My oldest friend takes heroin, or rather he does when he can get it. He's been clean for 2 months through necessity, not choice. Weird thing is, right now I'm not overly concerned for him. I keep an eye on him but the guy is by no means a waster. He has been working through his gap year, has just received an unconditional offer for his second choice university and an offer to his first choice and seems entirely in control of himself. For now. I fear that he won't always be the exception to the "heroin fucks everyone who takes it" rule, even if he is now. I've known the guy for 11 years so I'm not going to judge him but I do sometimes wonder if it is going to end up the way you'd expect it to.
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I have snorted and smoked, but never injected. I seriously doubt that anyone can be a casual user. It was recreational for me, but I stopped the minute I felt like a needed it. This was 10 plus years ago.
I think once you inject, you are done. Has anyone read the Heroin Diaries by Nikki Six? Good book, great insight.
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Is it possible? Can you just stop after one time? This is just out of pure curiosity...
Call me old and cautious, but a very good friend of mine when I was young told me that it's best just to avoid it all together because some people DO get caught by it after just once.
Maybe not everybody gets caught, but what if you are one of the few that can't do it just once? Is it worth the trouble it'd cause?
all I can say is, if you're ever going to try it just for the one off experience, for chrissakes snort it. Stay the fuck away from needles. Coming up slowly removes the instant euphoria that people get so hopelessly dependant on.
"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
Call me old and cautious, but a very good friend of mine when I was young told me that it's best just to avoid it all together because some people DO get caught by it after just once.
Maybe not everybody gets caught, but what if you are one of the few that can't do it just once? Is it worth the trouble it'd cause?
hey there old and cautious ...i'm right there with ya.
in my younger years i did many different kinds of drugs, and enjoyed many often.....but i have NEVER had the desire to try heroin. some things just don't seem worth the risk? i definitely put heroin in that category. FAR too many lives lost/ruined by it. sure, the same can be said for many things....but heroin it seems a LOT more likely. nowadays, being old and cautious ....i have NO desire to try any *new* drugs, at ALL. basically, give me alcohol......and occasionally some MJ. i think the older you get, you value what an absolute GIFT every day is, and i want as many of em as i can enjoy.
i just LOVE being alive. so heroin....even once......no thanks.
Nick Cave did heroin for twenty + years and then just stopped cold when he realized he needed to.
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I think it depends on the person. Me, I'd never take it but I'm fearful of most drugs that aren't pot and oxycodone.
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theres no maybe about it. ive done it before and given the chance, i will do it again. for me there are no negatives. not now. anyway since then circumstances have changed, tis no longer about me and the chance has passed.
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For anyone thinking of trying it, compare the downside to the upside......its a no brainer....the thrill of a good nod is far outweighed by the chance of ruining your life!
Yes some asshole mixed it with my speed many years ago. His name was Butch and everyone in my neighborhood hated him. He used to brag about getting kicked out of his high school for selling cocaine to his fellow students. I remember thinking, "What kind of asshole sells cocaine to high school students?"
I mean he is high on my list of disgusting human beings. I take comfort in knowing that he was not originally from southern california. Rather he was a southerner of sorts who moved here after things, according to him, "Got too crazy," wherever the hell he was from.
But drugs addicts are drug addicts and my personal convictions about moral decency went out the window when it came time for me to go searching for a bag of speed.
My friend and I snorted up the whole bag and about four hours later the heroin started to wear off and that was the worst feeling I had ever felt in quite some time. I remember just wanting to sleep it off but the speed was keeping me awake. My friend told me he had thrown up at some point.
I was always more of an uppers kind of person and I never understood the fascination with drugs that did not me feel like running 100 miles nonstop. Even today I have a 2 month supply of morphine in my closet and I won't go near it because of the feeling of being sedated just doesn't do it for me.
Oxycontin, on the other hand, is another story. Anyone who plays with OC knows what I'm talking about. There is no "nod" from oxycontin.
My favorite thing to do is just talk and talk and talk until all of the spit in my mouth is gone and everyone who is standing near is thinking of getting the hell away from this psychotic chatter-box who does not understand the meaning of a mutual conversation.
I have always wondered about the stuff as well. I have had 2 people who I at one point was very close to die from either using or complications from addiction and I have always wondered what the big fascination is. I was no longer close with them at the time of their deaths but these were people in their mid to late 30's. Not really an age of experimentation anymore imo. I have always been a recreational drug user, never really got 'hooked' on anything but this is one I've never ventured. Unless you count 'X' which supposedly has heroin in it. Guess I will just continue to wonder... Just don't understand how a person can completely ruin their life and the lives of people around them for a drug.
Well... the guy in Trainspotting said take your best orgasm of all time... multiply it by a thousand and you still don't even come close to heroin
Well... the guy in Trainspotting said take your best orgasm of all time... multiply it by a thousand and you still don't even come close to heroin
And that is exactly the roulette wheel you spin when you inject it. If that first rush, which is what every junk head (showing my age) is after, captures you, you will do anything to get it again. It becomes the soul focus of your existence. Growing up in Brooklyn I unfortunately had contact with quite a few junkies. When I was sixteen and working in a gas station, one of the people I worked with was an addict. He had been in jail for a year. Even after a year, the pull of the rush was so strong, the first thing he did when he was released was shoot up. Another person in the neighborhood was a golden gloves boxer who became addicted. He used to terrorize people and rob them. One day they found him dead in the schoolyard. I am not exaggerating when I tell you that people had parties to celebrate that he died.
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For anyone thinking of trying it, compare the downside to the upside......its a no brainer....the thrill of a good nod is far outweighed by the chance of ruining your life!
exactly... why do people tell themselves that they're different and can handle it? I smoked it once but only found out after that what I thought was a joint was laced with heroin. Thankfully I didn't smoke all that much but we were in a pretty bad situation that night and just needed to get away so I think all that contributed to why it didn't have tooooo much of an effect on me... but I've never felt the way I felt the next day, worst 'hangover' of my life and unlike any I've ever had. I genuinely believe that the people who 'spiked' us had much worse intentions that night and I was so glad to get away and find our friends.
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exactly... why do people tell themselves that they're different and can handle it? I smoked it once but only found out after that what I thought was a joint was laced with heroin. Thankfully I didn't smoke all that much but we were in a pretty bad situation that night and just needed to get away so I think all that contributed to why it didn't have tooooo much of an effect on me... but I've never felt the way I felt the next day, worst 'hangover' of my life and unlike any I've ever had. I genuinely believe that the people who 'spiked' us had much worse intentions that night and I was so glad to get away and find our friends.
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No one HERE on this thread perhaps... but I have read that exact thing over the years a few times on this board. People saying how they'd like to try it cos something that gets someone hooked so badly MUST be fucking fantastic :eek: or they suggest it's been glamourised wherever they are... and that they wouldn't worry about getting addicted cos they're stronger than that. Lots of pretty strong people have lost everything cos of that chance they took :mad:
Of course I'm sure people have different reactions to the stuff but why take that chance? With ANY drug?
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It definitely doesn't seem like the type of drug people take occasionally, but like something people get into who have had a lot of experience with other stuff. My brother-in-law is an addict and admitted to only trying heroin because everything else bored him. He eventually had to leave the town he grew up in and everyone he knew and has started over. But he definitely left a trail of broken relationships (and two kids who will never know their father) behind. Many sad stories...
I'd never want to even be in a position where I'd consider trying it. Plus, the people I hang around with wouldn't do that garbage.
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Everyone I have ever known who has used Heroin is dead, in jail, or about to be one of the two.
Regarding the ONCE thing....
I would never in a million years try it. EVERYONE has heard a story about a first time heroin user OD'ing, or getting HEP, or AIDS, or some terrible shit. I would never try it. Same with cocaine. I have heard a million stories of first time users dying from and OD.
it just ruins your life. period.
I'd only try weed. Never head of anyone OD'ing on pot. Passing out, sure, dying, never.
Dont try it. Not worth the risk.
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thankfully i've never been around any heroin users. apparently its some sort of west coast thing?
No, there was a special episode of A&E's "Intervention" that was all about this one high school outside of boston where a bunch of kids died of heroin ODs in one year. they all started off with oxycontin and progressed to heroin. DroptheLeash should be warned that most of the kids were his age or younger when they started too!
Same with cocaine. I have heard a million stories of first time users dying from and OD.
I can confirm that this is bullshit. I know countless people who use or have used cocaine, I have used it myself on 2 occasions. I don't intend to again but that's because I have an addictive personality and besides, it really wasn't as good as it's made out to be. Not worth the money or the long-term health issues. Besides, I know too many people who have been fucked up by addiction.
HOWEVER. I have NEVER known a person to OD, die or get into any sort of trouble over it from one use. If you know that you have proper stuff and not something cut with asbestos or sawdust and rat shit then cocaine is safer than a lot of drugs. Of course you can OD if you don't know what you're doing, same with any drug really. I have a friend who got so blazed on weed that he had to be carried home. I have never seen anyone get in a state like that from coke. The only downside in the short-term, as far as I can tell, as long as you know what you are doing, is that it makes you a complete dickhead. Take a regular cunt, stick a line or two of bolivia's finest up his nose and watch him become a super-cunt.
"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
I can confirm that this is bullshit. I know countless people who use or have used cocaine, I have used it myself on 2 occasions. I don't intend to again but that's because I have an addictive personality and besides, it really wasn't as good as it's made out to be. Not worth the money or the long-term health issues. Besides, I know too many people who have been fucked up by addiction.
HOWEVER. I have NEVER known a person to OD, die or get into any sort of trouble over it from one use. If you know that you have proper stuff and not something cut with asbestos or sawdust and rat shit then cocaine is safer than a lot of drugs. Of course you can OD if you don't know what you're doing, same with any drug really. I have a friend who got so blazed on weed that he had to be carried home. I have never seen anyone get in a state like that from coke. The only downside in the short-term, as far as I can tell, as long as you know what you are doing, is that it makes you a complete dickhead. Take a regular cunt, stick a line or two of bolivia's finest up his nose and watch him become a super-cunt.
just because you don't know anyone who has doesn't mean it hasn't happened. yeah, the chances are probably relatively small. however, you never know how something is going to effect your individual body. for example, you could have a pre-existing heart condition that you didn't even know about and *one* dose of cocaine could kill you.
i would like to see a drug that rids one of a the common cold instantly. i would take that drug.
as for herion, most people know the outcome, and from what i have read in this topic, most people know someone who has made the choice to inject this substance into their lives.
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I can confirm that this is bullshit. I know countless people who use or have used cocaine, I have used it myself on 2 occasions. I don't intend to again but that's because I have an addictive personality and besides, it really wasn't as good as it's made out to be. Not worth the money or the long-term health issues. Besides, I know too many people who have been fucked up by addiction.
HOWEVER. I have NEVER known a person to OD, die or get into any sort of trouble over it from one use. If you know that you have proper stuff and not something cut with asbestos or sawdust and rat shit then cocaine is safer than a lot of drugs. Of course you can OD if you don't know what you're doing, same with any drug really. I have a friend who got so blazed on weed that he had to be carried home. I have never seen anyone get in a state like that from coke. The only downside in the short-term, as far as I can tell, as long as you know what you are doing, is that it makes you a complete dickhead. Take a regular cunt, stick a line or two of bolivia's finest up his nose and watch him become a super-cunt.
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I know a few cokeheads. They are fucked up people, always chewing on straws, pens, ATM cards, twitching, rocking in their stance, taking 100000 miles a minute, paranoid beyone belief, and constantly grinding their teeth. One of them had a heart attack his first time. Not shitting you. He lived, and went back to it for god knows what reason. yes, it can easily kill you the first time.
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No, there was a special episode of A&E's "Intervention" that was all about this one high school outside of boston where a bunch of kids died of heroin ODs in one year. they all started off with oxycontin and progressed to heroin. DroptheLeash should be warned that most of the kids were his age or younger when they started too!
My ex just got back from rehab. He was doing 80's daily, robbing his family, making bets he didn't win just for the chance to make some money and buy his shit. Whether people know it or not, once can kill you, maybe not physically causing death, but it'll kill the person you were and make you into someone you never should have been.
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I think once you inject, you are done. Has anyone read the Heroin Diaries by Nikki Six? Good book, great insight.
Call me old and cautious, but a very good friend of mine when I was young told me that it's best just to avoid it all together because some people DO get caught by it after just once.
Maybe not everybody gets caught, but what if you are one of the few that can't do it just once? Is it worth the trouble it'd cause?
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hey there old and cautious
in my younger years i did many different kinds of drugs, and enjoyed many often.....but i have NEVER had the desire to try heroin. some things just don't seem worth the risk? i definitely put heroin in that category. FAR too many lives lost/ruined by it. sure, the same can be said for many things....but heroin it seems a LOT more likely. nowadays, being old and cautious
i just LOVE being alive. so heroin....even once......no thanks.
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I think it depends on the person. Me, I'd never take it but I'm fearful of most drugs that aren't pot and oxycodone.
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For anyone thinking of trying it, compare the downside to the upside......its a no brainer....the thrill of a good nod is far outweighed by the chance of ruining your life!
I mean he is high on my list of disgusting human beings. I take comfort in knowing that he was not originally from southern california. Rather he was a southerner of sorts who moved here after things, according to him, "Got too crazy," wherever the hell he was from.
But drugs addicts are drug addicts and my personal convictions about moral decency went out the window when it came time for me to go searching for a bag of speed.
My friend and I snorted up the whole bag and about four hours later the heroin started to wear off and that was the worst feeling I had ever felt in quite some time. I remember just wanting to sleep it off but the speed was keeping me awake. My friend told me he had thrown up at some point.
I was always more of an uppers kind of person and I never understood the fascination with drugs that did not me feel like running 100 miles nonstop. Even today I have a 2 month supply of morphine in my closet and I won't go near it because of the feeling of being sedated just doesn't do it for me.
Oxycontin, on the other hand, is another story. Anyone who plays with OC knows what I'm talking about. There is no "nod" from oxycontin.
My favorite thing to do is just talk and talk and talk until all of the spit in my mouth is gone and everyone who is standing near is thinking of getting the hell away from this psychotic chatter-box who does not understand the meaning of a mutual conversation.
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Well... the guy in Trainspotting said take your best orgasm of all time... multiply it by a thousand and you still don't even come close to heroin
And that is exactly the roulette wheel you spin when you inject it. If that first rush, which is what every junk head (showing my age) is after, captures you, you will do anything to get it again. It becomes the soul focus of your existence. Growing up in Brooklyn I unfortunately had contact with quite a few junkies. When I was sixteen and working in a gas station, one of the people I worked with was an addict. He had been in jail for a year. Even after a year, the pull of the rush was so strong, the first thing he did when he was released was shoot up. Another person in the neighborhood was a golden gloves boxer who became addicted. He used to terrorize people and rob them. One day they found him dead in the schoolyard. I am not exaggerating when I tell you that people had parties to celebrate that he died.
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no one here is saying that.
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Of course I'm sure people have different reactions to the stuff but why take that chance? With ANY drug?
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
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Heroin is death, I have never been in the same room with it.
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Regarding the ONCE thing....
I would never in a million years try it. EVERYONE has heard a story about a first time heroin user OD'ing, or getting HEP, or AIDS, or some terrible shit. I would never try it. Same with cocaine. I have heard a million stories of first time users dying from and OD.
it just ruins your life. period.
I'd only try weed. Never head of anyone OD'ing on pot. Passing out, sure, dying, never.
Dont try it. Not worth the risk.
No, there was a special episode of A&E's "Intervention" that was all about this one high school outside of boston where a bunch of kids died of heroin ODs in one year. they all started off with oxycontin and progressed to heroin. DroptheLeash should be warned that most of the kids were his age or younger when they started too!
HOWEVER. I have NEVER known a person to OD, die or get into any sort of trouble over it from one use. If you know that you have proper stuff and not something cut with asbestos or sawdust and rat shit then cocaine is safer than a lot of drugs. Of course you can OD if you don't know what you're doing, same with any drug really. I have a friend who got so blazed on weed that he had to be carried home. I have never seen anyone get in a state like that from coke. The only downside in the short-term, as far as I can tell, as long as you know what you are doing, is that it makes you a complete dickhead. Take a regular cunt, stick a line or two of bolivia's finest up his nose and watch him become a super-cunt.
just because you don't know anyone who has doesn't mean it hasn't happened. yeah, the chances are probably relatively small. however, you never know how something is going to effect your individual body. for example, you could have a pre-existing heart condition that you didn't even know about and *one* dose of cocaine could kill you.
as for herion, most people know the outcome, and from what i have read in this topic, most people know someone who has made the choice to inject this substance into their lives.
I know a few cokeheads. They are fucked up people, always chewing on straws, pens, ATM cards, twitching, rocking in their stance, taking 100000 miles a minute, paranoid beyone belief, and constantly grinding their teeth. One of them had a heart attack his first time. Not shitting you. He lived, and went back to it for god knows what reason. yes, it can easily kill you the first time.
Lenny Bias?
My ex just got back from rehab. He was doing 80's daily, robbing his family, making bets he didn't win just for the chance to make some money and buy his shit. Whether people know it or not, once can kill you, maybe not physically causing death, but it'll kill the person you were and make you into someone you never should have been.
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