Personally, I don't think this team shouldn't make any rash changes. I say trade Werth ASAP because it's either get something for him now, with whom are proven, or get two draft picks - which you don't know what you're getting. Do that now, and call it a wrap. Anything better than where they are now would be a plus for me now. I'm willing to accept this season is over and build for 2011. There's no reason to trade away any more prospects. They need bats and they're obviously not going for that at the trade deadline, so I think they should just slow their role and take a step back this year. The only person I'd trade for a "now" aspect of winning by trading away prospects as well as Werth would be Oswalt. You get him for this season, plus the next two I believe. See if you can trade away Ibanez for a bucket of used condoms in the offseason, and go after another outfielder. Everybody seems to be thinking Werth is #1 on the list for 5 tool outfielders to be signed. So if this is true, let the Yankees sign him. Because I want Carl Crawford, and I could see that happening. There's no saying they wouldn't/couldn't go after him if the market is predicting Werth to get the most money out of any OF FA. The Phils have eaten payroll before, and I don't think they would have any problem like paying Raul's contract and paying Crawford. And I don't care about a lefty heavy lineup. Having CC would be dope. Again, this is what I would like to happen, not what is really going to happen.
sorry bud CC # 2 WILL ALSO BE IN PINSTRIPES NEXT YEAR
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JP, I don't see Werth being the number 1 ouitfielder on the market this year. I think that is clearly Crawford. I also read on MLBTR yesterday he could be asking for $17 mil like Holliday. I don't see him getting that but I definitely think he is the top OF available.
From everything I read the Yankees offseason wishlist goes Lee, Crawford, Werth. Depending on what it takes to sign Jeter and Mo, I don't really see the Yankees being able to sign 2 of them unless a big spike in payroll is approved which I also don't see with Hal running the show. With Gardner being a poor mans Crawford, I think they may settle for just Lee.
Either way, I absolutely think Crawford is by far the best outfielder available.
When did our centerfielder turn into Steve Jeltz? Horrible at bat in the, what was it, 7th last night. They just gave up after the 5th.
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JP, I don't see Werth being the number 1 ouitfielder on the market this year. I think that is clearly Crawford. I also read on MLBTR yesterday he could be asking for $17 mil like Holliday. I don't see him getting that but I definitely think he is the top OF available.
From everything I read the Yankees offseason wishlist goes Lee, Crawford, Werth. Depending on what it takes to sign Jeter and Mo, I don't really see the Yankees being able to sign 2 of them unless a big spike in payroll is approved which I also don't see with Hal running the show. With Gardner being a poor mans Crawford, I think they may settle for just Lee.
Either way, I absolutely think Crawford is by far the best outfielder available.
werth?? he sucks forget him
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JP, I don't see Werth being the number 1 ouitfielder on the market this year. I think that is clearly Crawford. I also read on MLBTR yesterday he could be asking for $17 mil like Holliday. I don't see him getting that but I definitely think he is the top OF available.
From everything I read the Yankees offseason wishlist goes Lee, Crawford, Werth. Depending on what it takes to sign Jeter and Mo, I don't really see the Yankees being able to sign 2 of them unless a big spike in payroll is approved which I also don't see with Hal running the show. With Gardner being a poor mans Crawford, I think they may settle for just Lee.
Either way, I absolutely think Crawford is by far the best outfielder available.
JP, I don't see Werth being the number 1 ouitfielder on the market this year. I think that is clearly Crawford. I also read on MLBTR yesterday he could be asking for $17 mil like Holliday. I don't see him getting that but I definitely think he is the top OF available.
From everything I read the Yankees offseason wishlist goes Lee, Crawford, Werth. Depending on what it takes to sign Jeter and Mo, I don't really see the Yankees being able to sign 2 of them unless a big spike in payroll is approved which I also don't see with Hal running the show. With Gardner being a poor mans Crawford, I think they may settle for just Lee.
Either way, I absolutely think Crawford is by far the best outfielder available.
werth?? he sucks forget him
I don't see it happening in any situation.
let's hope not because he is a blowhole who had 1 or 2 good seasons
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Trade Lidge and Werth to boston for papelbon and maybe a prospect. Don't think boston has resigned him yet,this would help the phillies in two areas. Then we'd have to figure out how to dump raul and sign a lf who hits right.
did we give up after the germans bombed pearl harbor?
there's still over 2 months of baseball to be played and we're only a handful of games out of the playoffs right now with our best player not on the field.
gotta at least wait until we see what we do at the trade deadline before waiving the white flag...
Personally, I don't think this team shouldn't make any rash changes. I say trade Werth ASAP because it's either get something for him now, with whom are proven, or get two draft picks - which you don't know what you're getting. Do that now, and call it a wrap. Anything better than where they are now would be a plus for me now. I'm willing to accept this season is over and build for 2011. There's no reason to trade away any more prospects. They need bats and they're obviously not going for that at the trade deadline, so I think they should just slow their role and take a step back this year. The only person I'd trade for a "now" aspect of winning by trading away prospects as well as Werth would be Oswalt. You get him for this season, plus the next two I believe. See if you can trade away Ibanez for a bucket of used condoms in the offseason, and go after another outfielder. Everybody seems to be thinking Werth is #1 on the list for 5 tool outfielders to be signed. So if this is true, let the Yankees sign him. Because I want Carl Crawford, and I could see that happening. There's no saying they wouldn't/couldn't go after him if the market is predicting Werth to get the most money out of any OF FA. The Phils have eaten payroll before, and I don't think they would have any problem like paying Raul's contract and paying Crawford. And I don't care about a lefty heavy lineup. Having CC would be dope. Again, this is what I would like to happen, not what is really going to happen.
I think crawford is a much better player than werth...and he will get more money as a FA. werth has only really had 1 full season as an everyday player before 2010. crawford has been doing his thing for a while. and crawford is having a much better year than werth.
oswalt would be nice, but I don't see it happening. I think his contract is for next year with an option for a 2nd year. He's not cheap though, and the phils are working on a fixed budget. Don't see it happening.
At this point I don't care if they start trading guys. I just want them to do SOMETHING. Like I said, the future of the phillies in amaro's hands gives me nightmares.
Trade Lidge and Werth to boston for papelbon and maybe a prospect. Don't think boston has resigned him yet,this would help the phillies in two areas. Then we'd have to figure out how to dump raul and sign a lf who hits right.
Have you seen papeldouche pitch this year? I wouldn't touch that dude with a 10' pole. And he's a free agent after 2011 (he's still got an arb year too, which makes him even more unappealing since he'll be making $10+ million). No thanks. They should be able to get more for werth than a struggling reliever. If they're trading werth they better get either a top prospect who is MLB-ready within a year, or a SP that they control through 2011.
Also, no one is taking Lidge in a trade.
I don't mind francisco as part of a LF platoon. Ibanez is the problem, he is terrible.
I have full confidence that amaro is gonna fuck things up royally over the next week and a half leading up to the deadline.
Trade Lidge and Werth to boston for papelbon and maybe a prospect. Don't think boston has resigned him yet,this would help the phillies in two areas. Then we'd have to figure out how to dump raul and sign a lf who hits right.
Epstein likes Werth alot and I assume Boston will be after him in the offseason but I don't see any reason to make that trade ever.
Papelbon has one year left in arbitration and I either see the Red Sox keeping him for one year or trading him in the offseason and making Bard the closer.
No way Epstein would take Lidge and 14 mil guaranteed plus whatever is owed this season onto the payroll. Epstein has the Billy Beane mentality where it's not prudent to overpay for a closer which is why I see Papelbon being traded this offseason.
The Sox have a lot of flexibility this offseason with only 100.5 million committed for next year. In contrast the Phils already have 134.7 million committed to next season.
did we give up after the germans bombed pearl harbor?
there's still over 2 months of baseball to be played and we're only a handful of games out of the playoffs right now with our best player not on the field.
gotta at least wait until we see what we do at the trade deadline before waiving the white flag...
I'm not saying it's over, but this team is frustrating. What pisses me off is their holier than thou attitude and general lack of emotion.
The wild card is gonna be next to impossible to win since cincy/STL play in that joke of a division. They will be playing pittsburgh, houston, chicago in sept. Barring injuries I think you can pencil those two teams into the playoffs right now. The phils need to catch atlanta. Not impossible, but it's never a good idea to give the team you're chasing a 6 game lead with only 2 months to go.
did we give up after the germans bombed pearl harbor?
there's still over 2 months of baseball to be played and we're only a handful of games out of the playoffs right now with our best player not on the field.
gotta at least wait until we see what we do at the trade deadline before waiving the white flag...
I'm not saying it's over, but this team is frustrating. What pisses me off is their holier than thou attitude and general lack of emotion.
The wild card is gonna be next to impossible to win since cincy/STL play in that joke of a division. They will be playing pittsburgh, houston, chicago in sept. Barring injuries I think you can pencil those two teams into the playoffs right now. The phils need to catch atlanta. Not impossible, but it's never a good idea to give the team you're chasing a 6 game lead with only 2 months to go.
Especially since they don't play head to head to with Atlanta until 9/20.
did we give up after the germans bombed pearl harbor?
there's still over 2 months of baseball to be played and we're only a handful of games out of the playoffs right now with our best player not on the field.
gotta at least wait until we see what we do at the trade deadline before waiving the white flag...
I'm not saying it's over, but this team is frustrating. What pisses me off is their holier than thou attitude and general lack of emotion.
The wild card is gonna be next to impossible to win since cincy/STL play in that joke of a division. They will be playing pittsburgh, houston, chicago in sept. Barring injuries I think you can pencil those two teams into the playoffs right now. The phils need to catch atlanta. Not impossible, but it's never a good idea to give the team you're chasing a 6 game lead with only 2 months to go.
Especially since they don't play head to head to with Atlanta until 9/20.
I'm too lazy to look up the schedule, but don't they play them 6 times in the final 2 weeks of the season? Obviously don't want to be in a position to have to win all 6 of those games.
I'm too lazy to look up the schedule, but don't they play them 6 times in the final 2 weeks of the season? Obviously don't want to be in a position to have to win all 6 of those games.
Yep, they do. They play 9/20-9/22 here and 10/1-10/3 there to end the season.
Fixer, like I said, and trying to reiterate your comment that hopefully Amaro doesn't fuck this team up. Then, by that, I just hope he doesn't make any irrational decisions just to stay in the race this year. I don't think it's worth it. If it means trading Werth to make you stronger in 2011, by all means do it. Don't do it to try and tread water for two months. This team is spending a shit load, so it's comfortably easy to say - financially - this team will always be in the hunt. Just as long as that money isn't committed to the wrong players. And also by not pissing away anymore prospects on rentals - ie see Boston or St. Louis about teams who have gotten tremendous help from their farm system this season. I'm willing to sacrifice the rest of this year to be back on the horse next year, and the many more following.
Fixer, like I said, and trying to reiterate your comment that hopefully Amaro doesn't fuck this team up. Then, by that, I just hope he doesn't make any irrational decisions just to stay in the race this year. I don't think it's worth it. If it means trading Werth to make you stronger in 2011, by all means do it. Don't do it to try and tread water for two months. This team is spending a shit load, so it's comfortably easy to say - financially - this team will always be in the hunt. Just as long as that money isn't committed to the wrong players. And also by not pissing away anymore prospects on rentals - ie see Boston or St. Louis about teams who have gotten tremendous help from their farm system this season. I'm willing to sacrifice the rest of this year to be back on the horse next year, and the many more following.
Fixer, like I said, and trying to reiterate your comment that hopefully Amaro doesn't fuck this team up. Then, by that, I just hope he doesn't make any irrational decisions just to stay in the race this year. I don't think it's worth it. If it means trading Werth to make you stronger in 2011, by all means do it. Don't do it to try and tread water for two months. This team is spending a shit load, so it's comfortably easy to say - financially - this team will always be in the hunt. Just as long as that money isn't committed to the wrong players. And also by not pissing away anymore prospects on rentals - ie see Boston or St. Louis about teams who have gotten tremendous help from their farm system this season. I'm willing to sacrifice the rest of this year to be back on the horse next year, and the many more following.
Fixer, like I said, and trying to reiterate your comment that hopefully Amaro doesn't fuck this team up. Then, by that, I just hope he doesn't make any irrational decisions just to stay in the race this year. I don't think it's worth it. If it means trading Werth to make you stronger in 2011, by all means do it. Don't do it to try and tread water for two months. This team is spending a shit load, so it's comfortably easy to say - financially - this team will always be in the hunt. Just as long as that money isn't committed to the wrong players. And also by not pissing away anymore prospects on rentals - ie see Boston or St. Louis about teams who have gotten tremendous help from their farm system this season. I'm willing to sacrifice the rest of this year to be back on the horse next year, and the many more following.
A very sound philosophy.
I feel as if your placating me...
Not at all, man. Not to bring everything back to the Yankees but similar to what they did in 2008. It was tough to watch but they didn't press the panic button, trade away young pieces and missed the playoffs only to retool in the offseason and win it all. Everyone wanted them to make moves being the last season of the old stadium and all but they didn't and it worked out. I feel like the Phillies are in somewhat similar situation, minus about $60 mil in payroll.
Not at all, man. Not to bring everything back to the Yankees but similar to what they did in 2008. It was tough to watch but they didn't press the panic button, trade away young pieces and missed the playoffs only to retool in the offseason and win it all. Everyone wanted them to make moves being the last season of the old stadium and all but they didn't and it worked out. I feel like the Phillies are in somewhat similar situation, minus about $60 mil in payroll.
And I don't think it matters that they don't have that 60 mil. Personally, I don't want that 60 mil, nor do they need it since their core is already in order, but they have the financial freedom to make moves. They're just going to have problems, if they miss the playoffs, explaining to the public why ticket prices went up again.
And I don't think it matters that they don't have that 60 mil. Personally, I don't want that 60 mil, nor do they need it since their core is already in order, but they have the financial freedom to make moves. They're just going to have problems, if they miss the playoffs, explaining to the public why ticket prices went up again.
For sure, they can work with the budget they have, although a few more dollars would not hurt and I think they can stretch it a bit in the next few years, going to have to with what they have committed. Fans also need to understand they have a good core and will be back in it, if people are giving up season tickets after one bad season, the Phillies have bigger problems.
Fixer, like I said, and trying to reiterate your comment that hopefully Amaro doesn't fuck this team up. Then, by that, I just hope he doesn't make any irrational decisions just to stay in the race this year. I don't think it's worth it. If it means trading Werth to make you stronger in 2011, by all means do it. Don't do it to try and tread water for two months. This team is spending a shit load, so it's comfortably easy to say - financially - this team will always be in the hunt. Just as long as that money isn't committed to the wrong players. And also by not pissing away anymore prospects on rentals - ie see Boston or St. Louis about teams who have gotten tremendous help from their farm system this season. I'm willing to sacrifice the rest of this year to be back on the horse next year, and the many more following.
myers wont cost them much at all...pulll the trigger on that...and call up the kid. bang. done.
Fixer, like I said, and trying to reiterate your comment that hopefully Amaro doesn't fuck this team up. Then, by that, I just hope he doesn't make any irrational decisions just to stay in the race this year. I don't think it's worth it. If it means trading Werth to make you stronger in 2011, by all means do it. Don't do it to try and tread water for two months. This team is spending a shit load, so it's comfortably easy to say - financially - this team will always be in the hunt. Just as long as that money isn't committed to the wrong players. And also by not pissing away anymore prospects on rentals - ie see Boston or St. Louis about teams who have gotten tremendous help from their farm system this season. I'm willing to sacrifice the rest of this year to be back on the horse next year, and the many more following.
myers wont cost them much at all...pulll the trigger on that...and call up the kid. bang. done.
Ya see, to me, calling Brown up too early is an irrational decision. The cost of what he could bring in the next two months compared to what they may lose by bringing him up too early and stunting his growth doesn't equal out in my book. I believe in this developing shit, and think it would be a terrible decision to put too much on his shoulders. It's a different story to bring him up on August 31st just in case they make the playoffs and he would become eligible for that roster. That way he gets everyday playing time still in the minors till the AAA teams ceases in early September, and doesn't put too much on his back. There's no reason to accelerate this process.
And I don't think it matters that they don't have that 60 mil. Personally, I don't want that 60 mil, nor do they need it since their core is already in order, but they have the financial freedom to make moves. They're just going to have problems, if they miss the playoffs, explaining to the public why ticket prices went up again.
Fans also need to understand they have a good core and will be back in it, if people are giving up season tickets after one bad season, the Phillies have bigger problems.
It will happen. philly is not a good baseball town.
kendrick sent down, carpenter promoted. further proof that happ is not helping this year
Fixer, like I said, and trying to reiterate your comment that hopefully Amaro doesn't fuck this team up. Then, by that, I just hope he doesn't make any irrational decisions just to stay in the race this year. I don't think it's worth it. If it means trading Werth to make you stronger in 2011, by all means do it. Don't do it to try and tread water for two months. This team is spending a shit load, so it's comfortably easy to say - financially - this team will always be in the hunt. Just as long as that money isn't committed to the wrong players. And also by not pissing away anymore prospects on rentals - ie see Boston or St. Louis about teams who have gotten tremendous help from their farm system this season. I'm willing to sacrifice the rest of this year to be back on the horse next year, and the many more following.
myers wont cost them much at all...pulll the trigger on that...and call up the kid. bang. done.
Ya see, to me, calling Brown up too early is an irrational decision. The cost of what he could bring in the next two months compared to what they may lose by bringing him up too early and stunting his growth doesn't equal out in my book. I believe in this developing shit, and think it would be a terrible decision to put too much on his shoulders. It's a different story to bring him up on August 31st just in case they make the playoffs and he would become eligible for that roster. That way he gets everyday playing time still in the minors till the AAA teams ceases in early September, and doesn't put too much on his back. There's no reason to accelerate this process.
I'm pretty much in agreement with this. unless they trade werth, brown should stay in AAA. I'd love to see them move werth to LF and platoon brown/francisco in RF, with ibanez going to the bench...but that ain't gonna happen. ya know, since amaro overpaid for ibanez by about 20 million
And I don't think it matters that they don't have that 60 mil. Personally, I don't want that 60 mil, nor do they need it since their core is already in order, but they have the financial freedom to make moves. They're just going to have problems, if they miss the playoffs, explaining to the public why ticket prices went up again.
Fans also need to understand they have a good core and will be back in it, if people are giving up season tickets after one bad season, the Phillies have bigger problems.
It will happen. philly is not a good baseball town.
kendrick sent down, carpenter promoted. further proof that happ is not helping this year
It's not that it isn't a baseball town, as much as too many numbskulls approach the game with an "Eagles mentality" - a football mentality. Plus, A LOT of people have been spoiled by what they've done the past few years. I don't think the majority of season ticket holders will go away, but it won't nearly be like this year if they took a step back - ie I'll be able to get a ticket to at least every postseason series again, hopefully. Hell, it might be a good thing. This year has been the pinnacle of the Phillies being "The Place To Be" - too many douches just wanting to be there to be seen and take pictures for Facebook. Yuck.
Fans also need to understand they have a good core and will be back in it, if people are giving up season tickets after one bad season, the Phillies have bigger problems.
It will happen. philly is not a good baseball town.
kendrick sent down, carpenter promoted. further proof that happ is not helping this year
It's not that it isn't a baseball town, as much as too many numbskulls approach the game with an "Eagles mentality" - a football mentality. Plus, A LOT of people have been spoiled by what they've done the past few years. I don't think the majority of season ticket holders will go away, but it won't nearly be like this year if they took a step back - ie I'll be able to get a ticket to at least every postseason series again, hopefully. Hell, it might be a good thing. This year has been the pinnacle of the Phillies being "The Place To Be" - too many douches just wanting to be there to be seen and take pictures for Facebook. Yuck.
I completely agree. This is gonna sound stupid, but the games were more fun to go to before they won the WS. At least you knew the people attending were real fans. Now it's a shit show and the game is secondary to most people. When they are paying attention you hear things like who the hell is ross gload?
this season has made me saltier than usual. they need to start winning some fucking games
It will happen. philly is not a good baseball town.
kendrick sent down, carpenter promoted. further proof that happ is not helping this year
It's not that it isn't a baseball town, as much as too many numbskulls approach the game with an "Eagles mentality" - a football mentality. Plus, A LOT of people have been spoiled by what they've done the past few years. I don't think the majority of season ticket holders will go away, but it won't nearly be like this year if they took a step back - ie I'll be able to get a ticket to at least every postseason series again, hopefully. Hell, it might be a good thing. This year has been the pinnacle of the Phillies being "The Place To Be" - too many douches just wanting to be there to be seen and take pictures for Facebook. Yuck.
I completely agree. This is gonna sound stupid, but the games were more fun to go to before they won the WS. At least you knew the people attending were real fans. Now it's a shit show and the game is secondary to most people. When they are paying attention you hear things like who the hell is ross gload?
this season has made me saltier than usual. they need to start winning some fucking games
The age of innocence is gone, dude. Que sera sera. Sunrise, sunset. All that shit.
2007 was probably my most entertaining season. I'm not discrediting 2008 at all, because shit, that will be with me the rest of my life. But 2007 was my first season with going in on someone else's plan, went to Chicago to see the Phils beat the Cubs while also going to Lolla to see PJ, was there on the last day for that incredible division win. Just unreal.
myers wont cost them much at all...pulll the trigger on that...and call up the kid. bang. done.
Ya see, to me, calling Brown up too early is an irrational decision. The cost of what he could bring in the next two months compared to what they may lose by bringing him up too early and stunting his growth doesn't equal out in my book. I believe in this developing shit, and think it would be a terrible decision to put too much on his shoulders. It's a different story to bring him up on August 31st just in case they make the playoffs and he would become eligible for that roster. That way he gets everyday playing time still in the minors till the AAA teams ceases in early September, and doesn't put too much on his back. There's no reason to accelerate this process.
I'm pretty much in agreement with this. unless they trade werth, brown should stay in AAA. I'd love to see them move werth to LF and platoon brown/francisco in RF, with ibanez going to the bench...but that ain't gonna happen. ya know, since amaro overpaid for ibanez by about 20 million
bingo. dont see the harm in calling him up a measley few weeks earlier than 8/31. ruben's gotta think outside the box here.
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sorry bud CC # 2 WILL ALSO BE IN PINSTRIPES NEXT YEAR
From everything I read the Yankees offseason wishlist goes Lee, Crawford, Werth. Depending on what it takes to sign Jeter and Mo, I don't really see the Yankees being able to sign 2 of them unless a big spike in payroll is approved which I also don't see with Hal running the show. With Gardner being a poor mans Crawford, I think they may settle for just Lee.
Either way, I absolutely think Crawford is by far the best outfielder available.
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werth?? he sucks forget him
I don't see it happening in any situation.
let's hope not because he is a blowhole who had 1 or 2 good seasons
did we give up after the germans bombed pearl harbor?
there's still over 2 months of baseball to be played and we're only a handful of games out of the playoffs right now with our best player not on the field.
gotta at least wait until we see what we do at the trade deadline before waiving the white flag...
I think crawford is a much better player than werth...and he will get more money as a FA. werth has only really had 1 full season as an everyday player before 2010. crawford has been doing his thing for a while. and crawford is having a much better year than werth.
oswalt would be nice, but I don't see it happening. I think his contract is for next year with an option for a 2nd year. He's not cheap though, and the phils are working on a fixed budget. Don't see it happening.
At this point I don't care if they start trading guys. I just want them to do SOMETHING. Like I said, the future of the phillies in amaro's hands gives me nightmares.
Have you seen papeldouche pitch this year? I wouldn't touch that dude with a 10' pole. And he's a free agent after 2011 (he's still got an arb year too, which makes him even more unappealing since he'll be making $10+ million). No thanks. They should be able to get more for werth than a struggling reliever. If they're trading werth they better get either a top prospect who is MLB-ready within a year, or a SP that they control through 2011.
Also, no one is taking Lidge in a trade.
I don't mind francisco as part of a LF platoon. Ibanez is the problem, he is terrible.
I have full confidence that amaro is gonna fuck things up royally over the next week and a half leading up to the deadline.
Epstein likes Werth alot and I assume Boston will be after him in the offseason but I don't see any reason to make that trade ever.
Papelbon has one year left in arbitration and I either see the Red Sox keeping him for one year or trading him in the offseason and making Bard the closer.
No way Epstein would take Lidge and 14 mil guaranteed plus whatever is owed this season onto the payroll. Epstein has the Billy Beane mentality where it's not prudent to overpay for a closer which is why I see Papelbon being traded this offseason.
The Sox have a lot of flexibility this offseason with only 100.5 million committed for next year. In contrast the Phils already have 134.7 million committed to next season.
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- 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
- 8/2/07, 8/5/07
- 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
- 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
- 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
- 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
I'm not saying it's over, but this team is frustrating. What pisses me off is their holier than thou attitude and general lack of emotion.
The wild card is gonna be next to impossible to win since cincy/STL play in that joke of a division. They will be playing pittsburgh, houston, chicago in sept. Barring injuries I think you can pencil those two teams into the playoffs right now. The phils need to catch atlanta. Not impossible, but it's never a good idea to give the team you're chasing a 6 game lead with only 2 months to go.
Especially since they don't play head to head to with Atlanta until 9/20.
- 8/28/98
- 9/2/00
- 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
- 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
- 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
- 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
- 8/2/07, 8/5/07
- 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
- 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
- 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
- 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
I'm too lazy to look up the schedule, but don't they play them 6 times in the final 2 weeks of the season? Obviously don't want to be in a position to have to win all 6 of those games.
Yep, they do. They play 9/20-9/22 here and 10/1-10/3 there to end the season.
- 8/28/98
- 9/2/00
- 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
- 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
- 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
- 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
- 8/2/07, 8/5/07
- 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
- 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
- 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
- 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
A very sound philosophy.
I feel as if your placating me...
Not at all, man. Not to bring everything back to the Yankees but similar to what they did in 2008. It was tough to watch but they didn't press the panic button, trade away young pieces and missed the playoffs only to retool in the offseason and win it all. Everyone wanted them to make moves being the last season of the old stadium and all but they didn't and it worked out. I feel like the Phillies are in somewhat similar situation, minus about $60 mil in payroll.
And I don't think it matters that they don't have that 60 mil. Personally, I don't want that 60 mil, nor do they need it since their core is already in order, but they have the financial freedom to make moves. They're just going to have problems, if they miss the playoffs, explaining to the public why ticket prices went up again.
For sure, they can work with the budget they have, although a few more dollars would not hurt and I think they can stretch it a bit in the next few years, going to have to with what they have committed. Fans also need to understand they have a good core and will be back in it, if people are giving up season tickets after one bad season, the Phillies have bigger problems.
myers wont cost them much at all...pulll the trigger on that...and call up the kid. bang. done.
Ya see, to me, calling Brown up too early is an irrational decision. The cost of what he could bring in the next two months compared to what they may lose by bringing him up too early and stunting his growth doesn't equal out in my book. I believe in this developing shit, and think it would be a terrible decision to put too much on his shoulders. It's a different story to bring him up on August 31st just in case they make the playoffs and he would become eligible for that roster. That way he gets everyday playing time still in the minors till the AAA teams ceases in early September, and doesn't put too much on his back. There's no reason to accelerate this process.
It will happen. philly is not a good baseball town.
kendrick sent down, carpenter promoted. further proof that happ is not helping this year
I'm pretty much in agreement with this. unless they trade werth, brown should stay in AAA. I'd love to see them move werth to LF and platoon brown/francisco in RF, with ibanez going to the bench...but that ain't gonna happen. ya know, since amaro overpaid for ibanez by about 20 million
It's not that it isn't a baseball town, as much as too many numbskulls approach the game with an "Eagles mentality" - a football mentality. Plus, A LOT of people have been spoiled by what they've done the past few years. I don't think the majority of season ticket holders will go away, but it won't nearly be like this year if they took a step back - ie I'll be able to get a ticket to at least every postseason series again, hopefully. Hell, it might be a good thing. This year has been the pinnacle of the Phillies being "The Place To Be" - too many douches just wanting to be there to be seen and take pictures for Facebook. Yuck.
I completely agree. This is gonna sound stupid, but the games were more fun to go to before they won the WS. At least you knew the people attending were real fans. Now it's a shit show and the game is secondary to most people. When they are paying attention you hear things like who the hell is ross gload?
this season has made me saltier than usual. they need to start winning some fucking games
The age of innocence is gone, dude. Que sera sera. Sunrise, sunset. All that shit.
2007 was probably my most entertaining season. I'm not discrediting 2008 at all, because shit, that will be with me the rest of my life. But 2007 was my first season with going in on someone else's plan, went to Chicago to see the Phils beat the Cubs while also going to Lolla to see PJ, was there on the last day for that incredible division win. Just unreal.
Actually, I'd say 2007-2009 was one whole season.
bingo. dont see the harm in calling him up a measley few weeks earlier than 8/31. ruben's gotta think outside the box here.
who knows what he's capable of. nothing would shock me at this point. should be an interesting 10 days ahead