i also said whether it was worth it or not, is up to the individual and that not everyone fucks up their life forever doing heroin. sure a lot of people do. but then a lot of people don't.
so you agree its not a good idea? Or are you playing switzerland and just saying its an idea, not choosing between a good one or a bad one?
To each their own, I wouldnt try it once and I would also strongly recommend that you dont do it again, but its your decision.
Not everyone fucks up their life forever, agreed. I would disagree with you in that I belive A LOT (majority) of people fuck up their life for a long time by getting into heroin, possibly forever by trying it once, while few dont. (I have no data to back me up, but it seems logical based on life experience and what I have read).
All that's sacred, comes from youth....dedications, naive and true.
so you agree its not a good idea? Or are you playing switzerland and just saying its an idea, not choosing between a good one or a bad one?
To each their own, I wouldnt try it once and I would also strongly recommend that you dont do it again, but its your decision.
Not everyone fucks up their life forever, agreed. I would disagree with you in that I belive A LOT (majority) of people fuck up their life for a long time by getting into heroin, possibly forever by trying it once, while few dont. (I have no data to back me up, but it seems logical based on life experience and what I have read).
no im not being switzerland. and calling switzerland neutral is a misnomer.
if you have read the entire thread, then you have read what i have had to say. and you will have seen that i ma very specific about who i do it with and who i get it from. you will also have noted that for me circumstances have changed and it's no longer just about me and that chance has gone. and seriously i hope the parameters that are up right now stay up. because losing him is not worth it.
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a good idea for who? you might not think it is a good idea for you. the majority of people here have said its not worth it... dont do it... i know people...blah blah blah. but no one, me included,(except danny72688 who all but implied it's not a good idea for him cause hes got too easy an acess to it) have actually said whether it is or not FOR THEM. you're all answering for evryone else.
and if you want me to be bluntly honest then yes i would say that right now where i am and how i feel that yes it would be a good idea. FOR ME.
Heroin is NOT a good idea for anyone. When I say "anyone", I mean "anyone" who values first of all their life, their job, and their family. They dont value anyone who considers them important either. Thats just my opinion, and it happens to be the correct opinion.
This drug kills you painfully and ruins you life. Those are the facts. Anyone who disagrees is in a state of denial.
You mention that losing him is not worth it. The fact that you simply cannot give it up and not even worry about it, and that you have to struggle with that in your head shows how this drug can have a power over you. would recommend to everyone that they never ever try it one time. Never.
Dont take that the way it can be read. I am not being a jerkoff or smartass. Sympathetic, and if that offends you, sorry...its how I am.
All that's sacred, comes from youth....dedications, naive and true.
I have never used heroin, nor can I see me ever doing so... certainly if my life circumstances remain as they are now..
However I HAVE done a lot of things in my life that I once said I never would.
And I am sure there are people out there for whom heroin is just another recreational drug, that they can take or leave. Just as there are people who can take or leave alcohol and people who are alcoholics.
Just because you don't know 'em, don't mean they aren't there.
Heroin is NOT a good idea for anyone. When I say "anyone", I mean "anyone" who values first of all their life, their job, and their family. They dont value anyone who considers them important either. Thats just my opinion, and it happens to be the correct opinion.
This drug kills you painfully and ruins you life. Those are the facts. Anyone who disagrees is in a state of denial.
You mention that losing him is not worth it. The fact that you have to struggle with that in your head shows how this drug can have a power over you. I would recommend to everyone that they never ever try it one time. Never.
oh righto then i revoke everything i said on this thread as being without foundation or perspective and out of pure ignorance. i should have realised that whatever i said comes from living in a state of denial. i had no idea that an opinion could be called as definitive fact.
the drug has no power over me. there is no struggle. it has been many years since i did it. it was not a habit that i had, but a couple of times that i tried it. i have not been in its orbit for all those years that have passed. and then it reappeared. the opportunity was there. i didnt take it. and now circumstances have changed. and its gone again. thats it. my bringing him into it was wrong of me and i shouldn't have even mentioned it.
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Heroin is NOT a good idea for anyone. When I say "anyone", I mean "anyone" who values first of all their life, their job, and their family. They dont value anyone who considers them important either. Thats just my opinion, and it happens to be the correct opinion.
This drug kills you painfully and ruins you life. Those are the facts. Anyone who disagrees is in a state of denial.
You mention that losing him is not worth it. The fact that you simply cannot give it up and not even worry about it, and that you have to struggle with that in your head shows how this drug can have a power over you. would recommend to everyone that they never ever try it one time. Never.
Dont take that the way it can be read. I am not being a jerkoff or smartass. Sympathetic, and if that offends you, sorry...its how I am.
I didn't anyone who replied here said it's a good idea to take drugs at all. Some of us are saying it's up to the individual's personal choice whether they want to do drugs or not.
And yes, that decision is a bad one if you choose to do it BUT who are we to judge on what others want to do in their lives.
Some people have a desire and thirst to explore the boundaries of life. Some people choose to skydive, some choose to hike the tallest mountains, some choose to drift into Alaska with the minimal supplies, and I can go on with others hobbies but aren't all these choices as dangerous as choosing to do drugs? It's LIFE, some people feel the need to push the boundaries of life and some will choose drugs as a choice. It's a bad risky choice to make but life is risky.
I have never used heroin, nor can I see me ever doing so... certainly if my life circumstances remain as they are now..
However I HAVE done a lot of things in my life that I once said I never would.
And I am sure there are people out there for whom heroin is just another recreational drug, that they can take or leave. Just as there are people who can take or leave alcohol and people who are alcoholics.
Just because you don't know 'em, don't mean they aren't there.
I agree 100% with that statement.
Hey man, I understand many of the points in here. I really do. Being an alcoholic will kill you slowly as well. I know many alcoholics who have ruined their lives, families, jobs, etc. I wouldnt say do not try alcohol becuase you will become an alcoholic. I know many casual drinkers (myself included).
I guess I put heroin on a different level. I have seen first hand the terrible effects heroin can have on people in a SHORT period of time. I wouldnt tell someone trying meth is no big deal for the same reasons.
I would put cigarettes on that list of things I recommend you never try as well.
Anything that over time grabs you and refuses to let you go.
All that's sacred, comes from youth....dedications, naive and true.
Weird, because you also said: "Heroin is NOT a good idea for anyone. When I say "anyone", I mean "anyone" who values first of all their life, their job, and their family. They don't value anyone who considers them important either. That's just my opinion, and it happens to be the correct opinion."
This a very judgemental stance. Heroin fucks up lives, yes. Judging anyone who tries it and then saying you agree that 'some people can use it as a recreational drug and take it or leave it' doesn't make any sense.
I’m a teacher so I tend to answer questions in relation to the betterment of the collective student population based less on personal experience and more on common logic, solid research and sound reasoning. And when applicable, this is appropriate on an individual basis as well.
A significant sector of the students I deal with go home to drug addicted low-life scumbag parents who abuse and neglect them. They live in un-controlled environments lacking structure, positive guidance and reinforcement. Thus my conscious does not allow me the liberty/luxury to tip-toe around issues or worry about being overly judgmental. These kids need direct and explicit instruction/information. Being vague, sending mixed messages and giving options is not the ideal or most effective approach. However, I do agree with Jeremy in terms of appropriate, factual and relevant information is vital.
With that said, obviously trying heroin is not a good idea under any circumstances. Whoever says otherwise is probably a user and/or is certainly caught in a situation where common alternatives seem less and less of a viable option. (Perhaps Cate and the mysterious heroin hero are the exception .)
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Weird, because you also said: "Heroin is NOT a good idea for anyone. When I say "anyone", I mean "anyone" who values first of all their life, their job, and their family. They don't value anyone who considers them important either. That's just my opinion, and it happens to be the correct opinion."
This a very judgemental stance. Heroin fucks up lives, yes. Judging anyone who tries it and then saying you agree that 'some people can use it as a recreational drug and take it or leave it' doesn't make any sense.
correction, I agree 80% with that statement.
I do agree with the champ 100%.
All that's sacred, comes from youth....dedications, naive and true.
Pretty telling that anyone would believe trying heroin is ok.
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I agree. It's a sad world we live in that some people have no where else to turn for comfort but to drugs. Do you think that is entirely societal or moreso character? I think the latter.
I don't. My grandmother received heroin during her last days to ease the pain
Anyway, if people ask me I'll always say it's probably not a very wise thing to do. But it's their choice, like I said, I know people who have 'chased the dragon' and they're fine. Was it a bad idea? From what one of them told me, no. He had a very profound, wonderful experience and he's very glad he had it but he won't be doing heroin again. It didn't fuck him up. He's alive and well.
I think like with most things the key is education and information. I know what it can do and I have decided for myself that I won't try it, I won't say, however, that heroin is always a bad idea. Also, because the term "bad idea" is a bit meaningless.
Trying heroin one time is not a smart decision. My opinion. Take it or leave it. I will tell everyone and anyone I know that same thing.
Now if you are dying or in intense pain from a disease, I have no problem with Dr. assisted pain medication.
I hope the threadstarter takes the advice from us who recommend he not try it.
I am sure Russian roulette is pretty intense game and a way "to explore the boundaries of life", but I wouldnt recommend that either. 83% of those who try it live to tell about it. Even with those odds in your favor, its still a very bad idea.
Peace to you all.
All that's sacred, comes from youth....dedications, naive and true.
Even with those odds in your favor, its still a very bad idea.
Peace to you all.
Agreed. Just look at Christopher Walken's character in The Deer Hunter.
"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
i woke up this morning and realised that a lot of what i've said on this thread was extremely disrespectful and offensive to someone i love. and for that, and only that, i apologise to him.
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I’m a teacher so I tend to answer questions in relation to the betterment of the collective student population based less on personal experience and more on common logic, solid research and sound reasoning. And when applicable, this is appropriate on an individual basis as well.
A significant sector of the students I deal with go home to drug addicted low-life scumbag parents who abuse and neglect them. They live in un-controlled environments lacking structure, positive guidance and reinforcement. Thus my conscious does not allow me the liberty/luxury to tip-toe around issues or worry about being overly judgmental. These kids need direct and explicit instruction/information. Being vague, sending mixed messages and giving options is not the ideal or most effective approach. However, I do agree with Jeremy in terms of appropriate, factual and relevant information is vital.
With that said, obviously trying heroin is not a good idea under any circumstances. Whoever says otherwise is probably a user and/or is certainly caught in a situation where common alternatives seem less and less of a viable option. (Perhaps Cate and the mysterious heroin hero are the exception .)
Excellent post and yep, I would also add cigarettes to the list of things I would NOT advise people to try once EVER.
Cate, I don't see how you could have been disrespectful or offensive to anyone... I for one had no idea what you were trying to say... you gave no details so I wouldn't worry about it.
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Cate, I don't see how you could have been disrespectful or offensive to anyone... I for one had no idea what you were trying to say... you gave no details so I wouldn't worry about it.
well of course you dont helen. i wasnt talking about you now was i?
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To each their own, I wouldnt try it once and I would also strongly recommend that you dont do it again, but its your decision.
Not everyone fucks up their life forever, agreed. I would disagree with you in that I belive A LOT (majority) of people fuck up their life for a long time by getting into heroin, possibly forever by trying it once, while few dont. (I have no data to back me up, but it seems logical based on life experience and what I have read).
no im not being switzerland. and calling switzerland neutral is a misnomer.
if you have read the entire thread, then you have read what i have had to say. and you will have seen that i ma very specific about who i do it with and who i get it from. you will also have noted that for me circumstances have changed and it's no longer just about me and that chance has gone. and seriously i hope the parameters that are up right now stay up. because losing him is not worth it.
does this make any sense?
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
This drug kills you painfully and ruins you life. Those are the facts. Anyone who disagrees is in a state of denial.
You mention that losing him is not worth it. The fact that you simply cannot give it up and not even worry about it, and that you have to struggle with that in your head shows how this drug can have a power over you. would recommend to everyone that they never ever try it one time. Never.
Dont take that the way it can be read. I am not being a jerkoff or smartass. Sympathetic, and if that offends you, sorry...its how I am.
However I HAVE done a lot of things in my life that I once said I never would.
And I am sure there are people out there for whom heroin is just another recreational drug, that they can take or leave. Just as there are people who can take or leave alcohol and people who are alcoholics.
Just because you don't know 'em, don't mean they aren't there.
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oh righto then i revoke everything i said on this thread as being without foundation or perspective and out of pure ignorance. i should have realised that whatever i said comes from living in a state of denial. i had no idea that an opinion could be called as definitive fact.
the drug has no power over me. there is no struggle. it has been many years since i did it. it was not a habit that i had, but a couple of times that i tried it. i have not been in its orbit for all those years that have passed. and then it reappeared. the opportunity was there. i didnt take it. and now circumstances have changed. and its gone again. thats it. my bringing him into it was wrong of me and i shouldn't have even mentioned it.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
And yes, that decision is a bad one if you choose to do it BUT who are we to judge on what others want to do in their lives.
Some people have a desire and thirst to explore the boundaries of life. Some people choose to skydive, some choose to hike the tallest mountains, some choose to drift into Alaska with the minimal supplies, and I can go on with others hobbies but aren't all these choices as dangerous as choosing to do drugs? It's LIFE, some people feel the need to push the boundaries of life and some will choose drugs as a choice. It's a bad risky choice to make but life is risky.
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I agree 100% with that statement.
Hey man, I understand many of the points in here. I really do. Being an alcoholic will kill you slowly as well. I know many alcoholics who have ruined their lives, families, jobs, etc. I wouldnt say do not try alcohol becuase you will become an alcoholic. I know many casual drinkers (myself included).
I guess I put heroin on a different level. I have seen first hand the terrible effects heroin can have on people in a SHORT period of time. I wouldnt tell someone trying meth is no big deal for the same reasons.
I would put cigarettes on that list of things I recommend you never try as well.
Anything that over time grabs you and refuses to let you go.
Weird, because you also said: "Heroin is NOT a good idea for anyone. When I say "anyone", I mean "anyone" who values first of all their life, their job, and their family. They don't value anyone who considers them important either. That's just my opinion, and it happens to be the correct opinion."
This a very judgemental stance. Heroin fucks up lives, yes. Judging anyone who tries it and then saying you agree that 'some people can use it as a recreational drug and take it or leave it' doesn't make any sense.
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A significant sector of the students I deal with go home to drug addicted low-life scumbag parents who abuse and neglect them. They live in un-controlled environments lacking structure, positive guidance and reinforcement. Thus my conscious does not allow me the liberty/luxury to tip-toe around issues or worry about being overly judgmental. These kids need direct and explicit instruction/information. Being vague, sending mixed messages and giving options is not the ideal or most effective approach. However, I do agree with Jeremy in terms of appropriate, factual and relevant information is vital.
With that said, obviously trying heroin is not a good idea under any circumstances. Whoever says otherwise is probably a user and/or is certainly caught in a situation where common alternatives seem less and less of a viable option. (Perhaps Cate and the mysterious heroin hero are the exception
put on a slow, dumb show for you
and crack you up
so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
god I'm very, very frightening
and I'll overdo it'
I do agree with the champ 100%.
I don't. My grandmother received heroin during her last days to ease the pain
Anyway, if people ask me I'll always say it's probably not a very wise thing to do. But it's their choice, like I said, I know people who have 'chased the dragon' and they're fine. Was it a bad idea? From what one of them told me, no. He had a very profound, wonderful experience and he's very glad he had it but he won't be doing heroin again. It didn't fuck him up. He's alive and well.
I think like with most things the key is education and information. I know what it can do and I have decided for myself that I won't try it, I won't say, however, that heroin is always a bad idea. Also, because the term "bad idea" is a bit meaningless.
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Now if you are dying or in intense pain from a disease, I have no problem with Dr. assisted pain medication.
I hope the threadstarter takes the advice from us who recommend he not try it.
I am sure Russian roulette is pretty intense game and a way "to explore the boundaries of life", but I wouldnt recommend that either. 83% of those who try it live to tell about it. Even with those odds in your favor, its still a very bad idea.
Peace to you all.
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Cate, I don't see how you could have been disrespectful or offensive to anyone... I for one had no idea what you were trying to say... you gave no details so I wouldn't worry about it.
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
well of course you dont helen. i wasnt talking about you now was i?
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