Anyone ever take Heroin ONCE?

1STmammal2wearPants

Jeremy1012 wrote:

am I the only one apart from Cate that thinks that it's up to the individual and who the hell are we to judge? I think heroin is a very dangerous thing to mess with and don't ever intend to because I have seen how it can effect some people but, never having used it, I can't possibly pass judgment on anyone who chooses to.

I don't judge, but I honestly do pity the person that tries heroin at any point in their life -- it could start a dangerous spiral and/or be a death sentence. Why play with fire when you don't have to, I say.

Flannel Shirt

Jeremy1012 wrote:

am I the only one apart from Cate that thinks that it's up to the individual and who the hell are we to judge? I think heroin is a very dangerous thing to mess with and don't ever intend to because I have seen how it can effect some people but, never having used it, I can't possibly pass judgment on anyone who chooses to.

I think a lot of people in here would agree that everything is up to the individual and we shouldnt judge. YOu two are not alone in that regard.

Passing judgement on somone and recommending they dont try heroin are two different things. Saying "hey kid, your a fucking loser scumbag jerkoff who will never amount to anything if you try heroin" is passing judgement. Saying, "he man, I dont recommened you do this because I have seen people die from it and I have seen it ruin many lives. its clinically proven to be very addictive and you may head down a road you choose not to" is not passing judgement at all? Am I wrong?

One of my childhood friends died from this shit. This person had children. Very, very sad. It was a bad choice trying it once because it had to start somewhere.

Flannel Shirt

danny72688 wrote:

That's why I said it was highly unlikely. It was more hypothetical than logical. The odds of you being able to get it again are good, and practically guaranteed if an addiction is developed in most cases I think.

I won't try it because it is readily available to me. If I try it once, all I gotta do is make a call if I want more. One time leads to two times leads to three times. Once in a while leads to once a week leads to once a day. If my use of pot is any determinite of how I'd treat herion, then it's a recipe for destruction that I'm well aware of it so I steer clear.

gotcha. understood.

chiquimonkey

justam wrote:

Call me old and cautious, but a very good friend of mine when I was young told me that it's best just to avoid it all together because some people DO get caught by it after just once.

Maybe not everybody gets caught, but what if you are one of the few that can't do it just once? Is it worth the trouble it'd cause?

that's my feeling too.

it's just being careless with your life. haven't there been ENOUGH examples of how this goes wrong? ignorance is bliss i suppose.

Jeremy1012

Flannel Shirt wrote:

I think a lot of people in here would agree that everything is up to the individual and we shouldnt judge. YOu two are not alone in that regard.

Passing judgement on somone and recommending they dont try heroin are two different things. Saying "hey kid, your a fucking loser scumbag jerkoff who will never amount to anything if you try heroin" is passing judgement. Saying, "he man, I dont recommened you do this because I have seen people die from it and I have seen it ruin many lives. its clinically proven to be very addictive and you may head down a road you choose not to" is not passing judgement at all? Am I wrong?

One of my childhood friends died from this shit. This person had children. Very, very sad. It was a bad choice trying it once because it had to start somewhere.

I get what you are saying, honestly I do, I just think that Cate seems to be getting it from all sides here just because she is providing a different angle. I don't think she has RECOMMENDED heroin at any point in this thread, she has just refused to subscribe to the notion that it is all bad. I couldn't say whether it is or not, having never tried it. I imagine that the drawbacks DO outway the positives but I'm not really in a position to make that call.

having said that, I do know that you, and Helen certainly, aren't being judgemental yourselves and are willing to hear what Cate has to say. There are others in this thread that don't seem to be so open-minded and are writing her views off by default because she isn't militantly anti-heroin.

Heineken Helen

Jeremy1012 wrote:

I get what you are saying, honestly I do, I just think that Cate seems to be getting it from all sides here just because she is providing a different angle. I don't think she has RECOMMENDED heroin at any point in this thread, she has just refused to subscribe to the notion that it is all bad. I couldn't say whether it is or not, having never tried it. I imagine that the drawbacks DO outway the positives but I'm not really in a position to make that call.

having said that, I do know that you, and Helen certainly, aren't being judgemental yourselves and are willing to hear what Cate has to say. There are others in this thread that don't seem to be so open-minded and are writing her views off by default because she isn't militantly anti-heroin.

those 'others' will always be around... I'm more interested in a good debate and learning stuff I don't know. I reckon we'd be amazed how many people we'd never suspect have TRIED heroin at some point... however is it a good idea to try it once? Seeing the amount of, what I can only describe as 'the living dead', on the streets of dublin :( that would have to be a big fat resounding no from me.

catefrances

Flannel Shirt wrote:

I am really dying for a response. You really belive its a good idea to try heroin? A good idea?

I cannot believe that. You think trying heroin is a good idea? Really?

I am repeating myself out of shock.

Maybe you are refering to someone ELSE in this thread who thinks trying heroin is a good idea, and if thats the case, I missed that and I am just as shocked by their statement that trying heroin is a good idea.

i never said it was good idea.

i said given the chance again i would do it.

i also said whether it was worth it or not, is up to the individual and that not everyone fucks up their life forever doing heroin. sure a lot of people do. but then a lot of people don't.

harmless_little_f***

Cate is just allowing us to take responsibility for ourselves. We can all give our own opinion, but that's all it is... our opinion.

You've all said it yourself, I. AM. MINE. Do we believe that when it comes to the crunch?

Heineken Helen

harmless_little_f*** wrote:

Cate is just allowing us to take responsibility for ourselves. We can all give our own opinion, but that's all it is... our opinion.

You've all said it yourself, I. AM. MINE. Do we believe that when it comes to the crunch?

but we're only giving our opinion here... nobody is judging anyone who tries it or forcing them not to, we've said that... but we're as entitled to OUR opinion as Cate is. Of course everyone can take responsibility for themselves... but IS IT A GOOD IDEA? Can you answer yes to that?

catefrances

Heineken Helen wrote:

but we're only giving our opinion here... nobody is judging anyone who tries it or forcing them not to, we've said that... but we're as entitled to OUR opinion as Cate is. Of course everyone can take responsibility for themselves... but IS IT A GOOD IDEA? Can you answer yes to that?

a good idea for who? you might not think it is a good idea for you. the majority of people here have said its not worth it... dont do it... i know people...blah blah blah. but no one, me included,(except danny72688 who all but implied it's not a good idea for him cause hes got too easy an acess to it) have actually said whether it is or not FOR THEM. you're all answering for evryone else.
and if you want me to be bluntly honest then yes i would say that right now where i am and how i feel that yes it would be a good idea. FOR ME.

Flannel Shirt

catefrances wrote:

i never said it was good idea.

i said given the chance again i would do it.

i also said whether it was worth it or not, is up to the individual and that not everyone fucks up their life forever doing heroin. sure a lot of people do. but then a lot of people don't.

so you agree its not a good idea? Or are you playing switzerland and just saying its an idea, not choosing between a good one or a bad one?

To each their own, I wouldnt try it once and I would also strongly recommend that you dont do it again, but its your decision.

Not everyone fucks up their life forever, agreed. I would disagree with you in that I belive A LOT (majority) of people fuck up their life for a long time by getting into heroin, possibly forever by trying it once, while few dont. (I have no data to back me up, but it seems logical based on life experience and what I have read).

catefrances

Flannel Shirt wrote:

so you agree its not a good idea? Or are you playing switzerland and just saying its an idea, not choosing between a good one or a bad one?

To each their own, I wouldnt try it once and I would also strongly recommend that you dont do it again, but its your decision.

Not everyone fucks up their life forever, agreed. I would disagree with you in that I belive A LOT (majority) of people fuck up their life for a long time by getting into heroin, possibly forever by trying it once, while few dont. (I have no data to back me up, but it seems logical based on life experience and what I have read).

no im not being switzerland. and calling switzerland neutral is a misnomer.

if you have read the entire thread, then you have read what i have had to say. and you will have seen that i ma very specific about who i do it with and who i get it from. you will also have noted that for me circumstances have changed and it's no longer just about me and that chance has gone. and seriously i hope the parameters that are up right now stay up. because losing him is not worth it.
does this make any sense?

Flannel Shirt

catefrances wrote:

a good idea for who? you might not think it is a good idea for you. the majority of people here have said its not worth it... dont do it... i know people...blah blah blah. but no one, me included,(except danny72688 who all but implied it's not a good idea for him cause hes got too easy an acess to it) have actually said whether it is or not FOR THEM. you're all answering for evryone else.
and if you want me to be bluntly honest then yes i would say that right now where i am and how i feel that yes it would be a good idea. FOR ME.

Heroin is NOT a good idea for anyone. When I say "anyone", I mean "anyone" who values first of all their life, their job, and their family. They dont value anyone who considers them important either. Thats just my opinion, and it happens to be the correct opinion.

This drug kills you painfully and ruins you life. Those are the facts. Anyone who disagrees is in a state of denial.

You mention that losing him is not worth it. The fact that you simply cannot give it up and not even worry about it, and that you have to struggle with that in your head shows how this drug can have a power over you. would recommend to everyone that they never ever try it one time. Never.

Dont take that the way it can be read. I am not being a jerkoff or smartass. Sympathetic, and if that offends you, sorry...its how I am.

urbanhippie

I have never used heroin, nor can I see me ever doing so... certainly if my life circumstances remain as they are now..

However I HAVE done a lot of things in my life that I once said I never would.

And I am sure there are people out there for whom heroin is just another recreational drug, that they can take or leave. Just as there are people who can take or leave alcohol and people who are alcoholics.

Just because you don't know 'em, don't mean they aren't there.

catefrances

Flannel Shirt wrote:

Heroin is NOT a good idea for anyone. When I say "anyone", I mean "anyone" who values first of all their life, their job, and their family. They dont value anyone who considers them important either. Thats just my opinion, and it happens to be the correct opinion.

This drug kills you painfully and ruins you life. Those are the facts. Anyone who disagrees is in a state of denial.

You mention that losing him is not worth it. The fact that you have to struggle with that in your head shows how this drug can have a power over you. I would recommend to everyone that they never ever try it one time. Never.

oh righto then i revoke everything i said on this thread as being without foundation or perspective and out of pure ignorance. i should have realised that whatever i said comes from living in a state of denial. i had no idea that an opinion could be called as definitive fact.

the drug has no power over me. there is no struggle. it has been many years since i did it. it was not a habit that i had, but a couple of times that i tried it. i have not been in its orbit for all those years that have passed. and then it reappeared. the opportunity was there. i didnt take it. and now circumstances have changed. and its gone again. thats it. my bringing him into it was wrong of me and i shouldn't have even mentioned it.

LONGRD

Flannel Shirt wrote:

Heroin is NOT a good idea for anyone. When I say "anyone", I mean "anyone" who values first of all their life, their job, and their family. They dont value anyone who considers them important either. Thats just my opinion, and it happens to be the correct opinion.

This drug kills you painfully and ruins you life. Those are the facts. Anyone who disagrees is in a state of denial.

You mention that losing him is not worth it. The fact that you simply cannot give it up and not even worry about it, and that you have to struggle with that in your head shows how this drug can have a power over you. would recommend to everyone that they never ever try it one time. Never.

Dont take that the way it can be read. I am not being a jerkoff or smartass. Sympathetic, and if that offends you, sorry...its how I am.

I didn't anyone who replied here said it's a good idea to take drugs at all. Some of us are saying it's up to the individual's personal choice whether they want to do drugs or not.

And yes, that decision is a bad one if you choose to do it BUT who are we to judge on what others want to do in their lives.

Some people have a desire and thirst to explore the boundaries of life. Some people choose to skydive, some choose to hike the tallest mountains, some choose to drift into Alaska with the minimal supplies, and I can go on with others hobbies but aren't all these choices as dangerous as choosing to do drugs? It's LIFE, some people feel the need to push the boundaries of life and some will choose drugs as a choice. It's a bad risky choice to make but life is risky.

Flannel Shirt

urbanhippie wrote:

I have never used heroin, nor can I see me ever doing so... certainly if my life circumstances remain as they are now..

However I HAVE done a lot of things in my life that I once said I never would.

And I am sure there are people out there for whom heroin is just another recreational drug, that they can take or leave. Just as there are people who can take or leave alcohol and people who are alcoholics.

Just because you don't know 'em, don't mean they aren't there.

I agree 100% with that statement.

Hey man, I understand many of the points in here. I really do. Being an alcoholic will kill you slowly as well. I know many alcoholics who have ruined their lives, families, jobs, etc. I wouldnt say do not try alcohol becuase you will become an alcoholic. I know many casual drinkers (myself included).

I guess I put heroin on a different level. I have seen first hand the terrible effects heroin can have on people in a SHORT period of time. I wouldnt tell someone trying meth is no big deal for the same reasons.

I would put cigarettes on that list of things I recommend you never try as well.

Anything that over time grabs you and refuses to let you go.

Collin

Flannel Shirt wrote:

I agree 100% with that statement.

Weird, because you also said: "Heroin is NOT a good idea for anyone. When I say "anyone", I mean "anyone" who values first of all their life, their job, and their family. They don't value anyone who considers them important either. That's just my opinion, and it happens to be the correct opinion."

This a very judgemental stance. Heroin fucks up lives, yes. Judging anyone who tries it and then saying you agree that 'some people can use it as a recreational drug and take it or leave it' doesn't make any sense.

The Champ

I’m a teacher so I tend to answer questions in relation to the betterment of the collective student population based less on personal experience and more on common logic, solid research and sound reasoning. And when applicable, this is appropriate on an individual basis as well.

A significant sector of the students I deal with go home to drug addicted low-life scumbag parents who abuse and neglect them. They live in un-controlled environments lacking structure, positive guidance and reinforcement. Thus my conscious does not allow me the liberty/luxury to tip-toe around issues or worry about being overly judgmental. These kids need direct and explicit instruction/information. Being vague, sending mixed messages and giving options is not the ideal or most effective approach. However, I do agree with Jeremy in terms of appropriate, factual and relevant information is vital.

With that said, obviously trying heroin is not a good idea under any circumstances. Whoever says otherwise is probably a user and/or is certainly caught in a situation where common alternatives seem less and less of a viable option. (Perhaps Cate and the mysterious heroin hero are the exception .)

Flannel Shirt

Collin wrote:

Weird, because you also said: "Heroin is NOT a good idea for anyone. When I say "anyone", I mean "anyone" who values first of all their life, their job, and their family. They don't value anyone who considers them important either. That's just my opinion, and it happens to be the correct opinion."

This a very judgemental stance. Heroin fucks up lives, yes. Judging anyone who tries it and then saying you agree that 'some people can use it as a recreational drug and take it or leave it' doesn't make any sense.

correction, I agree 80% with that statement.

I do agree with the champ 100%.