***The Official Philadelphia Phillies 2012 Thread***

The Fixer

I've got 2 tickets for Saturday's game I'm trying to sell. It's a 3:30 game vs Atlanta. My seats are money...section 139, row 18 (seats are along the LF foul line and my seats are on the railing -- think steve bartman's seats). I am heading to pittsburgh to visit friends this weekend, then to cleveland for the PJ show on sunday.

PM me if you're interested

pjhawks

The Fixer wrote:

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

Is it really a big deal that this dude got tasered? I mean, is it worth the national coverage? Maybe it's excessive force, maybe it's not. If it stops future incidents for the organization then I guess it's a success, I dunno. I just know I enjoy these type of antics. But, at the same time, ya deserve whatever you get when you do something like this.

I love watching these clowns run on the field too. Of course it's not necessary for cops to taze someone...but most cops are douchebags. the kid weighed about a buck ten. it's not like he was a threat to anyone's safety. Just a drunken idiot

Love this scene from the Departed...

Billy Costigan: There was a cop leaving when I came in.
Madolyn: How did you know he was a cop?
Billy Costigan: Ya know, bad haircut, no dress sense, and, you know, a slight air of scumbag entitlement.

How do you know he wasn't a threat to anyone's safety? who knows what he might have had in his pockets or what if he swings at one of the players. No sympathy whatsoever for this dbag. You can't pick and choose after the fact if it was right or not - maybe tasering a loser like this keeps the next loser from trying it.

Gary Carter

pjhawks wrote:

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

Is it really a big deal that this dude got tasered? I mean, is it worth the national coverage? Maybe it's excessive force, maybe it's not. If it stops future incidents for the organization then I guess it's a success, I dunno. I just know I enjoy these type of antics. But, at the same time, ya deserve whatever you get when you do something like this.

it is not excessive force. ask Monica Seles if allowing a fan to rush a field of play is ok - ask the 1st base coach of the white sox (i think it was the white sox...?) who got attacked a few years ago. keep dumb fuckers like this off the field and if tasering the ahole and having it played on national tv keeps dumb asses like this from doing it again then I am all for it.

I disagree

I think it was totally wrong to taze a minor. You mean to tell me a cop and 5 other people couldn't catch a 17 year old drunk. What if the kid didn't get up after he get tazed and died on the field.

Also times have changed from the 80's and 90's. People can easily carry weapons in their shoes or a pocket that won't get picked up by the metal wand. We all have seen at least one drunk do this every game back in the day and everyone in the stadium would laugh and say oh whata silly drunk and think nothing of it. Hell I can remember they would show it on tv and the announcers would poke fun at the drunk.

pjhawks

metsfan wrote:

pjhawks wrote:

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

Is it really a big deal that this dude got tasered? I mean, is it worth the national coverage? Maybe it's excessive force, maybe it's not. If it stops future incidents for the organization then I guess it's a success, I dunno. I just know I enjoy these type of antics. But, at the same time, ya deserve whatever you get when you do something like this.

it is not excessive force. ask Monica Seles if allowing a fan to rush a field of play is ok - ask the 1st base coach of the white sox (i think it was the white sox...?) who got attacked a few years ago. keep dumb fuckers like this off the field and if tasering the ahole and having it played on national tv keeps dumb asses like this from doing it again then I am all for it.

I disagree

I think it was totally wrong to taze a minor. You mean to tell me a cop and 5 other people couldn't catch a 17 year old drunk. What if the kid didn't get up after he get tazed and died on the field.

Also times have changed from the 80's and 90's. People can easily carry weapons in their shoes or a pocket that won't get picked up by the metal wand. We all have seen at least one drunk do this every game back in the day and everyone in the stadium would laugh and say oh whata silly drunk and think nothing of it. Hell I can remember they would show it on tv and the announcers would poke fun at the drunk.

so it was ok if he was 18? can you tell the age of everyone on site as they are running away from you? come on now. and if the kid didn't get up and died from the taser it would have been his own damn fault. don't go trespassing where you are not supposed to be. the story now is he even called his dad from the game and said he was going to do it - what a fn dbag. he not only should have been tasered a good ass kicking was probably in order as well. i imagine you'd have a different attitude if he was trespassing on your property?

Gary Carter

Nope I wouldn't have a different attitude. I'd call the cops and tell them someone is trespassing on my lawn and leave it at that. Yes I do have a tazer and a bat if this ever happened to me.

The only reason why this is a story is cause its a philly fan and espn(the tmz of sports) ran with the story. If espn didn't show this I wouldn't have noticed or cared much bout it.

The Juggler

metsfan wrote:

Nope I wouldn't have a different attitude. I'd call the cops and tell them someone is trespassing on my lawn and leave it at that. Yes I do have a tazer and a bat if this ever happened to me.
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contradictions are running rampant...

The Juggler

The Fixer wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

figures this is geting all kinds of exposure. why you ask? because it happened in philadelphia.

i didn't hear any talk about the guy who got tasered in oakland until last night. :roll:

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big game for cole tonight. going up against wainright. we are now in may. it's time for him to start pitching like a top of the rotation pitcher again. starting........NOW.

I'm heading down tonight. I'm not concerned about the starting pitching. The bullpen is another story

when all starters not named halladay have an era over 5, ya should be a bit concerned dude.

encouraging sign last night with blanton though. that was great to see. hamels has to get his shit together.

bullpen is a fucking mess right now--agreed. looks like mad dog is gonna miss a decent amount of time.

pjhawks

The Jeagler wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

figures this is geting all kinds of exposure. why you ask? because it happened in philadelphia.

i didn't hear any talk about the guy who got tasered in oakland until last night. :roll:

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big game for cole tonight. going up against wainright. we are now in may. it's time for him to start pitching like a top of the rotation pitcher again. starting........NOW.

I'm heading down tonight. I'm not concerned about the starting pitching. The bullpen is another story

when all starters not named halladay have an era over 5, ya should be a bit concerned dude.

encouraging sign last night with blanton though. that was great to see. hamels has to get his shit together.

bullpen is a fucking mess right now--agreed. looks like mad dog is gonna miss a decent amount of time.

the other reason to be concerned is that every team in the division is better than they were last year.

polaris_x

probably a bit excessive but the cop was out of shape so, he wasn't planning on running much more ...

having said that - the crappy thing is this kid is gonna get his 15 mins of fame ... sorta rewarded for acting like an idiot ...

RW81233

I think it was idiocy on both ends. Going onto the field isn't real smart considering you go to jail for doing it. However, where in that chase do you get the idea that he was going to do something wrong? He was waving those lame as white philly flags. Given the Philly police's past, and the danger of tazing someone (many have died and had psych problems from being tazed) who was visibly weaponless and not making any dangerous movements, this wasn't the best idea...jail the F out of him, or make him do community service, but there was no reason in this instance to zap the kid.

eeriepadave

in case anyone wants to see the video here it is. I think he deserved it for being an idiot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqtPUhYdz6M

Cliffy6745

That is honestly, quite possibly the greatest picture ever taken.

jimed14

Assumption of Risk.

You do something moronic, you should expect bad consequences.

Phillies fans have experience in this, I love this lugnut ....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P9x0cLCLD0

RW81233

Jimed isn't there an assumption of risk on both ends? I mean yeah the kid should assume he could get nailed by security or a left cross from Ryan Howard (god knows he can't hit anything else left handed), but that he could die from running on the field is something that doesn't have much precedent. On the flip side, there is plenty of precedent resulting from the negative effects of tazing someone. Thus isn't the cop who was too fat to catch a 17 year old running on the field taking on some assumption of risk too? What if the kid goes into cardiac arrest right there on the field and dies? Again I'm not defending the kid, he should have some form of strict punishment, but putting his life in peril doesn't fit the crime in my opinion...that goes for someone who is under or over 18 years of age.

jimed14

If someone could point me to the credible research about tazing deaths or negative effects, I'd love to read it.

But I just keep hearing words.

This kid got zapped and was walking again in under 30 seconds. If anything, this makes me think tazing is a good option.

RW81233

i know it happened this past year in bmore for 100% sure it was all over the news. I'll do some research for more stuff. Yes in most cases people pass out and get up, but dude philly police killing someone with all of their problems...it would not be good.

RW81233

http://politics.healthdiaries.com/list- ... onths.html

http://www.examiner.com/x-7732-AntiEsta ... de-effects

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZOt4xYvLSk

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2009/11 ... hurt-kids/

The Juggler

the cop was following phila police protocall. the commisioner was on the radio talking about it today. if you run away from the police, thus resisting arrest, you very well could get tased. end of story. let's move on.

The Juggler

RW81233 wrote:

I. Given the Philly police's past,.

just out of curiousity, what past are you referrring to?

and don't say MOVE because that was 25 years ago.

the recent past of the philly police department consists of them being gunned down at an alarming rate over the past few years. though that has improved a lot since '08.

jimed14

RW81233 wrote:

http://politics.healthdiaries.com/list-of-taser-deaths-over-the-past-two-months.html

http://www.examiner.com/x-7732-AntiEsta ... de-effects

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZOt4xYvLSk

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2009/11 ... hurt-kids/

RW, you're going to have to do a little better than that ... many of these are from 2007, some of those articles had zero sourcing (the list of deaths certainly didn't) ... one talked about tazing for more than three minutes (which certainly sounds excessive, more user error than a tazing issue, if you beat someone with a club for three minutes, they'd die as well) ... and the Canada video, well, I found it intersting that one gentleman said "he wasn't a threat" when the guy is throwing chairs and laptops around. I'd be interested in a follow up/autopsy report.

Probably turning into more of an AMT discussion at this point.