Anyone ever take Heroin ONCE?

Heineken Helen

catefrances wrote:

you didnt. and i didnt say you did. just dont break my balls about what i say either.

remember writing this:
telling everyone who disagreed that they're wrong but not by explaining why they're wrong... I'm obviously not saying you have to tell at all but don't be so quick to shoot others and their opinions down.

i hardly think anything i posted was shooting anyone down. but by all means feel free to correct me if you think im mistaken.

a couple of the posts seemed that way... but apologies as I'm sure it probably wasn't intended the way it came across.

Anyway, I'm done with this nitpicking as it's quite an interesting conversation otherwise.

nowayimfaithfull

sponger wrote:

Yeah, whether or not all recreationally used drugs are addicting really depends on the person.

yes it does, but they can lead you there, and with h thats enough.

jeremy i wasnt assuming that i was telling this to a child, i was arguing with you and 1 other person who said they new about drugs and have had tons of expierence, again I listed 3 times what drugs I was pointing the finger at and you looked over them to prove your point.
and stop talking down to me, smart people shouldnt have to continuosly do this to make their points
1 was enough but every post.

Jeremy1012

nowayimfaithfull wrote:

yes it does, but they can lead you there, and with h thats enough.

jeremy i wasnt assuming that i was telling this to a child, i was arguing with you and 1 other person who said they new about drugs and have had tons of expierence, again I listed 3 times what drugs I was pointing the finger at and you looked over them to prove your point.
and stop talking down to me, smart people shouldnt have to continuosly do this to make their points
1 was enough but every post.

You used a 15 year old that you knew dying from it as an example. You brought children into the debate. Not me. As for the drugs you listed, they are NOT the only recreational drugs in the world and yet you said that all recreational drugs are addictive. Stop making generalisations about things, then backtracking when people don't take you seriously. It does NOT make for a good argument.

As for talking down to you, I wasn't aware I had. I do remember you calling me "kid" though. Funny that. Grow up, pay attention to the discussion next time instead of blindly assuming you know everything and maybe I'll have an intelligent discussion with you again sometime. As for now, I'm done. I'm broed with this. You evidently will not hear anything remotely against your opinions.

nowayimfaithfull

Jeremy1012 wrote:

You used a 15 year old that you knew dying from it as an example. You brought children into the debate. Not me. As for the drugs you listed, they are NOT the only recreational drugs in the world and yet you said that all recreational drugs are addictive. Stop making generalisations about things, then backtracking when people don't take you seriously. It does NOT make for a good argument.

As for talking down to you, I wasn't aware I had. I do remember you calling me "kid" though. Funny that. Grow up, pay attention to the discussion next time instead of blindly assuming you know everything and maybe I'll have an intelligent discussion with you again sometime. As for now, I'm done. I'm broed with this. You evidently will not hear anything remotely against your opinions.

you called me an asshole, you werent aware that you had

i get everything you are saying, and i braught the 15 year old up today, after 5 posts of arguing, and i called you a kid after you called me an asshole
an iddiot and other things i do not want to reread for the 3rd time.
and this is a measage pit usually based on music not drugs, so i am stating things from opinions and openly admitted my facts were exxagerated.

catefrances

Heineken Helen wrote:

a couple of the posts seemed that way... but apologies as I'm sure it probably wasn't intended the way it came across.

Anyway, I'm done with this nitpicking as it's quite an interesting conversation otherwise.

learn some comprehension skills and maybe you'll be able to stay with the conversation and not mistakenly second guess people's intentions.

LONGRD

catefrances wrote:

didnt think it was helen.

but tis still their decision though, right?

i know drugs can kill you. i've watched it happen. i also know that making out that drugs are absolute evil isn't the best plan of attack. or defense for that matter. ive seen some very nice people turn into absolute arseholes on drugs. people that i love who i dont much like when they are so out of it theyre abusive or hallucinating or aren't even sure who i am. and this is the mild side. so tis not as if im sitting here encouraging anyone to do drugs. i was giving my story. i certainly wasnt going to answer the original question with a resounding and hypocritical "good lord no only an absolute idiot would take heroin." sure drugs fuck up people's lives. but some people come through and some people don't. what i am saying is, it is up to the individual, that's all. take responsibility for your own life. is it worth it? well i guess that again comes down to the individual. we can all tell our stories of horror, but in the end tis not our decision.

Great post there cate!

I've taken drugs, though not heroin, but other hard addictive drugs. Was I an idiot for doing them? In my opinion, Hell No! It was a choice I made for myself in that particular stage of my life. Life is based on decisions you make, both good and bad. Those who are highly influenced by others are the ones that will get themselves in trouble.

Heineken Helen

catefrances wrote:

learn some comprehension skills and maybe you'll be able to stay with the conversation and not mistakenly second guess people's intentions.

I was staying with the conversation... but you and I BOTH took it away to some nitpicking. We both know that posts can be misinterpreted. I interpreted yours as telling people they were wrong . Other's accused your posts as being vague too so it's not just me obviously

Flannel Shirt

I think we all agree that its really not a good idea to try it once.

This drug kills people. Thats a fact. Its very addictive. Thats also a fact. It may not kill you today, maybe not tomorrow, maybe not the first time you use it, but it will get you if you start and dont stop, and ITS VERY HARD TO STOP. That is the concern when you hear of someone possibly wanting to try it. Maybe the person will be the exception and not the rule, and they will be able to try it only one time and never again. That said, a bit of good advice is to let someone know its not a wise choice. I know of no heroin addict that is over 50, and if they are, they probably look 95 and have had a terrible life.

catefrances

Heineken Helen wrote:

I was staying with the conversation... but you and I BOTH took it away to some nitpicking. We both know that posts can be misinterpreted. I interpreted yours as telling people they were wrong . Other's accused your posts as being vague too so it's not just me obviously

prljmngrl asked me why i was being elusive. and i responded to that.

i said something in opposition to some people. that does not equate with me saying they are wrong. nor does me pulling someone up on what they say as being an absolute, when it clearly is not. but i know this is an extremely emotional subject of some people and that colours their opinion. nothing wrong with that.

catefrances

Flannel Shirt wrote:

I think we all agree that its really not a good idea to try it once.

no we don't ALL agree.

Flannel Shirt

catefrances wrote:

no we don't ALL agree.

maybe I missed that.

who thinks its a good idea to try heroin once? I have a hard time believing that I just typed that sentence? Is there a dealer in this thread?

Heineken Helen

catefrances wrote:

no we don't ALL agree.

Ok then, I rest my case

Drew263

catefrances wrote:

no we don't ALL agree.

Pretty telling that anyone would believe trying heroin is ok.

No matter their life circumstances. We all go through hard times...it's life. Turning to a drug or alcohol to overcome or escape shows mental weakness. No matter how anyone tries to reason it. It's weakness.

Society is in the shitter.

prytocorduroy

Flannel Shirt wrote:

who thinks its a good idea to try heroin once?

I've had plenty of opportunities to try it, but I refuse. And the reason for that is because I have plenty of opportunity to get it, free for a while I'd bet. Too risky in my situation.

Now let's say, in this highly unlikely situation, that it's an isolated incident and the first time user has no way of obtaining some ever again.....go for it if that's your fancy. But preferably not with a needle (AIDS, internal bruising if you don't inject correctly, far greater chance of addiction, etc.).

Flannel Shirt

catefrances wrote:

no we don't ALL agree.

I am really dying for a response. You really belive its a good idea to try heroin? A good idea?

I cannot believe that. You think trying heroin is a good idea? Really?

I am repeating myself out of shock.

Maybe you are refering to someone ELSE in this thread who thinks trying heroin is a good idea, and if thats the case, I missed that and I am just as shocked by their statement that trying heroin is a good idea.

Flannel Shirt

danny72688 wrote:

I've had plenty of opportunities to try it, but I refuse. And the reason for that is because I have plenty of opportunity to get it, free for a while I'd bet. Too risky in my situation.

Now let's say, in this highly unlikely situation, that it's an isolated incident and the first time user has no way of obtaining some ever again.....go for it if that's your fancy. But preferably not with a needle (AIDS, internal bruising if you don't inject correctly, far greater chance of addiction, etc.).

I disagree 110% with the second paragraph. Its obviously only relevant if stranded on a desert island, but I still disagree. How would you never be able to get it again?

I am not sure I understand the first paragraph? You dont do it because you can?

Jeremy1012

am I the only one apart from Cate that thinks that it's up to the individual and who the hell are we to judge? I think heroin is a very dangerous thing to mess with and don't ever intend to because I have seen how it can effect some people but, never having used it, I can't possibly pass judgment on anyone who chooses to.

Heineken Helen

Jeremy1012 wrote:

am I the only one apart from Cate that thinks that it's up to the individual and who the hell are we to judge? I think heroin is a very dangerous thing to mess with and don't ever intend to because I have seen how it can effect some people but, never having used it, I can't possibly pass judgment on anyone who chooses to.

nobody's judging... we're not calling those who have tried it names or saying they'll burn in hell or anything. All that's being contested at the moment is a simple question: is it a good idea to try heroin once? I honestly find it impossible to believe that anyone can answer yes to that

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prytocorduroy

Flannel Shirt wrote:

I disagree 110% with the second paragraph. Its obviously only relevant if stranded on a desert island, but I still disagree. How would you never be able to get it again?

I am not sure I understand the first paragraph? You dont do it because you can?

That's why I said it was highly unlikely. It was more hypothetical than logical. The odds of you being able to get it again are good, and practically guaranteed if an addiction is developed in most cases I think.

I won't try it because it is readily available to me. If I try it once, all I gotta do is make a call if I want more. One time leads to two times leads to three times. Once in a while leads to once a week leads to once a day. If my use of pot is any determinite of how I'd treat herion, then it's a recipe for destruction that I'm well aware of it so I steer clear.