perhaps just being able to carry on an intelligent conversation, finding out you have a lot in common, setting up a date, and her dropping off the face of the earth after that. that left an impression alright..........
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friends don't let friends listen to good charlotte
i dont think you read his post carefully. he said it was the last time he had a meaningful conversation with her. calling a guy cute and sweet is BAD (esp the part about making some other girl a great husband). what a guy hears when you say that is "you're a nice guy, but i would rather die single than ever let you lay a finger on me." we don't want to be nice or cute. we want you to say things that imply we are so sexually irresistible to you that you will do dirty, nasty things with us you would never consider with another man.
let's just say they think with only one "thing" and that "thing" only only has one idea.....
Ok, just to prove you wrong... I'll withhold on any flattery regarding that "thing" or anything related.
The one that sticks out in my mind is just a friend I have. You'd have to know her to understand why I'd be so flattered by this, but I'll try to explain. I consider her to be an extremely talented artist, both as a painter and poet. Her work is complex and meaningful and heavy and deep...all those things that I would want my work to be if I were an artist. So because she's so expressive and reaches way way down within to create, she's also very critical of art in general. In fact, I wouldn't even consider her to be a fan of art at all. But the last time I saw her, we were just hanging out, and out of nowhere she recited a line from something I had written, slapped me on the arm and smiled, and said "you're a great writer...I love your stuff. I read it all the time" (referring to some stuff I'd posted on this other message board we both read).
I think it would ruin one or two reputations for them to honestly answer this question... but I know more than are admitting it actually HAVE an answer.
Good luck trying to get it out of them though Einat
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I think it would ruin one or two reputations for them to honestly answer this question... but I know more than are admitting it actually HAVE an answer.
Good luck trying to get it out of them though Einat
i can only remember one compliment i ever really received from a girl (in ireland, incidentally). she said i was the most genuine person she had ever meant. i have no idea how much of the glow it provided had to do with the fact that it was a post-coital conversation though.
i can only remember one compliment i ever really received from a girl (in ireland, incidentally). she said i was the most genuine person she had ever meant. i have no idea how much of the glow it provided had to do with the fact that it was a post-coital conversation though.
Now see though... there's a nice one!
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
I think it would ruin one or two reputations for them to honestly answer this question... but I know more than are admitting it actually HAVE an answer.
rubbish
best compliment i had was "hey normally i'd charge people $50 for what we just did, but you were so good i'm going to write you a cheque"
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
I think it would ruin one or two reputations for them to honestly answer this question... but I know more than are admitting it actually HAVE an answer.
Good luck trying to get it out of them though Einat
hey, don't tar us all with the same brush some of us are sensitive souls in touch with our emotions...
A girl I was very close to once said that she had never met a more sincere guy before. Apparently I was the first one who was interested in her as a person and not just an object to have sex with which is sad really. Good for my ego though Always good, being told you're special.
"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
except the compliment didnt matter. becos if she'd said it in the context of an 'i just wanna be friends' convo instead of after fucking me, i doubt id be flattered, pleased, or remember. id probly just resent her.
compliments from women only work when they include a promise of sex. otherwise it's like giving you a hug to stick a knife in your back.
compliments from women only work when they include a promise of sex. otherwise it's like giving you a hug to stick a knife in your back.
wtf?! are you serious?!
Been to this many PJ shows: Reading 2006 London 2007 Manchester & London 2009 Dublin, Belfast, London, Nijmegen & Berlin 2010 Manchester 1 & Manchester 2 2012...
... and I still think Drive-By Truckers are better.
for the most part. case in point... the one earlier about how a guy is so sweet and cute and would make a great husband... for someone else. that's fucking shitty. don't tell me that bullshit cos it rings false. if we were so cute and sweet we'd make a great husband for you, but we know you're just placating it and you don't mean it.
and if you ARE just a friend, i dont need or want an awkward compliment from you. if im in a bar with a guy friend and he says "dude, you have the bluest eyes ever" or "you know, your sense of humor really brightens my day" id have to kick his fucking ass. so why would i want/care to hear it from a girl? the compliment is unspoken between friends. we dont feel the need to validate the friendship. so dont bother, it means nothing to us.
in a romantic situation, no compliment is going to make a guy feel good unless it includes the sentiment that you want him as a sexual partner. otherwise it's going to do more damage than good. becos saying "you are the nicest guy ever, but i don't want to get physical with you" is like saying "you are the nicest guy ever, but you are so hideously unattractive there is no way i can possibly look past it to explore a real physical relationship with you."
What was the most flattering thing a woman (any woman) has ever said to you?
I'm trying to get an idea of what themes and subject matters stick in a guy's mind after a conversation with a woman... No need to reveal anything too personal, just your honest opinion!
Looking forward to your interesting answers...
Thanks!
I hate to say it but this seems so calculated...like you're looking for something to snag someone...
The best compliments are usually SINCERE ones about something you honestly feel!!
for the most part. case in point... the one earlier about how a guy is so sweet and cute and would make a great husband... for someone else. that's fucking shitty. don't tell me that bullshit cos it rings false. if we were so cute and sweet we'd make a great husband for you, but we know you're just placating it and you don't mean it.
and if you ARE just a friend, i dont need or want an awkward compliment from you. if im in a bar with a guy friend and he says "dude, you have the bluest eyes ever" or "you know, your sense of humor really brightens my day" id have to kick his fucking ass. so why would i want/care to hear it from a girl? the compliment is unspoken between friends. we dont feel the need to validate the friendship. so dont bother, it means nothing to us.
in a romantic situation, no compliment is going to make a guy feel good unless it includes the sentiment that you want him as a sexual partner. otherwise it's going to do more damage than good. becos saying "you are the nicest guy ever, but i don't want to get physical with you" is like saying "you are the nicest guy ever, but you are so hideously unattractive there is no way i can possibly look past it to explore a real physical relationship with you."
no, it's not like saying that.
saying something nice about someone is saying something nice about someone. period. there is no underlying hidden meaning, there is no other motive, it's not being mean. come off it.
you know I find it so hilarious that in the past you've called me "bitter." I cannot possibly imagine a person on this planet who is more bitter than you.
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for the most part. case in point... the one earlier about how a guy is so sweet and cute and would make a great husband... for someone else. that's fucking shitty. don't tell me that bullshit cos it rings false. if we were so cute and sweet we'd make a great husband for you, but we know you're just placating it and you don't mean it.
and if you ARE just a friend, i dont need or want an awkward compliment from you. if im in a bar with a guy friend and he says "dude, you have the bluest eyes ever" or "you know, your sense of humor really brightens my day" id have to kick his fucking ass. so why would i want/care to hear it from a girl? the compliment is unspoken between friends. we dont feel the need to validate the friendship. so dont bother, it means nothing to us.
in a romantic situation, no compliment is going to make a guy feel good unless it includes the sentiment that you want him as a sexual partner. otherwise it's going to do more damage than good. becos saying "you are the nicest guy ever, but i don't want to get physical with you" is like saying "you are the nicest guy ever, but you are so hideously unattractive there is no way i can possibly look past it to explore a real physical relationship with you."
I've said it before, and i'll say it again: You do NOT speak for all men. You certainly don't speak for me. Just because all you want from a woman is sex, don't project that onto the rest of the male gender. There's a lot more to life, and if you fail to see that, I feel sorry for you.
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I've said it before, and i'll say it again: You do NOT speak for all men. You certainly don't speak for me. Just because all you want from a woman is sex, don't project that onto the rest of the male gender. There's a lot more to life, and if you fail to see that, I feel sorry for you.
I actually think soulsinging is right about some of what he said but I agree with you that he does NOT speak for all men One of my friends, who has a boyfriend, randomly told me that I looked really nice the other day when she was a bit drunk and being much less inhibited and I was actually pretty pleased. It was clearly not some loaded comment because she has a boyfriend that she is happy with, she was just being nice and, seemingly, without an agenda. Having said that, it could be that she is unhappy with her boyfriend and was trying to seduce me, I don't know
But soulsinging, your cynicism, however well-founded, makes me despair for the world. Don't do that to me please
by the way, you know your sense of humour really brightens up my day?
"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
for the most part. case in point... the one earlier about how a guy is so sweet and cute and would make a great husband... for someone else. that's fucking shitty. don't tell me that bullshit cos it rings false. if we were so cute and sweet we'd make a great husband for you, but we know you're just placating it and you don't mean it.
and if you ARE just a friend, i dont need or want an awkward compliment from you. if im in a bar with a guy friend and he says "dude, you have the bluest eyes ever" or "you know, your sense of humor really brightens my day" id have to kick his fucking ass. so why would i want/care to hear it from a girl? the compliment is unspoken between friends. we dont feel the need to validate the friendship. so dont bother, it means nothing to us.
in a romantic situation, no compliment is going to make a guy feel good unless it includes the sentiment that you want him as a sexual partner. otherwise it's going to do more damage than good. becos saying "you are the nicest guy ever, but i don't want to get physical with you" is like saying "you are the nicest guy ever, but you are so hideously unattractive there is no way i can possibly look past it to explore a real physical relationship with you."
Can I just say, you certainly do not speak for me, sweetness.
I tell my boyfriend all the time that he's cute and sweet because... urm... HE IS :rolleyes: Amazingly enough, it doesn't make him any less attractive or sexually appealing to me. He's absolutely gorgeous so why shouldn't I tell him so? I have in the past, dated men like you, and I can tell you now that I've never had so little confidence or felt so uncomfortable expressing my feelings. I wish any woman luck with you. Maybe if you listened to women and didn't treat them like an object every once in a while you might be a bit more positive and less bitter sounding.
Also, I tell my friends all the time how great they are, male or female. What does it take? A compliment here, a hug there... A few words and the smallest actions can make someone feel appreciated and loved more than anything. I can't help thinking maybe you're socially inept? Maybe you should look into that, could be a problem for the future...
I for one, am completely comfortable with my emotions and feelings for others, I don't have problem differenciating or expressing them. I don't feel you are and I also feel very sorry for you but ah well... it's your life.... good luck with that.
Been to this many PJ shows: Reading 2006 London 2007 Manchester & London 2009 Dublin, Belfast, London, Nijmegen & Berlin 2010 Manchester 1 & Manchester 2 2012...
... and I still think Drive-By Truckers are better.
It was clearly not some loaded comment because she has a boyfriend that she is happy with, she was just being nice and, seemingly, without an agenda. Having said that, it could be that she is unhappy with her boyfriend and was trying to seduce me, I don't know
You boys read way way way too far into these things. Your friend meant you looked nice the other day. She is not trying to seduce you.
I tell my boyfriend all the time that he's cute and sweet because... urm... HE IS :rolleyes: Amazingly enough, it doesn't make him any less attractive or sexually appealing to me. He's absolutely gorgeous so why shouldn't I tell him so? I have in the past, dated men like you, and I can tell you now that I've never had so little confidence or felt so uncomfortable expressing my feelings. I wish any woman luck with you. Maybe if you listened to women and didn't treat them like an object every once in a while you might be a bit more positive and less bitter sounding.
EXACTLY sian. I told my boyfriend he was cute everyday. I called him sweetness as a pet name. and yes, I let him have sex with me, pretty much everyday...
I also agree that when you're dating someone as screwed up, twisted, and bitter...it makes for a HORRIBLE time. always making sure you say/don't say the right things. worried they're analysing you.
I let him have sex with me, pretty much everyday...
sorry GTD, that really made me laugh
Been to this many PJ shows: Reading 2006 London 2007 Manchester & London 2009 Dublin, Belfast, London, Nijmegen & Berlin 2010 Manchester 1 & Manchester 2 2012...
... and I still think Drive-By Truckers are better.
Can I just say, you certainly do not speak for me, sweetness.
I tell my boyfriend all the time that he's cute and sweet because... urm... HE IS :rolleyes: Amazingly enough, it doesn't make him any less attractive or sexually appealing to me. He's absolutely gorgeous so why shouldn't I tell him so? I have in the past, dated men like you, and I can tell you now that I've never had so little confidence or felt so uncomfortable expressing my feelings. I wish any woman luck with you. Maybe if you listened to women and didn't treat them like an object every once in a while you might be a bit more positive and less bitter sounding.
Also, I tell my friends all the time how great they are, male or female. What does it take? A compliment here, a hug there... A few words and the smallest actions can make someone feel appreciated and loved more than anything. I can't help thinking maybe you're socially inept? Maybe you should look into that, could be a problem for the future...
I for one, am completely comfortable with my emotions and feelings for others, I don't have problem differenciating or expressing them. I don't feel you are and I also feel very sorry for you but ah well... it's your life.... good luck with that.
Beautiful post
And I love you two
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By the way, I agree with what you said. She probably just thought he looked nice.
some people (not jeremy1012 I might add, I also believe he was joking) just can't handle compliments though, they read sex into everything. These people also normally believe that men and women can't be friends either cuz it'd be seen as there being 'something' in it.... jeez... grow up! :rolleyes:
Been to this many PJ shows: Reading 2006 London 2007 Manchester & London 2009 Dublin, Belfast, London, Nijmegen & Berlin 2010 Manchester 1 & Manchester 2 2012...
... and I still think Drive-By Truckers are better.
Been to this many PJ shows: Reading 2006 London 2007 Manchester & London 2009 Dublin, Belfast, London, Nijmegen & Berlin 2010 Manchester 1 & Manchester 2 2012...
... and I still think Drive-By Truckers are better.
some people (not jeremy1012 I might add, I also believe he was joking) just can't handle compliments though, they read sex into everything. These people also normally believe that men and women can't be friends either cuz it'd be seen as there being 'something' in it.... jeez... grow up! :rolleyes:
Grow up.... exactly!
I feel sorry for people like that :( it's kinda sad.
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
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Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
One compliment I gave was that I thought the guy had wicked taste in music.
Silly stuff like that is important to me...good taste in music=certain level of appreciation and emotion.
But it's only good taste to you...music being subjective and all that.
And Sian...how can men and women be just friends, when the man is always just thinking up a plan of how to sleep with the woman?! Oh wait...that's because he isn't.
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HAHAHA! You two crack me up me so consintently up!
I could just pat you on the head and pinch your cheek.
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The man speaks the truth.
The one that sticks out in my mind is just a friend I have. You'd have to know her to understand why I'd be so flattered by this, but I'll try to explain. I consider her to be an extremely talented artist, both as a painter and poet. Her work is complex and meaningful and heavy and deep...all those things that I would want my work to be if I were an artist. So because she's so expressive and reaches way way down within to create, she's also very critical of art in general. In fact, I wouldn't even consider her to be a fan of art at all. But the last time I saw her, we were just hanging out, and out of nowhere she recited a line from something I had written, slapped me on the arm and smiled, and said "you're a great writer...I love your stuff. I read it all the time" (referring to some stuff I'd posted on this other message board we both read).
I think it would ruin one or two reputations for them to honestly answer this question... but I know more than are admitting it actually HAVE an answer.
Good luck trying to get it out of them though Einat
Verona??? it's all surmountable
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Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
i can only remember one compliment i ever really received from a girl (in ireland, incidentally). she said i was the most genuine person she had ever meant. i have no idea how much of the glow it provided had to do with the fact that it was a post-coital conversation though.
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
rubbish
best compliment i had was "hey normally i'd charge people $50 for what we just did, but you were so good i'm going to write you a cheque"
A girl I was very close to once said that she had never met a more sincere guy before. Apparently I was the first one who was interested in her as a person and not just an object to have sex with
except the compliment didnt matter. becos if she'd said it in the context of an 'i just wanna be friends' convo instead of after fucking me, i doubt id be flattered, pleased, or remember. id probly just resent her.
compliments from women only work when they include a promise of sex. otherwise it's like giving you a hug to stick a knife in your back.
wtf?! are you serious?!
... and I still think Drive-By Truckers are better.
for the most part. case in point... the one earlier about how a guy is so sweet and cute and would make a great husband... for someone else. that's fucking shitty. don't tell me that bullshit cos it rings false. if we were so cute and sweet we'd make a great husband for you, but we know you're just placating it and you don't mean it.
and if you ARE just a friend, i dont need or want an awkward compliment from you. if im in a bar with a guy friend and he says "dude, you have the bluest eyes ever" or "you know, your sense of humor really brightens my day" id have to kick his fucking ass. so why would i want/care to hear it from a girl? the compliment is unspoken between friends. we dont feel the need to validate the friendship. so dont bother, it means nothing to us.
in a romantic situation, no compliment is going to make a guy feel good unless it includes the sentiment that you want him as a sexual partner. otherwise it's going to do more damage than good. becos saying "you are the nicest guy ever, but i don't want to get physical with you" is like saying "you are the nicest guy ever, but you are so hideously unattractive there is no way i can possibly look past it to explore a real physical relationship with you."
I hate to say it but this seems so calculated...like you're looking for something to snag someone...
The best compliments are usually SINCERE ones about something you honestly feel!!
no, it's not like saying that.
saying something nice about someone is saying something nice about someone. period. there is no underlying hidden meaning, there is no other motive, it's not being mean. come off it.
you know I find it so hilarious that in the past you've called me "bitter." I cannot possibly imagine a person on this planet who is more bitter than you.
Sian meet soulsinging
Verona??? it's all surmountable
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Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
I've said it before, and i'll say it again: You do NOT speak for all men. You certainly don't speak for me. Just because all you want from a woman is sex, don't project that onto the rest of the male gender. There's a lot more to life, and if you fail to see that, I feel sorry for you.
I don't wanna think, I wanna feel
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But soulsinging, your cynicism, however well-founded, makes me despair for the world. Don't do that to me please
by the way, you know your sense of humour really brightens up my day?
Can I just say, you certainly do not speak for me, sweetness.
I tell my boyfriend all the time that he's cute and sweet because... urm... HE IS :rolleyes: Amazingly enough, it doesn't make him any less attractive or sexually appealing to me. He's absolutely gorgeous so why shouldn't I tell him so? I have in the past, dated men like you, and I can tell you now that I've never had so little confidence or felt so uncomfortable expressing my feelings. I wish any woman luck with you. Maybe if you listened to women and didn't treat them like an object every once in a while you might be a bit more positive and less bitter sounding.
Also, I tell my friends all the time how great they are, male or female. What does it take? A compliment here, a hug there... A few words and the smallest actions can make someone feel appreciated and loved more than anything. I can't help thinking maybe you're socially inept? Maybe you should look into that, could be a problem for the future...
I for one, am completely comfortable with my emotions and feelings for others, I don't have problem differenciating or expressing them. I don't feel you are and I also feel very sorry for you but ah well... it's your life.... good luck with that.
... and I still think Drive-By Truckers are better.
You boys read way way way too far into these things. Your friend meant you looked nice the other day. She is not trying to seduce you.
I was thinking that...reading into things is a very female trait.
Are men turning into women?!
Da da daaaaaaa
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EXACTLY sian. I told my boyfriend he was cute everyday. I called him sweetness as a pet name. and yes, I let him have sex with me, pretty much everyday...
I also agree that when you're dating someone as screwed up, twisted, and bitter...it makes for a HORRIBLE time. always making sure you say/don't say the right things. worried they're analysing you.
By the way, I agree with what you said. She probably just thought he looked nice.
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sorry GTD, that really made me laugh
... and I still think Drive-By Truckers are better.
And I love you two
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Silly stuff like that is important to me...good taste in music=certain level of appreciation and emotion.
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2009 ░▒▓ Manchester, London
2010 ░▒▓ Hyde Park
*§* Music is all the juice i'll need *§*
some people (not jeremy1012 I might add, I also believe he was joking) just can't handle compliments though, they read sex into everything. These people also normally believe that men and women can't be friends either cuz it'd be seen as there being 'something' in it.... jeez... grow up! :rolleyes:
... and I still think Drive-By Truckers are better.
why thank you, one does try...
... and I still think Drive-By Truckers are better.
I feel sorry for people like that :( it's kinda sad.
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
But it's only good taste to you...music being subjective and all that.
And Sian...how can men and women be just friends, when the man is always just thinking up a plan of how to sleep with the woman?!
I don't wanna think, I wanna feel
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