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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,029
    Jearlpam0925 wrote:
    This is all crazy talk. The Howard contract is horrendous. The only thing that got me giddy about it is the commitment from the organization to its proven players. But I'm taking Tex, Poop Holes, Fielder, A Gone, Miggy, and possibly Morneau over Howard any day. Howard is a product of this lineup for the most part. Put Howard on Cincy, Pitt, KC, or any other garbage team and no pitcher pitches to him, he doesn't end up with more than 35 homers, and continues to strikeout or hit a home run with even less people on base due to there no being three all stars hitting in front of you. Love Howard, but this is all crazy talk.

    Another spot on post from someone who knows his baseball.
  • Solat13
    Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    The Fixer wrote:
    jamminpearls wrote:
    Howard 277avg 142hr 49hr. Pujulos 335ang 122rbi 41hr. Tex 297avg 114rbi 33hr. Fielder 283 110 39. Cabrera 318 115 32. Gonzalez 285 100 32. These are each players avgs since 2006. Howard is 6th in avg and 1st in both hrs and rbis. Pujulos is 1st in avg and 2nd in rbis and hrs. Tex is 3rd in avg and 4th in both rbis and hrs. Fielder is 5th in avg and rbis and 3rd in hrs. Cabrera is 2nd in avg 3rd in rbis and tied for 5th in hrs. Gonzalez is 4th in avg 6th in erbis and tied for 5th in hrs. The numbers don't lie albert is the only player who is better then howard at that posotion joey voto is a joke of a comparsion.

    now show their OBP, OPS, and BA vs LH. and we wont even talk about defense.

    If you think howard is a better hitter than cabrera you are delusional

    as for RBI...oh well, I tried. some people will just never get it

    Just fooling around on baseball-reference and calculated these:

    Since 2006:

    BA/OBP/SLG/OPS

    Howard .278/.379/.589/.967
    Pujols .335/.441/.637/1.078
    Tex .296/.390/.548/.938
    Fielder .283/.382/.553/.935
    Cabrera .318/.394/.554/.948
    Gonzalez .285/.369/.515/.884

    I only did against lefties for Howard, Fielder and Gonz as it really doesn't apply to the other 3:

    Howard .232/.321/.461/.782
    Fielder .259/.336/.493/.829
    Gonzalez .249/.321/.438/.759
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,029
    Solat13 wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:
    jamminpearls wrote:
    Howard 277avg 142hr 49hr. Pujulos 335ang 122rbi 41hr. Tex 297avg 114rbi 33hr. Fielder 283 110 39. Cabrera 318 115 32. Gonzalez 285 100 32. These are each players avgs since 2006. Howard is 6th in avg and 1st in both hrs and rbis. Pujulos is 1st in avg and 2nd in rbis and hrs. Tex is 3rd in avg and 4th in both rbis and hrs. Fielder is 5th in avg and rbis and 3rd in hrs. Cabrera is 2nd in avg 3rd in rbis and tied for 5th in hrs. Gonzalez is 4th in avg 6th in erbis and tied for 5th in hrs. The numbers don't lie albert is the only player who is better then howard at that posotion joey voto is a joke of a comparsion.

    now show their OBP, OPS, and BA vs LH. and we wont even talk about defense.

    If you think howard is a better hitter than cabrera you are delusional

    as for RBI...oh well, I tried. some people will just never get it

    Just fooling around on baseball-reference and calculated these:

    Since 2006:

    BA/OBP/SLG/OPS

    Howard .278/.379/.589/.967
    Pujols .335/.441/.637/1.078
    Tex .296/.390/.548/.938
    Fielder .283/.382/.553/.935
    Cabrera .318/.394/.554/.948
    Gonzalez .285/.369/.515/.884

    I only did against lefties for Howard, Fielder and Gonz as it really doesn't apply to the other 3:

    Howard .232/.321/.461/.782
    Fielder .259/.336/.493/.829
    Gonzalez .249/.321/.438/.759

    All solid numbers, he has declined steadily in almost all of those over the past 3 seasons though
  • jamminpearls
    jamminpearls Posts: 7,078
    edited May 2010
    Solat13 wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:
    jamminpearls wrote:
    Howard 277avg 142hr 49hr. Pujulos 335ang 122rbi 41hr. Tex 297avg 114rbi 33hr. Fielder 283 110 39. Cabrera 318 115 32. Gonzalez 285 100 32. These are each players avgs since 2006. Howard is 6th in avg and 1st in both hrs and rbis. Pujulos is 1st in avg and 2nd in rbis and hrs. Tex is 3rd in avg and 4th in both rbis and hrs. Fielder is 5th in avg and rbis and 3rd in hrs. Cabrera is 2nd in avg 3rd in rbis and tied for 5th in hrs. Gonzalez is 4th in avg 6th in erbis and tied for 5th in hrs. The numbers don't lie albert is the only player who is better then howard at that posotion joey voto is a joke of a comparsion.

    now show their OBP, OPS, and BA vs LH. and we wont even talk about defense.

    If you think howard is a better hitter than cabrera you are delusional

    as for RBI...oh well, I tried. some people will just never get it

    Just fooling around on baseball-reference and calculated these:

    Since 2006:

    BA/OBP/SLG/OPS

    Howard .278/.379/.589/.967
    Pujols .335/.441/.637/1.078
    Tex .296/.390/.548/.938
    Fielder .283/.382/.553/.935
    Cabrera .318/.394/.554/.948
    Gonzalez .285/.369/.515/.884

    I only did against lefties for Howard, Fielder and Gonz as it really doesn't apply to the other 3:

    Howard .232/.321/.461/.782
    Fielder .259/.336/.493/.829
    Gonzalez .249/.321/.438/.759
    Post edited by jamminpearls on
    Go Birds!!!!
  • RW81233
    RW81233 Posts: 2,393
    Hasn't Fielder gone up in those numbers too? I think he's the forgotten one in this argument. He's basically Ryan Howard but 5-7 years ago - for better, worse, fatter, and more vegetarian.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,029
    jamminpearls wrote:
    So for obp howrds 5th and for slugging and ops he's 2nd.then u add the fact that he's number 1 in hrs and rbi's.

    This is being greatly skewed by his MVP season which was 4 years ago. I tend to look at the past 3 seasons. That looks like this:

    .266 .363 .565 .928
  • Solat13
    Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    edited May 2010
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    jamminpearls wrote:
    So for obp howrds 5th and for slugging and ops he's 2nd.then u add the fact that he's number 1 in hrs and rbi's.

    This is being greatly skewed by his MVP season which was 4 years ago. I tend to look at the past 3 seasons. That looks like this:

    .266 .363 .565 .928

    From 2007-2009

    Howard .266/.363/.565/.928
    Pujols .337/.444/.626/1.070
    Tex .302/.398/.560/.958
    Fielder .288/.393/.575/.968
    Cabrera .312/.382/.549/.931
    Gonzalez .279/.371/.519/.891
    Post edited by Solat13 on
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,029
    Past 3 seasons:

    Prince: .288 .393 .575 .968
    Tex: .302 .398 .560 .957
    Pujols: .337 .444 .626 1.070
    A-Gon: .279 .371 .519 .891
    Miggy: .312 .382 .549 .931
    Howard: .266 .363 .565 .928
  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,536
    Know what's crazy about all of this? Is Poop Holes best years still ahead of him? Fucking unreal.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,029
    Jearlpam0925 wrote:
    Know what's crazy about all of this? Is Poop Holes best years still ahead of him? Fucking unreal.

    He is by far, the best baseball player any of us have ever seen.
  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,536
    Boom.

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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    The Fixer wrote:
    The Jeagler wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:
    well he's replacing jroll right now so that makes perfect sense.

    nah, that's little league shit. like guarding the line in the 9th inning with a 1 run lead...something howard failed to do last week that led to the tying run (vs SF). but most fans see he had an RBI in the box score and don't notice that type of stuff

    nope. you missed the sarcasm and i thought i layed it on pretty thick. he's replacing a guy who has made a career at swinging at the first pitch so it's only fitting he has bad at bats too. see where i'm going there?...wait for it...ah yes, there ya go!
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  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,922
    Ryan Howard:
    4 full major league seasons - averages of 49.6 home runs and 143 RBIs
    last 3 full major league seasons - averages of 46.6 home runs and 141 RBIs

    and as I mentioned before, 3 division titles, 2 world series appearances, 1 world series title and possibly on the verge of being the greatest 3 year post-season run by a National League team in over 60 years.

    the man is paid to hit home runs and drive in runs and does it at a prodigious rate for a team on a once in a lifetime era of baseball in Philly and possible all of the national league for a 70 year period. NUFF SAID.
  • Gary Carter
    Gary Carter Posts: 14,077
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Jearlpam0925 wrote:
    Know what's crazy about all of this? Is Poop Holes best years still ahead of him? Fucking unreal.

    He is by far, the best baseball player any of us have ever seen.
    i disagree with that. i'd take a-rod or king albert over howard anyday. to say howard is the best any one of us have ever seen is just being philly bias. anyone of us would love him on our team but best baseball player we've ever seen, no chance.

    since your such a stats guy go look at howards career ba obp , slg and ops so far and compare it to king alberts. also go check out whose got more mvp's.
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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,029
    pjhawks wrote:
    Ryan Howard:
    4 full major league seasons - averages of 49.6 home runs and 143 RBIs
    last 3 full major league seasons - averages of 46.6 home runs and 141 RBIs

    and as I mentioned before, 3 division titles, 2 world series appearances, 1 world series title and possibly on the verge of being the greatest 3 year post-season run by a National League team in over 60 years.

    the man is paid to hit home runs and drive in runs and does it at a prodigious rate for a team on a once in a lifetime era of baseball in Philly and possible all of the national league for a 70 year period. NUFF SAID.

    This says nothing that has not already been stated. Yes, the entire world knows, Ryan Howard is a very good player on an excellent team. This cannot possibly be an argument for why he is better than another player or worth the contract he got.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,029
    metsfan wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Jearlpam0925 wrote:
    Know what's crazy about all of this? Is Poop Holes best years still ahead of him? Fucking unreal.

    He is by far, the best baseball player any of us have ever seen.
    i disagree with that. i'd take a-rod or king albert over howard anyday. to say howard is the best any one of us have ever seen is just being philly bias. anyone of us would love him on our team but best baseball player we've ever seen, no chance.

    since your such a stats guy go look at howards career ba obp , slg and ops so far and compare it to king alberts. also go check out whose got more mvp's.

    Unless I am mistaken, Poop Holes is in reference to Pujols, say them out loud with me.
  • Gary Carter
    Gary Carter Posts: 14,077
    Cliffy6745 wrote:

    Unless I am mistaken, Poop Holes is in reference to Pujols, say them out loud with me.
    my bad

    i'm on my blackberry and didn't zoom in good enough

    :oops:
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    Sammi: Wanna just break up?

  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,536
    AL-BERT POOP-HOLES
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    roberto alomar ... ;)
  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,536
    polaris_x wrote:
    roberto alomar ... ;)

    Well, now his name doesn't sound anything like poop.
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