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  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,955
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    pjhawks wrote:

    watching last night couldn't help but think that some on here think Utley's double was better than Howard's home run - you know because of on-base percentage is more important than runs.

    You are completely missing the point. A player that can do lots of things well is better than a player that can do one thing well.

    nah i'm just tweaking you guys a bit. Love Utley as well. Never said he wasn't better all around than Howard.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,036
    pjhawks wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    pjhawks wrote:

    watching last night couldn't help but think that some on here think Utley's double was better than Howard's home run - you know because of on-base percentage is more important than runs.

    You are completely missing the point. A player that can do lots of things well is better than a player that can do one thing well.

    nah i'm just tweaking you guys a bit. Love Utley as well. Never said he wasn't better all around than Howard.

    haha, fair enough. I was really hoping we were not going to get into this again.
  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    The Jeagler wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:
    The Jeagler wrote:
    thank god for the rain.

    hamels gives up a 3 run bomb and it then the heavens open up.....hopefully this game gets rained out. we could sure use it the way we're going right now....

    how many hits have you gotten in the last week?

    me personally? :problem:

    well i know i was only 2 behind how many howard and utley had in the last week going into last night. crazy....how bout you?

    yeah, you said 'the way we're hitting' so I figured you were on the team. I'm not on the team
  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    The Jeagler wrote:
    eeriepadave wrote:
    still waiting for the offense to wake up :roll:

    at least howard broke the teams homer-less streak. longest since 19-fucking-'99

    it's insane though. utley's like 9 for his last 50 and is hitting just .276...werth's average has dropped from .350 to .295...and howard's has dropped from .312 to .280---all in the last couple weeks. they did get double digit hits for the first time in a while last night.

    i have no doubt we will break out of this sooner than later. but it's really just baffling that,as good as we are, the whole team at the same time can go into such a huge prolonged slump.

    anyone know when j-roll is going to try and come back again?

    it's still early in the year bro. don't worry about stats

    rollins is expected to be back around 6/7 or 6/8...he's gonna be in clearwater for rehab this weekend/early next week
  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    pjhawks wrote:
    The Jeagler wrote:
    eeriepadave wrote:
    still waiting for the offense to wake up :roll:

    at least howard broke the teams homer-less streak. longest since 19-fucking-'99

    it's insane though. utley's like 9 for his last 50 and is hitting just .276...werth's average has dropped from .350 to .295...and howard's has dropped from .312 to .280---all in the last couple weeks. they did get double digit hits for the first time in a while last night.

    i have no doubt we will break out of this sooner than later. but it's really just baffling that,as good as we are, the whole team at the same time can go into such a huge prolonged slump.

    anyone know when j-roll is going to try and come back again?

    watching last night couldn't help but think that some on here think Utley's double was better than Howard's home run - you know because of on-base percentage is more important than runs.

    honestly for the 1st time starting to get worried about this team. offense has been brutal but it's taken some of the attention off the brutal base-running and defense they have played as well. not a good couple of weeks.

    howard can't hold utleys jock. seriously, howard has been the worst of everyone on the team over the last 10 days between his strikeouts, failure to drive in runs with guys on 3rd and less than 2 out, and his atrocious defense (that play on monday just made me laugh). He SUCKS in the field...absolutely sucks

    but he hits a home run and you insinuate that he's better than utley. ridiculous
  • SPEEDY MCCREADY
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  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,955
    The Fixer wrote:
    howard can't hold utleys jock. seriously, howard has been the worst of everyone on the team over the last 10 days between his strikeouts, failure to drive in runs with guys on 3rd and less than 2 out, and his atrocious defense (that play on monday just made me laugh). He SUCKS in the field...absolutely sucks

    but he hits a home run and you insinuate that he's better than utley. ridiculous

    lighten up Francis - read the next two posts after that - i was just having some fun tweaking you guys.
  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    pjhawks wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:
    howard can't hold utleys jock. seriously, howard has been the worst of everyone on the team over the last 10 days between his strikeouts, failure to drive in runs with guys on 3rd and less than 2 out, and his atrocious defense (that play on monday just made me laugh). He SUCKS in the field...absolutely sucks

    but he hits a home run and you insinuate that he's better than utley. ridiculous

    lighten up Francis - read the next two posts after that - i was just having some fun tweaking you guys.

    ah, well played mauer...

    they should let howard play the field with a lacrosse stick instead of a glove
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    The Fixer wrote:
    The Jeagler wrote:
    eeriepadave wrote:
    still waiting for the offense to wake up :roll:

    at least howard broke the teams homer-less streak. longest since 19-fucking-'99

    it's insane though. utley's like 9 for his last 50 and is hitting just .276...werth's average has dropped from .350 to .295...and howard's has dropped from .312 to .280---all in the last couple weeks. they did get double digit hits for the first time in a while last night.

    i have no doubt we will break out of this sooner than later. but it's really just baffling that,as good as we are, the whole team at the same time can go into such a huge prolonged slump.

    anyone know when j-roll is going to try and come back again?

    it's still early in the year bro. don't worry about stats

    this coming from the biggest stat geek on here :lol::lol::lol::lol:

    my point was not about their stats, just to illustrate how horrific this slump has been.
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  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    The Jeagler wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:
    The Jeagler wrote:

    at least howard broke the teams homer-less streak. longest since 19-fucking-'99

    it's insane though. utley's like 9 for his last 50 and is hitting just .276...werth's average has dropped from .350 to .295...and howard's has dropped from .312 to .280---all in the last couple weeks. they did get double digit hits for the first time in a while last night.

    i have no doubt we will break out of this sooner than later. but it's really just baffling that,as good as we are, the whole team at the same time can go into such a huge prolonged slump.

    anyone know when j-roll is going to try and come back again?

    it's still early in the year bro. don't worry about stats

    this coming from the biggest stat geek on here :lol::lol::lol::lol:

    I honestly don't look at individual stats much. When I do though I know which ones are important and which ones are useless
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    The Fixer wrote:
    The Jeagler wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:

    it's still early in the year bro. don't worry about stats

    this coming from the biggest stat geek on here :lol::lol::lol::lol:

    I honestly don't look at individual stats much. When I do though I know which ones are important and which ones are useless

    80% of the stuff you post about here seems to be individual stats dude. and that's hardly an exageration.

    and batting average...yeah, still a pretty good stat to go by.

    regardless, my point was how horrific a slump they're in...and it looks like it is continuing today unfortunately. damn it.
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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,036
    edited June 2010
    Phillies play a day game today?

    Edit: Fired up the old mlb.tv and its almost over.
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  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    The Jeagler wrote:

    80% of the stuff you post about here seems to be individual stats dude. and that's hardly an exageration.

    and batting average...yeah, still a pretty good stat to go by.

    regardless, my point was how horrific a slump they're in...and it looks like it is continuing today unfortunately. damn it.

    1 - that couldn't be further from the truth (like your ridiculous turf is harder to play on than grass crap)

    2 - BA is useful...just not 2 months into a season. talk to me in august/sept about batting avg

    3 - tough road trip

    4 - valdez has to be the dumbest player in the history of baseball. last night he tried to bunt with guys on 1st and 3rd when the phils were down 4. today he tries to bunt with guys on 1st and 3rd with 2 outs!!! fucking idiot
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,036
    No way Wagner is throwing 97
  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    No way Wagner is throwing 97

    No shit. those guns are bullshit. I just saw that the phils have an intern that sits behind the plate with a radar gun and a walkie talkie. he takes the reading on the radar gun and relays via walkie talkie what the pitch was and what that speed of the pitch was. that's how they put that info on the scoreboard during games. no wonder why it's wrong most of the time.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,036
    The Fixer wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    No way Wagner is throwing 97

    No shit. those guns are bullshit. I just saw that the phils have an intern that sits behind the plate with a radar gun and a walkie talkie. he takes the reading on the radar gun and relays via walkie talkie what the pitch was and what that speed of the pitch was. that's how they put that info on the scoreboard during games. no wonder why it's wrong most of the time.

    Haha, thats funny. I figured there was a gun that went straight to the scoreboard. Um, where do I get that job?
  • Solat13
    Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    If you take away the 6 games against the Nationals at the beginning of the season when the Phils scored 50 runs in 6 games, they are averaging 4.09 runs a game for the season which would only be better than the lowly Pirates and Astros in the NL.

    I know you can't arbitrarily take away games from season totals, but those two series look like aberrations now.
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    The Fixer wrote:
    The Jeagler wrote:

    80% of the stuff you post about here seems to be individual stats dude. and that's hardly an exageration.

    and batting average...yeah, still a pretty good stat to go by.

    regardless, my point was how horrific a slump they're in...and it looks like it is continuing today unfortunately. damn it.

    1 - that couldn't be further from the truth (like your ridiculous turf is harder to play on than grass crap)

    2 - BA is useful...just not 2 months into a season. talk to me in august/sept about batting avg

    3 - tough road trip

    4 - valdez has to be the dumbest player in the history of baseball. last night he tried to bunt with guys on 1st and 3rd when the phils were down 4. today he tries to bunt with guys on 1st and 3rd with 2 outs!!! fucking idiot

    1-there was nothing ridiculous about that argument
    2-its a little more than useful. and a quarter of the way into the season it's worth starting to pay attention to. and 30 point drops in 10-12 days in batting average is a pretty damn good indicator of how much of a slump this team is in.

    3-do you just enjoy being difficult? i'm sure you're a cool dude but you come across very uptight in here on a daily basis...
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  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,561
    This is fucking atrocious. Absolutely fucking atrocious. Everyone - top to bottom. Utley hitting into a double plays when HE KNOWS fucking full well that Lowe is going to pitch him low and outside early in the count to induce exactly that. THIS is what's scaring me. The absolute professionals looking like dog meat. This only underlines how important Jimmy is to this lineup. Right now this is a 1-9 lineup where you can immediately cross off four of them of being a threat. They're rubbing sticks together to get a measly fucking single run per game. This is deplorable right now. Of course there's plenty of time to right the ship, but this is not even close to enjoyable to watch. You can't afford to have two players of the ilk of Valdez and Castro on the same roster, let alone in the same lineup more often than not. I know this is a matter of injuries, but they better accept right now that Rollins is always going to have the propensity to be hurt again, as is the nagging of the type of injury. Without Rollins at the top of this lineup, this team is fucked pure and simple.
  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,955
    Solat13 wrote:
    If you take away the 6 games against the Nationals at the beginning of the season when the Phils scored 50 runs in 6 games, they are averaging 4.09 runs a game for the season which would only be better than the lowly Pirates and Astros in the NL.

    I know you can't arbitrarily take away games from season totals, but those two series look like aberrations now.

    those are also the few games where the whole lineup was together. maybe rollins is pretty darn important to this team despite his meager on-base percentage (which some claim on here claim to be the be all end all of stats).
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