I want absoutely ZERO to do with Vazquez. He'd be a horrible fit here imo. I'd rather let werth finish out the year then trade him for an overpaid under achieving pitcher. Why anyone would think he'd be a good fit here is beyond me. Might as well use the money next year or use it to resigning are players. Making a bad trade dosent make sense,seems like people like making trades just to make one.
someone here said he heard swisher would be thrown into the werth/vasquez deal if it ever happens. is that even remotely possible? not sure where he heard it...
forget it swish isn't going anywhere
besides he a douche who wears ed hardy
Only way I want fucking Nick Swisher is if the Yanks take Ibanez. Swisher blows
I want absoutely ZERO to do with Vazquez. He'd be a horrible fit here imo. I'd rather let werth finish out the year then trade him for an overpaid under achieving pitcher. Why anyone would think he'd be a good fit here is beyond me. Might as well use the money next year or use it to resigning are players. Making a bad trade dosent make sense,seems like people like making trades just to make one.
Look at his numbers last year when he pitched in the NL East
someone here said he heard swisher would be thrown into the werth/vasquez deal if it ever happens. is that even remotely possible? not sure where he heard it...
forget it swish isn't going anywhere
besides he a douche who wears ed hardy
If Swisher becomes a Phillie, I will proceed with shooting myself.
most of those numbers are in the AL. experts say a shift from the AL to the NL shaves .5 - 1 run off of a pitchers ERA.
which would you rather have in a playoff series...
option A
Halladay, Hamels, Blanton?, Moyer??
option B
Halladay, Vazquez, Hamels, Blanton?
EDIT: vazquez was OK in the NL east last year
It's a moot point because apparently the trade is off, but both options are bad.
I'd rather take option A though because option B would leave you with with a lineup so lefty heavy that you would not have a shot against a rotation with CC, Lee and Pettitte in it.
most of those numbers are in the AL. experts say a shift from the AL to the NL shaves .5 - 1 run off of a pitchers ERA.
which would you rather have in a playoff series...
option A
Halladay, Hamels, Blanton?, Moyer??
option B
Halladay, Vazquez, Hamels, Blanton?
EDIT: vazquez was OK in the NL east last year
It's a moot point because apparently the trade is off, but both options are bad.
I'd rather take option A though because option B would leave you with with a lineup so lefty heavy that you would not have a shot against a rotation with CC, Lee and Pettitte in it.
doesn't look like we're gonna agree. trade isn't happening, so like you said it's a moot point.
I will say that the phils have much bigger issues if amaro is taking AL teams into account when he's making trades. Also, polanco returning (dropping victorino in the lineup) and francisco platooning with ibanez would break up the lefties. but I digress
I want absoutely ZERO to do with Vazquez. He'd be a horrible fit here imo. I'd rather let werth finish out the year then trade him for an overpaid under achieving pitcher. Why anyone would think he'd be a good fit here is beyond me. Might as well use the money next year or use it to resigning are players. Making a bad trade dosent make sense,seems like people like making trades just to make one.
Look at his numbers last year when he pitched in the NL East
That was last year,and atl is a much more pitcher friendly place then the bank. We might as well keep the cash and sign a good younger pitcher instead of an older declining one.
doesn't look like we're gonna agree. trade isn't happening, so like you said it's a moot point.
I will say that the phils have much bigger issues if amaro is taking AL teams into account when he's making trades. Also, polanco returning (dropping victorino in the lineup) and francisco platooning with ibanez would break up the lefties. but I digress
Yep let's agree to disagree. But according to the latest Elias rankings (they determine who is a type A, B or nothing free agent for compensation), Werth is a solid type A meaning you get two picks and Vazquez is hanging on to type A status but could easily fall to type B (only a sandwich pick) with a poor second half, and because it's unlikely the Phils would resign either given all the money they have allocated already for next year and their set budget you wouldn't want to get back less than you give up.
doesn't look like we're gonna agree. trade isn't happening, so like you said it's a moot point.
I will say that the phils have much bigger issues if amaro is taking AL teams into account when he's making trades. Also, polanco returning (dropping victorino in the lineup) and francisco platooning with ibanez would break up the lefties. but I digress
Yep let's agree to disagree. But according to the latest Elias rankings (they determine who is a type A, B or nothing free agent for compensation), Werth is a solid type A meaning you get two picks and Vazquez is hanging on to type A status but could easily fall to type B (only a sandwich pick) with a poor second half, and because it's unlikely the Phils would resign either given all the money they have allocated already for next year and their set budget you wouldn't want to get back less than you give up.
yeah I get all of that. I'd bet vazquez will be a type A. his bad start was an aberration. His performance over the last month is closer to his mean than his april.
also, the phils would have to offer vazquez arbitration in order to get draft picks (werth as well, but I think werth is more likely to decline arb and hit the market than vazquez). that could put them in an unfavorable situation.
oh well, on to the next topic
EDIT: your last sentence makes me think of the Lee trade. phils could have gotten montero for Lee last year but amaro turned it down. then turned around and got 3 turds. ugh
I want absoutely ZERO to do with Vazquez. He'd be a horrible fit here imo. I'd rather let werth finish out the year then trade him for an overpaid under achieving pitcher. Why anyone would think he'd be a good fit here is beyond me. Might as well use the money next year or use it to resigning are players. Making a bad trade dosent make sense,seems like people like making trades just to make one.
we give you bay and you give us werth
Ron: I just don't feel like going out tonight
Sammi: Wanna just break up?
Any anytime you get a chance to land a career 149-146 pitcher who makes more than Cliff Lee, you defintiely have to jump on it. Especially since the Yanks gave up Melky Cabrera and 2 minor leaguers for him.
:roll:
why you laughing you root for the phils :roll:
thats the biggest joke i've ever heard
maybe i'll root for the red sox in the playoffs
would you ever root for the islanders in the playoffs if they were playing the devils
i doubt it
Ron: I just don't feel like going out tonight
Sammi: Wanna just break up?
Any anytime you get a chance to land a career 149-146 pitcher who makes more than Cliff Lee, you defintiely have to jump on it. Especially since the Yanks gave up Melky Cabrera and 2 minor leaguers for him.
why you laughing you root for the phils :roll:
thats the biggest joke i've ever heard
maybe i'll root for the red sox in the playoffs
would you ever root for the islanders in the playoffs if they were playing the devils
i doubt it
no but i would root for the mets over the sox like in 86 when you were in diapers
let me explain this to you
as a yankees fan i have no beef with the mets ...they are not even on the ny radar ...they have no bearing on our season sans 6 games ..we beat you cats in the one series that mattered
so basically the yankees fans could care less about the mets or their hatred and whatnot
however the roles are reversed when you're a mets fan ...having to hear all the abuse about 2nd class citizens and only 30,000 people show up and constantly getting outdone by the yankees and so on
so we understand why the hatred is there from your standpoint
however you're rooting for a DIVISION RIVAL who you play 20 x per year who directly impacts your hopes for the division title and playoffs who just won something you cats haven't sniffed in 25 years just because you're tired of being 2nd class in ny
it really is a predictament but you have to root against the division rivals over another ny team
and i know you give that young yankees fans line or whatever but the their are millions more older fans such as myself
in closing we DON'T CARE ABOUT YOU GUYS ...SO RUN ALONG AND ROOT FOR THE TEAM THAT BEATS YOU EVERY YEAR ...makes alot of sense :roll:
i post on the board of a band that doesn't exsist anymore .......i need my head examined.......
You know what, fuck the Phills and the Yanks...Let's go Mets!!! Yes, apparently the Met thread is dead..huge series this weekend against the Braves..Metsy, you going to any? Anyway, fuck the Yanks and Phillies, but gun to my head, I'd root for the Yanks over the Phillies every time..
'I want to hurry home to you
put on a slow, dumb show for you
and crack you up
so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
god I'm very, very frightening
and I'll overdo it'
You know what, fuck the Phills and the Yanks...Let's go Mets!!! Yes, apparently the Met thread is dead..huge series this weekend against the Braves..Metsy, you going to any? Anyway, fuck the Yanks and Phillies, but gun to my head, I'd root for the Yanks over the Phillies every time..
Now here's someone who gets division rivals. Whom I also thought was dead...
You know what, fuck the Phills and the Yanks...Let's go Mets!!! Yes, apparently the Met thread is dead..huge series this weekend against the Braves..Metsy, you going to any? Anyway, fuck the Yanks and Phillies, but gun to my head, I'd root for the Yanks over the Phillies every time..
this is the guy I want the phils to get. the mets getting him would be AIDS
Ted Lilly, also in the last year of his deal, does have value, and he is shaping up to be a primary consolation prize for one of the losers of the Cliff Lee sweepstakes. Presumably, the market on him will heat up after Lee is dealt, and you'd have to figure that there's a good chance the veteran lefty lands with the Mets or some other contender.
You know what, fuck the Phills and the Yanks...Let's go Mets!!! Yes, apparently the Met thread is dead..huge series this weekend against the Braves..Metsy, you going to any? Anyway, fuck the Yanks and Phillies, but gun to my head, I'd root for the Yanks over the Phillies every time..
nope i'm not
if i was to go to game it be sunday
are you going to any
Ron: I just don't feel like going out tonight
Sammi: Wanna just break up?
You know what, fuck the Phills and the Yanks...Let's go Mets!!! Yes, apparently the Met thread is dead..huge series this weekend against the Braves..Metsy, you going to any? Anyway, fuck the Yanks and Phillies, but gun to my head, I'd root for the Yanks over the Phillies every time..
Now here's someone who gets division rivals. Whom I also thought was dead...
I'm a teacher, so I'm off for the summer and can resume fucking with you guys ..anything change in the pit, or is it the same old shit -/+ a few characters?
'I want to hurry home to you
put on a slow, dumb show for you
and crack you up
so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
god I'm very, very frightening
and I'll overdo it'
You know what, fuck the Phills and the Yanks...Let's go Mets!!! Yes, apparently the Met thread is dead..huge series this weekend against the Braves..Metsy, you going to any? Anyway, fuck the Yanks and Phillies, but gun to my head, I'd root for the Yanks over the Phillies every time..
nope i'm not
if i was to go to game it be sunday
are you going to any
Going away this weekend, but will definitely hit up many games after the all-star break...so is Frenchy going to lose some playing time upon Beltran's return?..Pagan is playing too well to be taken out I think..
'I want to hurry home to you
put on a slow, dumb show for you
and crack you up
so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
god I'm very, very frightening
and I'll overdo it'
You know what, fuck the Phills and the Yanks...Let's go Mets!!! Yes, apparently the Met thread is dead..huge series this weekend against the Braves..Metsy, you going to any? Anyway, fuck the Yanks and Phillies, but gun to my head, I'd root for the Yanks over the Phillies every time..
Now here's someone who gets division rivals. Whom I also thought was dead...
I'm a teacher, so I'm off for the summer and can resume fucking with you guys ..anything change in the pit, or is it the same old shit -/+ a few characters?
Nice. Meh, same old shit - "You suck." "No, you suck." "You suck more." Yada yada. But it's still fun.
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Only way I want fucking Nick Swisher is if the Yanks take Ibanez. Swisher blows
Look at his numbers last year when he pitched in the NL East
If Swisher becomes a Phillie, I will proceed with shooting myself.
It's a moot point because apparently the trade is off, but both options are bad.
I'd rather take option A though because option B would leave you with with a lineup so lefty heavy that you would not have a shot against a rotation with CC, Lee and Pettitte in it.
- 8/28/98
- 9/2/00
- 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
- 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
- 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
- 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
- 8/2/07, 8/5/07
- 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
- 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
- 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
- 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
doesn't look like we're gonna agree. trade isn't happening, so like you said it's a moot point.
I will say that the phils have much bigger issues if amaro is taking AL teams into account when he's making trades. Also, polanco returning (dropping victorino in the lineup) and francisco platooning with ibanez would break up the lefties. but I digress
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big_le ... mlb,254874
Yep let's agree to disagree. But according to the latest Elias rankings (they determine who is a type A, B or nothing free agent for compensation), Werth is a solid type A meaning you get two picks and Vazquez is hanging on to type A status but could easily fall to type B (only a sandwich pick) with a poor second half, and because it's unlikely the Phils would resign either given all the money they have allocated already for next year and their set budget you wouldn't want to get back less than you give up.
- 8/28/98
- 9/2/00
- 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
- 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
- 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
- 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
- 8/2/07, 8/5/07
- 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
- 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
- 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
- 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
yeah I get all of that. I'd bet vazquez will be a type A. his bad start was an aberration. His performance over the last month is closer to his mean than his april.
also, the phils would have to offer vazquez arbitration in order to get draft picks (werth as well, but I think werth is more likely to decline arb and hit the market than vazquez). that could put them in an unfavorable situation.
oh well, on to the next topic
EDIT: your last sentence makes me think of the Lee trade. phils could have gotten montero for Lee last year but amaro turned it down. then turned around and got 3 turds. ugh
Sammi: Wanna just break up?
on second thought phantom ..you can keep that douche
i doubt it
Sammi: Wanna just break up?
Are you sure that wasn't on the cover of "Duh Weekly"?
no but i would root for the mets over the sox like in 86 when you were in diapers
let me explain this to you
as a yankees fan i have no beef with the mets ...they are not even on the ny radar ...they have no bearing on our season sans 6 games ..we beat you cats in the one series that mattered
so basically the yankees fans could care less about the mets or their hatred and whatnot
however the roles are reversed when you're a mets fan ...having to hear all the abuse about 2nd class citizens and only 30,000 people show up and constantly getting outdone by the yankees and so on
so we understand why the hatred is there from your standpoint
however you're rooting for a DIVISION RIVAL who you play 20 x per year who directly impacts your hopes for the division title and playoffs who just won something you cats haven't sniffed in 25 years just because you're tired of being 2nd class in ny
it really is a predictament but you have to root against the division rivals over another ny team
and i know you give that young yankees fans line or whatever but the their are millions more older fans such as myself
in closing we DON'T CARE ABOUT YOU GUYS ...SO RUN ALONG AND ROOT FOR THE TEAM THAT BEATS YOU EVERY YEAR ...makes alot of sense :roll:
Now, it's 1:45, and it's breakfast time. I say good day to yous, sirs.
GO COWBOYS
:P
Sammi: Wanna just break up?
i have 1 more hour to kill then i will leave you alone
im going to smoke brb
put on a slow, dumb show for you
and crack you up
so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
god I'm very, very frightening
and I'll overdo it'
Now here's someone who gets division rivals. Whom I also thought was dead...
this is the guy I want the phils to get. the mets getting him would be AIDS
Ted Lilly, also in the last year of his deal, does have value, and he is shaping up to be a primary consolation prize for one of the losers of the Cliff Lee sweepstakes. Presumably, the market on him will heat up after Lee is dealt, and you'd have to figure that there's a good chance the veteran lefty lands with the Mets or some other contender.
Damn...i didn't see the play
That was an a-hole move by Werth..the best is Wheels
The kid was like "Oh Crap!" look on his face
The ONLY thing better than a glass of beer is tea with Miss McGill
A protuberance of flesh above the waistband of a tight pair of trousers
if i was to go to game it be sunday
are you going to any
Sammi: Wanna just break up?
I'm a teacher, so I'm off for the summer and can resume fucking with you guys
put on a slow, dumb show for you
and crack you up
so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
god I'm very, very frightening
and I'll overdo it'
more like a-hole move by the fan. werth clearly woulda had that.
Sammi: Wanna just break up?
Going away this weekend, but will definitely hit up many games after the all-star break...so is Frenchy going to lose some playing time upon Beltran's return?..Pagan is playing too well to be taken out I think..
put on a slow, dumb show for you
and crack you up
so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
god I'm very, very frightening
and I'll overdo it'
Nice. Meh, same old shit - "You suck." "No, you suck." "You suck more." Yada yada. But it's still fun.
agreed. get out of the way
How is the fan who's the a-hole when the ball was hit right to him ?
I would have done the same thing probably as I watched the ball coming at me
Werth didn't have to react that way..it be different if the guy reached over the railing and onto the field of play but come on..he's dropping F bombs
The ONLY thing better than a glass of beer is tea with Miss McGill
A protuberance of flesh above the waistband of a tight pair of trousers