you didnt. and i didnt say you did. just dont break my balls about what i say either.
remember writing this: telling everyone who disagreed that they're wrong but not by explaining why they're wrong... I'm obviously not saying you have to tell at all but don't be so quick to shoot others and their opinions down.
i hardly think anything i posted was shooting anyone down. but by all means feel free to correct me if you think im mistaken.
a couple of the posts seemed that way... but apologies as I'm sure it probably wasn't intended the way it came across.
Anyway, I'm done with this nitpicking as it's quite an interesting conversation otherwise.
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Yeah, whether or not all recreationally used drugs are addicting really depends on the person.
yes it does, but they can lead you there, and with h thats enough.
jeremy i wasnt assuming that i was telling this to a child, i was arguing with you and 1 other person who said they new about drugs and have had tons of expierence, again I listed 3 times what drugs I was pointing the finger at and you looked over them to prove your point.
and stop talking down to me, smart people shouldnt have to continuosly do this to make their points
1 was enough but every post.
yes it does, but they can lead you there, and with h thats enough.
jeremy i wasnt assuming that i was telling this to a child, i was arguing with you and 1 other person who said they new about drugs and have had tons of expierence, again I listed 3 times what drugs I was pointing the finger at and you looked over them to prove your point.
and stop talking down to me, smart people shouldnt have to continuosly do this to make their points
1 was enough but every post.
You used a 15 year old that you knew dying from it as an example. You brought children into the debate. Not me. As for the drugs you listed, they are NOT the only recreational drugs in the world and yet you said that all recreational drugs are addictive. Stop making generalisations about things, then backtracking when people don't take you seriously. It does NOT make for a good argument.
As for talking down to you, I wasn't aware I had. I do remember you calling me "kid" though. Funny that. Grow up, pay attention to the discussion next time instead of blindly assuming you know everything and maybe I'll have an intelligent discussion with you again sometime. As for now, I'm done. I'm broed with this. You evidently will not hear anything remotely against your opinions.
"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
You used a 15 year old that you knew dying from it as an example. You brought children into the debate. Not me. As for the drugs you listed, they are NOT the only recreational drugs in the world and yet you said that all recreational drugs are addictive. Stop making generalisations about things, then backtracking when people don't take you seriously. It does NOT make for a good argument.
As for talking down to you, I wasn't aware I had. I do remember you calling me "kid" though. Funny that. Grow up, pay attention to the discussion next time instead of blindly assuming you know everything and maybe I'll have an intelligent discussion with you again sometime. As for now, I'm done. I'm broed with this. You evidently will not hear anything remotely against your opinions.
you called me an asshole, you werent aware that you had
i get everything you are saying, and i braught the 15 year old up today, after 5 posts of arguing, and i called you a kid after you called me an asshole
an iddiot and other things i do not want to reread for the 3rd time.
and this is a measage pit usually based on music not drugs, so i am stating things from opinions and openly admitted my facts were exxagerated.
i know drugs can kill you. i've watched it happen. i also know that making out that drugs are absolute evil isn't the best plan of attack. or defense for that matter. ive seen some very nice people turn into absolute arseholes on drugs. people that i love who i dont much like when they are so out of it theyre abusive or hallucinating or aren't even sure who i am. and this is the mild side. so tis not as if im sitting here encouraging anyone to do drugs. i was giving my story. i certainly wasnt going to answer the original question with a resounding and hypocritical "good lord no only an absolute idiot would take heroin." sure drugs fuck up people's lives. but some people come through and some people don't. what i am saying is, it is up to the individual, that's all. take responsibility for your own life. is it worth it? well i guess that again comes down to the individual. we can all tell our stories of horror, but in the end tis not our decision.
Great post there cate!
I've taken drugs, though not heroin, but other hard addictive drugs. Was I an idiot for doing them? In my opinion, Hell No! It was a choice I made for myself in that particular stage of my life. Life is based on decisions you make, both good and bad. Those who are highly influenced by others are the ones that will get themselves in trouble.
learn some comprehension skills and maybe you'll be able to stay with the conversation and not mistakenly second guess people's intentions.
I was staying with the conversation... but you and I BOTH took it away to some nitpicking. We both know that posts can be misinterpreted. I interpreted yours as telling people they were wrong . Other's accused your posts as being vague too so it's not just me obviously
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
I think we all agree that its really not a good idea to try it once.
This drug kills people. Thats a fact. Its very addictive. Thats also a fact. It may not kill you today, maybe not tomorrow, maybe not the first time you use it, but it will get you if you start and dont stop, and ITS VERY HARD TO STOP. That is the concern when you hear of someone possibly wanting to try it. Maybe the person will be the exception and not the rule, and they will be able to try it only one time and never again. That said, a bit of good advice is to let someone know its not a wise choice. I know of no heroin addict that is over 50, and if they are, they probably look 95 and have had a terrible life.
All that's sacred, comes from youth....dedications, naive and true.
I was staying with the conversation... but you and I BOTH took it away to some nitpicking. We both know that posts can be misinterpreted. I interpreted yours as telling people they were wrong . Other's accused your posts as being vague too so it's not just me obviously
prljmngrl asked me why i was being elusive. and i responded to that.
i said something in opposition to some people. that does not equate with me saying they are wrong. nor does me pulling someone up on what they say as being an absolute, when it clearly is not. but i know this is an extremely emotional subject of some people and that colours their opinion. nothing wrong with that.
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Pretty telling that anyone would believe trying heroin is ok.
No matter their life circumstances. We all go through hard times...it's life. Turning to a drug or alcohol to overcome or escape shows mental weakness. No matter how anyone tries to reason it. It's weakness.
I've had plenty of opportunities to try it, but I refuse. And the reason for that is because I have plenty of opportunity to get it, free for a while I'd bet. Too risky in my situation.
Now let's say, in this highly unlikely situation, that it's an isolated incident and the first time user has no way of obtaining some ever again.....go for it if that's your fancy. But preferably not with a needle (AIDS, internal bruising if you don't inject correctly, far greater chance of addiction, etc.).
I am really dying for a response. You really belive its a good idea to try heroin? A good idea?
I cannot believe that. You think trying heroin is a good idea? Really?
I am repeating myself out of shock.
Maybe you are refering to someone ELSE in this thread who thinks trying heroin is a good idea, and if thats the case, I missed that and I am just as shocked by their statement that trying heroin is a good idea.
All that's sacred, comes from youth....dedications, naive and true.
I've had plenty of opportunities to try it, but I refuse. And the reason for that is because I have plenty of opportunity to get it, free for a while I'd bet. Too risky in my situation.
Now let's say, in this highly unlikely situation, that it's an isolated incident and the first time user has no way of obtaining some ever again.....go for it if that's your fancy. But preferably not with a needle (AIDS, internal bruising if you don't inject correctly, far greater chance of addiction, etc.).
I disagree 110% with the second paragraph. Its obviously only relevant if stranded on a desert island, but I still disagree. How would you never be able to get it again?
I am not sure I understand the first paragraph? You dont do it because you can?
All that's sacred, comes from youth....dedications, naive and true.
am I the only one apart from Cate that thinks that it's up to the individual and who the hell are we to judge? I think heroin is a very dangerous thing to mess with and don't ever intend to because I have seen how it can effect some people but, never having used it, I can't possibly pass judgment on anyone who chooses to.
"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
am I the only one apart from Cate that thinks that it's up to the individual and who the hell are we to judge? I think heroin is a very dangerous thing to mess with and don't ever intend to because I have seen how it can effect some people but, never having used it, I can't possibly pass judgment on anyone who chooses to.
nobody's judging... we're not calling those who have tried it names or saying they'll burn in hell or anything. All that's being contested at the moment is a simple question: is it a good idea to try heroin once? I honestly find it impossible to believe that anyone can answer yes to that
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
I disagree 110% with the second paragraph. Its obviously only relevant if stranded on a desert island, but I still disagree. How would you never be able to get it again?
I am not sure I understand the first paragraph? You dont do it because you can?
That's why I said it was highly unlikely. It was more hypothetical than logical. The odds of you being able to get it again are good, and practically guaranteed if an addiction is developed in most cases I think.
I won't try it because it is readily available to me. If I try it once, all I gotta do is make a call if I want more. One time leads to two times leads to three times. Once in a while leads to once a week leads to once a day. If my use of pot is any determinite of how I'd treat herion, then it's a recipe for destruction that I'm well aware of it so I steer clear.
am I the only one apart from Cate that thinks that it's up to the individual and who the hell are we to judge? I think heroin is a very dangerous thing to mess with and don't ever intend to because I have seen how it can effect some people but, never having used it, I can't possibly pass judgment on anyone who chooses to.
I don't judge, but I honestly do pity the person that tries heroin at any point in their life -- it could start a dangerous spiral and/or be a death sentence. Why play with fire when you don't have to, I say.
2003 Mansfield III 2004 Boston I 2006 Boston I 2008 Bonnaroo, Hartford, Mansfield I 2010 Hartford 2013 Worcester I, Worcester II, Hartford 2016 Bonnaroo, Fenway I, Fenway II 2018 Fenway I, Fenway II 2021 Sea.Hear.Now 2022 Camden 2024 MSG I, Fenway I, Fenway II
am I the only one apart from Cate that thinks that it's up to the individual and who the hell are we to judge? I think heroin is a very dangerous thing to mess with and don't ever intend to because I have seen how it can effect some people but, never having used it, I can't possibly pass judgment on anyone who chooses to.
I think a lot of people in here would agree that everything is up to the individual and we shouldnt judge. YOu two are not alone in that regard.
Passing judgement on somone and recommending they dont try heroin are two different things. Saying "hey kid, your a fucking loser scumbag jerkoff who will never amount to anything if you try heroin" is passing judgement. Saying, "he man, I dont recommened you do this because I have seen people die from it and I have seen it ruin many lives. its clinically proven to be very addictive and you may head down a road you choose not to" is not passing judgement at all? Am I wrong?
One of my childhood friends died from this shit. This person had children. Very, very sad. It was a bad choice trying it once because it had to start somewhere.
All that's sacred, comes from youth....dedications, naive and true.
That's why I said it was highly unlikely. It was more hypothetical than logical. The odds of you being able to get it again are good, and practically guaranteed if an addiction is developed in most cases I think.
I won't try it because it is readily available to me. If I try it once, all I gotta do is make a call if I want more. One time leads to two times leads to three times. Once in a while leads to once a week leads to once a day. If my use of pot is any determinite of how I'd treat herion, then it's a recipe for destruction that I'm well aware of it so I steer clear.
gotcha. understood.
All that's sacred, comes from youth....dedications, naive and true.
Call me old and cautious, but a very good friend of mine when I was young told me that it's best just to avoid it all together because some people DO get caught by it after just once.
Maybe not everybody gets caught, but what if you are one of the few that can't do it just once? Is it worth the trouble it'd cause?
that's my feeling too.
it's just being careless with your life. haven't there been ENOUGH examples of how this goes wrong? ignorance is bliss i suppose.
I think a lot of people in here would agree that everything is up to the individual and we shouldnt judge. YOu two are not alone in that regard.
Passing judgement on somone and recommending they dont try heroin are two different things. Saying "hey kid, your a fucking loser scumbag jerkoff who will never amount to anything if you try heroin" is passing judgement. Saying, "he man, I dont recommened you do this because I have seen people die from it and I have seen it ruin many lives. its clinically proven to be very addictive and you may head down a road you choose not to" is not passing judgement at all? Am I wrong?
One of my childhood friends died from this shit. This person had children. Very, very sad. It was a bad choice trying it once because it had to start somewhere.
I get what you are saying, honestly I do, I just think that Cate seems to be getting it from all sides here just because she is providing a different angle. I don't think she has RECOMMENDED heroin at any point in this thread, she has just refused to subscribe to the notion that it is all bad. I couldn't say whether it is or not, having never tried it. I imagine that the drawbacks DO outway the positives but I'm not really in a position to make that call.
having said that, I do know that you, and Helen certainly, aren't being judgemental yourselves and are willing to hear what Cate has to say. There are others in this thread that don't seem to be so open-minded and are writing her views off by default because she isn't militantly anti-heroin.
"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
I get what you are saying, honestly I do, I just think that Cate seems to be getting it from all sides here just because she is providing a different angle. I don't think she has RECOMMENDED heroin at any point in this thread, she has just refused to subscribe to the notion that it is all bad. I couldn't say whether it is or not, having never tried it. I imagine that the drawbacks DO outway the positives but I'm not really in a position to make that call.
having said that, I do know that you, and Helen certainly, aren't being judgemental yourselves and are willing to hear what Cate has to say. There are others in this thread that don't seem to be so open-minded and are writing her views off by default because she isn't militantly anti-heroin.
those 'others' will always be around... I'm more interested in a good debate and learning stuff I don't know. I reckon we'd be amazed how many people we'd never suspect have TRIED heroin at some point... however is it a good idea to try it once? Seeing the amount of, what I can only describe as 'the living dead', on the streets of dublin :( that would have to be a big fat resounding no from me.
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
I am really dying for a response. You really belive its a good idea to try heroin? A good idea?
I cannot believe that. You think trying heroin is a good idea? Really?
I am repeating myself out of shock.
Maybe you are refering to someone ELSE in this thread who thinks trying heroin is a good idea, and if thats the case, I missed that and I am just as shocked by their statement that trying heroin is a good idea.
i never said it was good idea.
i said given the chance again i would do it.
i also said whether it was worth it or not, is up to the individual and that not everyone fucks up their life forever doing heroin. sure a lot of people do. but then a lot of people don't.
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Cate is just allowing us to take responsibility for ourselves. We can all give our own opinion, but that's all it is... our opinion.
You've all said it yourself, I. AM. MINE. Do we believe that when it comes to the crunch?
'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'
Cate is just allowing us to take responsibility for ourselves. We can all give our own opinion, but that's all it is... our opinion.
You've all said it yourself, I. AM. MINE. Do we believe that when it comes to the crunch?
but we're only giving our opinion here... nobody is judging anyone who tries it or forcing them not to, we've said that... but we're as entitled to OUR opinion as Cate is. Of course everyone can take responsibility for themselves... but IS IT A GOOD IDEA? Can you answer yes to that?
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
but we're only giving our opinion here... nobody is judging anyone who tries it or forcing them not to, we've said that... but we're as entitled to OUR opinion as Cate is. Of course everyone can take responsibility for themselves... but IS IT A GOOD IDEA? Can you answer yes to that?
a good idea for who? you might not think it is a good idea for you. the majority of people here have said its not worth it... dont do it... i know people...blah blah blah. but no one, me included,(except danny72688 who all but implied it's not a good idea for him cause hes got too easy an acess to it) have actually said whether it is or not FOR THEM. you're all answering for evryone else.
and if you want me to be bluntly honest then yes i would say that right now where i am and how i feel that yes it would be a good idea. FOR ME.
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Comments
Anyway, I'm done with this nitpicking as it's quite an interesting conversation otherwise.
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
yes it does, but they can lead you there, and with h thats enough.
jeremy i wasnt assuming that i was telling this to a child, i was arguing with you and 1 other person who said they new about drugs and have had tons of expierence, again I listed 3 times what drugs I was pointing the finger at and you looked over them to prove your point.
and stop talking down to me, smart people shouldnt have to continuosly do this to make their points
1 was enough but every post.
no more shows
As for talking down to you, I wasn't aware I had. I do remember you calling me "kid" though. Funny that. Grow up, pay attention to the discussion next time instead of blindly assuming you know everything and maybe I'll have an intelligent discussion with you again sometime. As for now, I'm done. I'm broed with this. You evidently will not hear anything remotely against your opinions.
i get everything you are saying, and i braught the 15 year old up today, after 5 posts of arguing, and i called you a kid after you called me an asshole
an iddiot and other things i do not want to reread for the 3rd time.
and this is a measage pit usually based on music not drugs, so i am stating things from opinions and openly admitted my facts were exxagerated.
no more shows
learn some comprehension skills and maybe you'll be able to stay with the conversation and not mistakenly second guess people's intentions.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
I've taken drugs, though not heroin, but other hard addictive drugs. Was I an idiot for doing them? In my opinion, Hell No! It was a choice I made for myself in that particular stage of my life. Life is based on decisions you make, both good and bad. Those who are highly influenced by others are the ones that will get themselves in trouble.
EV- 08/09,10/2008.06/08,09/2009
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
This drug kills people. Thats a fact. Its very addictive. Thats also a fact. It may not kill you today, maybe not tomorrow, maybe not the first time you use it, but it will get you if you start and dont stop, and ITS VERY HARD TO STOP. That is the concern when you hear of someone possibly wanting to try it. Maybe the person will be the exception and not the rule, and they will be able to try it only one time and never again. That said, a bit of good advice is to let someone know its not a wise choice. I know of no heroin addict that is over 50, and if they are, they probably look 95 and have had a terrible life.
prljmngrl asked me why i was being elusive. and i responded to that.
i said something in opposition to some people. that does not equate with me saying they are wrong. nor does me pulling someone up on what they say as being an absolute, when it clearly is not. but i know this is an extremely emotional subject of some people and that colours their opinion. nothing wrong with that.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
no we don't ALL agree.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
who thinks its a good idea to try heroin once? I have a hard time believing that I just typed that sentence? Is there a dealer in this thread?
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Pretty telling that anyone would believe trying heroin is ok.
No matter their life circumstances. We all go through hard times...it's life. Turning to a drug or alcohol to overcome or escape shows mental weakness. No matter how anyone tries to reason it. It's weakness.
Society is in the shitter.
Now let's say, in this highly unlikely situation, that it's an isolated incident and the first time user has no way of obtaining some ever again.....go for it if that's your fancy. But preferably not with a needle (AIDS, internal bruising if you don't inject correctly, far greater chance of addiction, etc.).
I cannot believe that. You think trying heroin is a good idea? Really?
I am repeating myself out of shock.
Maybe you are refering to someone ELSE in this thread who thinks trying heroin is a good idea, and if thats the case, I missed that and I am just as shocked by their statement that trying heroin is a good idea.
I am not sure I understand the first paragraph? You dont do it because you can?
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
I won't try it because it is readily available to me. If I try it once, all I gotta do is make a call if I want more. One time leads to two times leads to three times. Once in a while leads to once a week leads to once a day. If my use of pot is any determinite of how I'd treat herion, then it's a recipe for destruction that I'm well aware of it so I steer clear.
I don't judge, but I honestly do pity the person that tries heroin at any point in their life -- it could start a dangerous spiral and/or be a death sentence. Why play with fire when you don't have to, I say.
2004 Boston I
2006 Boston I
2008 Bonnaroo, Hartford, Mansfield I
2010 Hartford
2013 Worcester I, Worcester II, Hartford
2016 Bonnaroo, Fenway I, Fenway II
2018 Fenway I, Fenway II
2021 Sea.Hear.Now
2022 Camden
2024 MSG I, Fenway I, Fenway II
I think a lot of people in here would agree that everything is up to the individual and we shouldnt judge. YOu two are not alone in that regard.
Passing judgement on somone and recommending they dont try heroin are two different things. Saying "hey kid, your a fucking loser scumbag jerkoff who will never amount to anything if you try heroin" is passing judgement. Saying, "he man, I dont recommened you do this because I have seen people die from it and I have seen it ruin many lives. its clinically proven to be very addictive and you may head down a road you choose not to" is not passing judgement at all? Am I wrong?
One of my childhood friends died from this shit. This person had children. Very, very sad. It was a bad choice trying it once because it had to start somewhere.
it's just being careless with your life. haven't there been ENOUGH examples of how this goes wrong? ignorance is bliss i suppose.
having said that, I do know that you, and Helen certainly, aren't being judgemental yourselves and are willing to hear what Cate has to say. There are others in this thread that don't seem to be so open-minded and are writing her views off by default because she isn't militantly anti-heroin.
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
i never said it was good idea.
i said given the chance again i would do it.
i also said whether it was worth it or not, is up to the individual and that not everyone fucks up their life forever doing heroin. sure a lot of people do. but then a lot of people don't.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
You've all said it yourself, I. AM. MINE. Do we believe that when it comes to the crunch?
- the great Sir Leo Harrison
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
a good idea for who? you might not think it is a good idea for you. the majority of people here have said its not worth it... dont do it... i know people...blah blah blah. but no one, me included,(except danny72688 who all but implied it's not a good idea for him cause hes got too easy an acess to it) have actually said whether it is or not FOR THEM. you're all answering for evryone else.
and if you want me to be bluntly honest then yes i would say that right now where i am and how i feel that yes it would be a good idea. FOR ME.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say