mil in 2012. The Phillies will have no flexibility.
That's the thing. Will he still have a no-trade clause? If there was a way of exercising the option, yet leaving yourself open to trading him after 2011 season?
Also, the more I look at the chance of trading away Werth and acquiring Upton the more I LOVE it. That would be a great deal in my eyes. As long as RAJ doesn't get fleeced like a weedle bitch.
Yes, he will still have the clause I believe. I am pretty sure the contract stays in place, the team responsible just changes.
That $102 mil I mentioned does not include Hamels, so add another $12-$15 to that at least. $117 for 9 players actually. I originally counted Lidges $1.5 Mil buyout.
If they pick up the Oswalt option. It will be close to $120 mil to 9 players. That is just not feasible for the Phillies.
You do realize committing to 2012 will put the Phillie obligations in 2012 at $102 mil for just 9 players. That is not a good thing for any team working on a budget. That would be second to only the Yankees. Give up more and get a younger pitcher. This is shit the Yankees did few years ago. Roy Oswalt is not going to be worth $16 mil in 2012. The Phillies will have no flexibility.
That's the thing. Will he still have a no-trade clause? If there was a way of exercising the option, yet leaving yourself open to trading him after 2011 season?
Also, the more I look at the chance of trading away Werth and acquiring Upton the more I LOVE it. That would be a great deal in my eyes. As long as RAJ doesn't get fleeced like a weedle bitch.
Yes, he will still have the clause I believe. I am pretty sure the contract stays in place, the team responsible just changes.
I read the Rays said no to that.
That'd be nasty though. I know Upton's a punk, but at 25, I believe under arbitration control for the next two years, and with an outfield of Upton, Vic, and Brown would be just fine by me.
That'd be nasty though. I know Upton's a punk, but at 25, I believe under arbitration control for the next two years, and with an outfield of Upton, Vic, and Brown would be just fine by me.
I am pretty sure he is under control for 2 more years and yeah, if Victorino, Rollins and him could get on base consistently, it would pretty crazy.
That'd be nasty though. I know Upton's a punk, but at 25, I believe under arbitration control for the next two years, and with an outfield of Upton, Vic, and Brown would be just fine by me.
I am pretty sure he is under control for 2 more years and yeah, if Victorino, Rollins and him could get on base consistently, it would pretty crazy.
Yep, he's got two more years of arb until he's a free agent in 2013.
That'd be nasty though. I know Upton's a punk, but at 25, I believe under arbitration control for the next two years, and with an outfield of Upton, Vic, and Brown would be just fine by me.
I am pretty sure he is under control for 2 more years and yeah, if Victorino, Rollins and him could get on base consistently, it would pretty crazy.
And I gotta say, Rollins at 8.5 mil is a super deal. What ya think he gets past 2011? 13-16 mil per?
That'd be nasty though. I know Upton's a punk, but at 25, I believe under arbitration control for the next two years, and with an outfield of Upton, Vic, and Brown would be just fine by me.
I am pretty sure he is under control for 2 more years and yeah, if Victorino, Rollins and him could get on base consistently, it would pretty crazy.
And I gotta say, Rollins at 8.5 mil is a super deal. What ya think he gets past 2011? 13-16 mil per?
No way he gets 13-16 as a 33 year old SS unless a team severely overpays or he gets his stroke back from 2007.
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I don't think that lineup is very scary.
SS Jimmy Rollins: Switch-hitter: Good
3B Placido Polanco: Right-handed: Very consistent
2B Chase Utley: Left-handed: outstanding
1B Ryan Howard: Left-handed: Very good
CF Shane Victorino: Switch-hitter: Edit this to decent, not as good as people think,not as bad as I think.
RF Domonic Brown: Left-handed: Who knows? Certaintly not Werth
LF Raul Ibanez: Left-handed: Not good
C Carlos Ruiz: Right-handed: I know you guys love him but not very good offensively.
The year Howard won the MVP, Burrell hit .258/.388/.502/.890 with 29 homers and 95 rbis
Can anyone of the 4 I mentioned step in and do that now?
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2005 Pujols won the MVP with Jim Edmonds hitting behind him .263/.385/.533/.918 39 HR and 89 rbis
2008 Pujols won the MVP with the platoon of Ludwick 37 HR 113 Rbis .299/.375/.591/.966 and Ankiel 25 HR and 71 rbis .264/.337/.506/.843 hitting behind him. Larussa would flip flop them depending who was pitching
Last year Ludwick got off to a slow start and they got Holliday.
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touche on burrells stats that year. thought that was the year he really sucked.
and to answer your question, of course not.
I think the projected lineup for 2011 would score enough runs though. especially if the rotation is improved. Assuming they acquire a top notch SP, the rotation would be solid 1-4 (yes, I'm including blanton, who I think will be fine -- especially as a 4th starter)
my point was both howard and pujols have had good seasons with turds hitting behind them. I think that lineup protection stuff is garbage
barry bonds is another example (though he is admittedly on a different level)
I think you guys are much better off by trying to pry one of the Rays pitchers away. It leaves some payroll flexibility to fix things. That would be a scary team for a few years.
This from a Yankees site, an outsideers perspective:
As far as we know, the deals are not close, but Tampa certainly has the pieces to get a Werth deal done. Given their respective track records, Andrew Friedman will probably take Ruben Amaro to the cleaners if the trade does in fact happen
its a decent lineup if everyone plays to their capabilities (except raul). its not as good as it was...but your rotation would be a lot better so they wouldnt have to wallop teams to win. under the circumstances, i'd be okay with this.
agreed. and I think people discount francisco. I like the guy. He should get more ABs (especially vs lefties), but manuel insists on playing ibanez. I just don't get it
stop agreeing with me so much.
Cliffy, you keep reiterating that this lineup isn't that scary. You do realize that this team was leading the NL in runs when it had a lineup that continually had a bat like Ruiz, Abraham Nunez, Wes Helms, Pat Burrell always in there. They'll be fine. The key to turning this around is frontline pitching and a better bench. It's just that fact of the matter is this team is not producing whatsoever right now. This team was leading the leaguein runs scored with lineup that had a vast dropoff after 1-5 for many years.
I got that. I just don't think very highly of Victorino so that leaves the lineup with a strong 1-4 and very questionable 5-8. In the NL you can get away with that but if someone in the top disappears, they are in trouble like this yeear
Yeah, another reason they had success over the past few years - hardly any injuries. And Victorino is trying to play above his game. He should be trying to hit it up the middle and be dragging the ball down the line. There's no reason for him to ever his 5 in the lineup. 1,2, 6, 7. Those are his places in the lineup, and he should act accordingly. And they need to get a solid platoon going in the outfield again, where Francisco gives each of the outfielders a day off. They'll get someone to fill that 5 hole in the offseason.
For sure, the Phillies had a lot of players with career years and stayed very healthy which is exactly what you need to make a run like they did. I think a lot of players on the Phillies are probably pressing right now and Victorino is probably the worst but I don't see them play enough to know for sure. He definitely needs to know his game and stick to it.
you had to think the phils would know this though. unless amaro is a bigger idiot than we thought.
i would assume we'd be prepared to do that. all these talks would be a waste of time otherwise
You think they would be willing to commit $38 to Oswalt through 2012? If they want a committment that long they should go after Haren who is less expensive.
Apparently the Stros had scout Doug Brocail out to watch Happ pitch. I'm assuming this is done deal if they get pass this impasse of the option. I would hope they pick it up. From what I've read, they don't want just help in 2011, but the following season. I guess we'll see. And just like last year, Amaro had a backup plan to get Lee. If they have a plan to get Oswalt, I would assume they have a contingency plan to get Haren.
You do realize committing to 2012 will put the Phillie obligations in 2012 at $102 mil for just 9 players. That is not a good thing for any team working on a budget. That would be second to only the Yankees. Give up more and get a younger pitcher. This is shit the Yankees did few years ago. Roy Oswalt is not going to be worth $16 mil in 2012. The Phillies will have no flexibility.
same team that committed 125m to howard. their budget might be loosening a bit. maybe ed wade will pay some of his salary...we'll see...
That's the thing. Will he still have a no-trade clause? If there was a way of exercising the option, yet leaving yourself open to trading him after 2011 season?
Also, the more I look at the chance of trading away Werth and acquiring Upton the more I LOVE it. That would be a great deal in my eyes. As long as RAJ doesn't get fleeced like a weedle bitch.
Oswalt is not going to be worth $16 mil in 2012. Look at what I posted above. They will have $102 mil allocated for 9 players.
Yes, he will still have the clause I believe. I am pretty sure the contract stays in place, the team responsible just changes.
I read the Rays said no to that.
If they pick up the Oswalt option. It will be close to $120 mil to 9 players. That is just not feasible for the Phillies.
Edit: That also does not include a shortstop.
That'd be nasty though. I know Upton's a punk, but at 25, I believe under arbitration control for the next two years, and with an outfield of Upton, Vic, and Brown would be just fine by me.
I am pretty sure he is under control for 2 more years and yeah, if Victorino, Rollins and him could get on base consistently, it would pretty crazy.
Roy Oswalt
2004: 6.4 WAR
2005: 6.1 WAR
2006: 5.7 WAR
2007: 4.6 WAR
2008: 3.6 WAR
2009: 3.1 WAR
Not a good idea to pick up the option.
Yep, he's got two more years of arb until he's a free agent in 2013.
- 8/28/98
- 9/2/00
- 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
- 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
- 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
- 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
- 8/2/07, 8/5/07
- 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
- 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
- 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
- 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
And I gotta say, Rollins at 8.5 mil is a super deal. What ya think he gets past 2011? 13-16 mil per?
No way he gets 13-16 as a 33 year old SS unless a team severely overpays or he gets his stroke back from 2007.
- 8/28/98
- 9/2/00
- 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
- 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
- 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
- 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
- 8/2/07, 8/5/07
- 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
- 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
- 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
- 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13