Boston Red Sox

Cliffy6745

Adrian Beltre close to terms with Boston. Guess that takes them out of the running for Adrian Gonzalez. As a Yankees fan, thank you very much for the offseason moves Theo.

Boston rotation may have a slight edge on the Yanks but the lineups don't even compare!

Edit: By the way, the thought of Boston getting A-Gon scared the hell out of me.

Cliffy6745

6:13pm: Buster Onley tweets some details of the Beltre deal: "BOS offer to Beltre is probably in the range of $10 mill. to $10.5 mill. annually, and the offer is expected to include an opt-out clause."

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I thought Theo was the savior?!!?

Jimed? Your thoughts if this is true?

Cliffy6745

6:28pm: And here comes Peter Gammons down the stretch with terms, tweeting: "Beltre 1 yr. Deal for $9m with player option for $5m. Physical coming."


At least it's only 1 year for you guys but what the fuck? $9 mil for a .270 career hitter with a .325 career OBP and an OPS+ of 105. Not a good move.

Oh and add at least $9 mil of Lowells contract to that as well so you are looking at $18+ mil for Adrian Beltre!

jimed14

Cliffy6745 wrote:

6:28pm: And here comes Peter Gammons down the stretch with terms, tweeting: "Beltre 1 yr. Deal for $9m with player option for $5m. Physical coming."


At least it's only 1 year for you guys but what the fuck? $9 mil for a .270 career hitter with a .325 career OBP and an OPS+ of 105. Not a good move.

Oh and add at least $9 mil of Lowells contract to that as well so you are looking at $18+ mil for Adrian Beltre!

It's a one year stop gap until (I'm praying) they get Adrian Gonzalez and can move Youkilis back to 3rd.

He's a good defensive 3B (gold gloves in 07 and 08). And he's actually only 30.

Again, stop gap measure with the pickins on the market very slim. One year deal means he's incentivized. Maybe the Green Monster will rejuvinate his bat.

Not horrified by this, not excited either.

Cliffy6745

jimed14 wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

6:28pm: And here comes Peter Gammons down the stretch with terms, tweeting: "Beltre 1 yr. Deal for $9m with player option for $5m. Physical coming."


At least it's only 1 year for you guys but what the fuck? $9 mil for a .270 career hitter with a .325 career OBP and an OPS+ of 105. Not a good move.

Oh and add at least $9 mil of Lowells contract to that as well so you are looking at $18+ mil for Adrian Beltre!

It's a one year stop gap until (I'm praying) they get Adrian Gonzalez and can move Youkilis back to 3rd.

He's a good defensive 3B (gold gloves in 07 and 08). And he's actually only 30.

Again, stop gap measure with the pickins on the market very slim. One year deal means he's incentivized. Maybe the Green Monster will rejuvinate his bat.

Not horrified by this, not excited either.

Yeah, not as bad as when Onley was saying $10 mil plus a year. Theo must know they are not getting A-Gon this season. Definitely a stop gap but he is not going to put up much better offensive numbers than Lowell, definitely improved defense but they are going to have to play a lot of his contract as well.

Overall, this does not make Boston better next season in my opinion

jimed14

You know Lowell isn't going anywhere, right?

The deal with Texas is off due to Lowell's thumb issues. Not sure if they will redo the deal once he's healed up in a month or so.

No one is getting Gonzalez before the season.

Cliffy6745

jimed14 wrote:

You know Lowell isn't going anywhere, right?

The deal with Texas is off due to Lowell's thumb issues. Not sure if they will redo the deal once he's healed up in a month or so.

No one is getting Gonzalez before the season.

Yeah, I know he is not going anywhere right now but I really don't think they are going to have Kotchman, Youklis, Beltre and Lowell on the same team. A $12 mil pinch hitter is pretty insane if that is what he ends up if they cant trade him.

jimed14

It's a little confusing, indeed.

jervin007

Not a bad signing. I just wouldn't have wanted him for 4-5 years. He will put up solid numbers and be great defensively. Sox will have one of the best defenses in baseball this year.

xavier mcdaniel

Saw a rumor that the Mets were looking at a Luis Castillo for Mike Lowell swap. The deal doesn't really make much sense for either team though you could place Lowell at first and infrequently at third to give David Wright a day off. I can't see what the Red Sox would do with Castillo since they have Pedroia. The only thing that makes sense is that the money matches up on both players.

jimed14

xavier mcdaniel wrote:

Saw a rumor that the Mets were looking at a Luis Castillo for Mike Lowell swap. The deal doesn't really make much sense for either team though you could place Lowell at first and infrequently at third to give David Wright a day off. I can't see what the Red Sox would do with Castillo since they have Pedroia. The only thing that makes sense is that the money matches up on both players.

If Mike Lowell could play first, the Sox would have played him there and moved Youkilis to third last year.

Lowell's played only 4 or 5 games at first in his career.

xavier mcdaniel

jimed14 wrote:

xavier mcdaniel wrote:

Saw a rumor that the Mets were looking at a Luis Castillo for Mike Lowell swap. The deal doesn't really make much sense for either team though you could place Lowell at first and infrequently at third to give David Wright a day off. I can't see what the Red Sox would do with Castillo since they have Pedroia. The only thing that makes sense is that the money matches up on both players.

If Mike Lowell could play first, the Sox would have played him there and moved Youkilis to third last year.

Lowell's played only 4 or 5 games at first in his career.

I figured as much, that's why it made little to no sense other than the matching salaries.

Wobbie

OK jimed, you're an expert on both teams....

How does Adrian Beltre rate $10M for .265, 8 HR and 44 RBI while Juan Uribe gets $3.25M for .289, 16 and 55? :wtf:

both are 30 years old. I'll grant you, Beltre is the better glove. Still....

jimed14

imalive wrote:

OK jimed, you're an expert on both teams....

How does Adrian Beltre rate $10M for .265, 8 HR and 44 RBI while Juan Uribe gets $3.25M for .289, 16 and 55? :wtf:

both are 30 years old. I'll grant you, Beltre is the better glove. Still....

Let me start by saying I'm not Theo Epstein ... so, not sure why I got annointed the defender of a move I'm not super excited about ... but, I'll give it a whirl.

First, Juan Uribe is not a third baseman. He may have played some games at third, but, he's not a third baseman.

Your HR and RBI numbers are a bit skewed as Beltre played hurt last year.

Also, Uribe's .289 is probably a bit inflated as, he didn't hit above .250 for the 4 years previous to that.

Hurt year aside, Beltre's OBP is consistantly 25 - 35 points higher than Uribe.

I think Beltre has more power upside moving from Seattle to Boston.

And yeah, the defense.

Neither player is great.

Poncier

Plus lets not forget Beltre's .179 career Avg. at Fenway.
Theo loves his "run prevention" lineup. Planning on winning games 1-0 only.

Cliffy6745

jimed14 wrote:

imalive wrote:

OK jimed, you're an expert on both teams....

How does Adrian Beltre rate $10M for .265, 8 HR and 44 RBI while Juan Uribe gets $3.25M for .289, 16 and 55? :wtf:

both are 30 years old. I'll grant you, Beltre is the better glove. Still....

Let me start by saying I'm not Theo Epstein ... so, not sure why I got annointed the defender of a move I'm not super excited about ... but, I'll give it a whirl.

First, Juan Uribe is not a third baseman. He may have played some games at third, but, he's not a third baseman.

Your HR and RBI numbers are a bit skewed as Beltre played hurt last year.

Also, Uribe's .289 is probably a bit inflated as, he didn't hit above .250 for the 4 years previous to that.

Hurt year aside, Beltre's OBP is consistantly 25 - 35 points higher than Uribe.

I think Beltre has more power upside moving from Seattle to Boston.

And yeah, the defense.

Neither player is great.

The scary thing about Beltre is that his slugging precentage has declined each of the last 3 years. Fangraphs thinks Beltre is worth $10 mil or more, i don't necesssarily agree but I rely on fangraphs for a lot of stats.

Kind of crazy Beltre's OBP is 25-35 points higher than Uribe since Beltre is far from an OBP guy. I think .325 career. Not all that great.

I did see that Ellsbury is being moved to LF for Cameron in CF. Definitely the right move. While Ellsbury can be flashy he is far from a solid CF at this point in his career. Red Sox are definitely going to have a solid defense and good rotation, I just don't see that offense getting them anywhere.

Cliffy6745

Oh, and I hope Henry does not try and cry poor this offseason. What a jackass

How about the MT curse?

jimed14

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Oh, and I hope Henry does not try and cry poor this offseason. What a jackass

How about the MT curse?

MT curse? Manny Trade?

Cliffy6745

jimed14 wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Oh, and I hope Henry does not try and cry poor this offseason. What a jackass

How about the MT curse?

MT curse? Manny Trade?

Mark Teixiera.

After Boston went up 8-0 (I believe) he did this. Referring to that Boston thought they were close to a deal with Tex and didn't get him.

http://twitter.com/John_W_Henry/status/2126014978

Drop The Leash 10

no offense?

ellsbury, pedroia, youk, martinez, papi, drew?