Congrats to Angels fans. it must feel good to get the better of the Sox for once.
This team just didn't have "it" for whatever reason and they were beaten by a better team. My heart wants Papelbon gone because he flirted with disaster all season until finally ending the season. my head knows that i can trust Theo to do what's needed.
I bemoaned Papaelbon's struggles all year long in this thread, but, let's remember, he's still dirt cheap.
I'm waiting for Sox fans to turn on him and try and run him out of town and make Bard the closer.
But, c'mon, let's not forget, the Sox offense didn't do shit in the first two games. That seems more of a concern.
Papelbon aint that cheap. he was 6.25 Million this year and I read on SOSH that he's expected to get 10 million next year.
I was more pissed and ready to turn on him because he had been doing this all year. Plus the cowboy act gets old. I felt like he screwed up this whole year by ditching the splitter and trying a new arm slot to make free agency more rewarding due to health. (Yes he should care about his health, on the other hand Theo would have paid him a high salary for a long term deal than included a free agent year buyout)
Masterson had nothing to do with it. They don't get to the postseason without VMart.
In 2009, he made 6.25M .. yes ... but look at some of the other closers, just saying for 2009, he was a bargain.
Papelbon aint that cheap. he was 6.25 Million this year and I read on SOSH that he's expected to get 10 million next year.
I was more pissed and ready to turn on him because he had been doing this all year. Plus the cowboy act gets old. I felt like he screwed up this whole year by ditching the splitter and trying a new arm slot to make free agency more rewarding due to health. (Yes he should care about his health, on the other hand Theo would have paid him a high salary for a long term deal than included a free agent year buyout)
Masterson had nothing to do with it. They don't get to the postseason without VMart.
In 2009, he made 6.25M .. yes ... but look at some of the other closers, just saying for 2009, he was a bargain.
anyway ... papelbon wasn't the issue ... nor was it the loss of Masterson, who, we got V-Mart in return for, and have him thorugh next year @ $7M.
Is the issue the elephant in the room...a very big girl drug using elephant that was a hitting savant? Hopefully it'll be the Dodgers vs. the Yankees in the WS this year so it can be referred to as the Steroid Series starring A-Rod and Manny.
No I was actually referring to Manny, Ortiz was just fine for his age this year. Jason Bay was good, but didn't strike fear into the hearts of pitchers the way Manny did.
Manny wasn't the reason teh Sox couldn't hit. He went missing in the playoffs before as well. 2005 The last time we were swept. In fact he was good OBP but rarely as fearsome as Ortiz in the playoffs. Last year without Manny they go 7 games deep in the ALCS.
This team needs better defense, another bat, and a stable #5 starter. Things aren't that bad. it just sucks for it to be over.
Papelbon aint that cheap. he was 6.25 Million this year and I read on SOSH that he's expected to get 10 million next year.
I was more pissed and ready to turn on him because he had been doing this all year. Plus the cowboy act gets old. I felt like he screwed up this whole year by ditching the splitter and trying a new arm slot to make free agency more rewarding due to health. (Yes he should care about his health, on the other hand Theo would have paid him a high salary for a long term deal than included a free agent year buyout)
Masterson had nothing to do with it. They don't get to the postseason without VMart.
Masterson was a really good middle reliever... Tito had said it a number of times...
I guess it's just since he's been gone you haven't filled his shoes at the plate. But I think your assessments are fair looking forward.
So true, but you really can't fill his shoes. Unless we steal Mauer or Pujols.
Manny had become a cancer and would not have been doing what he's doing had he stayed in Boston. And can you imagine the circus if Manny got the 50 game suspension while still in Boston?
Over that time period Bay has outperformed Manny (again, 50 game suspension) ... the deal had to be made.
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oh i agree with you on getting rid of manny, and Bay may have outperformed him, but if all things were even Manny is better than Bay. Not having his bat hurt for sure.
It's just a sad ending that had such a promising start in the first half of the season, and yes we do need a pitcher and a batter that will strike fear with other teams, another Pedro and Manny....
I guess it's just since he's been gone you haven't filled his shoes at the plate. But I think your assessments are fair looking forward.
So true, but you really can't fill his shoes. Unless we steal Mauer or Pujols.
If Pujols could be stolen than would be the greatest steal ever. Pujols can hit to the opposite field right? The Manny trade had to be made, I've met Manny in Spring Training 2007 and he IS the nicest guy. It's just that his time in Boston had run it's course. We need a few more power hitters and another pitcher any likely choices out there?
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I guess it's just since he's been gone you haven't filled his shoes at the plate. But I think your assessments are fair looking forward.
So true, but you really can't fill his shoes. Unless we steal Mauer or Pujols.
If Pujols could be stolen than would be the greatest steal ever. Pujols can hit to the opposite field right? The Manny trade had to be made, I've met Manny in Spring Training 2007 and he IS the nicest guy. It's just that his time in Boston had run it's course. We need a few more power hitters and another pitcher any likely choices out there?
Peace
Why would Pujols need to hit to opposite field when he could just crush them over the Monster? BTW, yes, he can hit to opposite field and I'd LOVE to see him in a Sox uniform but I don't ever see the Cards letting him get away.
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Why would Pujols need to hit to opposite field when he could just crush them over the Monster? BTW, yes, he can hit to opposite field and I'd LOVE to see him in a Sox uniform but I don't ever see the Cards letting him get away.
Let's just end any and all discussions about Pujols. It seems silly to even discuss.
As for the Monster, I'm convinced it takes away more line drive home runs than it gives cheapy home runs.
Granted, it's nice to have the wall there to bounce doubles off all day.
Be intersting to see if they make an offer to Bay, I assume they will.
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I think they'll definitely make an offer to Bay but I'm not sure if he's worth the money he'll be asking for. His swing has a lot of flaws in it. Sure he hit 36 homers, a .921 OPS and drove in 119 runs but he also set a career mark with 162 Ks and had the second lowest average of his career at .267. I just don't know if there's going to be a better LF option out there unless we can get Holliday who I would gladly welcome.
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Yeah when I mentioned Pujols it was an allusion to the fact that there are no big boppers out there available to replace Manny. They tried for Tex but that didn't happen.
I would take Holliday too, but the Sox are going to be in trouble scoring wise next year unless they discover another "Papi" or people heal up real quick. I love Bay, but he isn't worth the money.
Unless you consider the fact that there is no one else available and that makes him WORTH the money.
So true, but you really can't fill his shoes. Unless we steal Mauer or Pujols.
If Pujols could be stolen than would be the greatest steal ever. Pujols can hit to the opposite field right? The Manny trade had to be made, I've met Manny in Spring Training 2007 and he IS the nicest guy. It's just that his time in Boston had run it's course. We need a few more power hitters and another pitcher any likely choices out there?
Peace
Why would Pujols need to hit to opposite field when he could just crush them over the Monster? BTW, yes, he can hit to opposite field and I'd LOVE to see him in a Sox uniform but I don't ever see the Cards letting him get away.
It was early this morning when i posted this on my way out to work and afterwards I had no time to reply. I realized Puhols could hit a ball through the Green Monster and no need to have to hit the other way even though I know he can. Anyway all wishful thinking after such a dissappointing end to the season.
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*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
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*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Please just stay away from Matt Holladay, he was horrible in the AL for Oakland. He's a product of the NL or at least having the best player in baseball today hitting behind him.
Picked up the option on V-Mart.
Had Tek pick up his option.
Resigned Wakes
Made an offer to Jason Bay (still pending)
and traded for Jeremy Hermida ... untapped potential?
The only thing I've seen that's a tad out there thus far ... rumors that the Phils are looking at the possibility of acquiring Mike Lowell.
"You're one of the few Red Sox fans I don't mind." - Newch91
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
Picked up the option on V-Mart.
Had Tek pick up his option.
Resigned Wakes
Made an offer to Jason Bay (still pending)
and traded for Jeremy Hermida ... untapped potential?
The only thing I've seen that's a tad out there thus far ... rumors that the Phils are looking at the possibility of acquiring Mike Lowell.
That sucks losing Lowell. I wish we could have the same kind of options we had back in "2004"... we practically had two teams within one...
Picked up the option on V-Mart.
Had Tek pick up his option.
Resigned Wakes
Made an offer to Jason Bay (still pending)
and traded for Jeremy Hermida ... untapped potential?
The only thing I've seen that's a tad out there thus far ... rumors that the Phils are looking at the possibility of acquiring Mike Lowell.
That sucks losing Lowell. I wish we could have the same kind of options we had back in "2004"... we practically had two teams within one...
Well, the Lowell thing is a rumor ... and I think if that happened, the Sox would make a serious push to get Adrian Gonzalez from the Padres and move Youk back to 3rd ... which is a huge upgrade for the team. huge.
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"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
If the Phils want a DH in the NL they should trade for him. I love Lowell, but I doubt he'll ever get back to being a mobile 3rd baseman. He is just fighting to gain back any range next year. If the Sox get anything of value for Lowell it opens up possibilities. They can search for a big bat for 3B, LF, or a 1b then. They will need at least 1. Probably 2.
I think Theo is going to get creative this year, but aside from Gonzalez I am not sure where the creativity will come from.
Im just glad Vtek is on for one more year. It sucks that VMart is catcher but BUT what Vmart brings to this team is hitting. Vtek is a great guy and knows his shit. With his old ago in baseball terms he's not a big hitter obviously but still one of my favorite players.
The resigning of Wakefield however has me pissed. He's good but not that good. Beckett? cmon. . . he's blown more games than Dice K when. . when Dice K wasn't being a pussy
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In 2009, he made 6.25M .. yes ... but look at some of the other closers, just saying for 2009, he was a bargain.
nathan 11.25
lidge 12
rivera 15
wood 10
k-rod 9.17
anyway ... papelbon wasn't the issue ... nor was it the loss of Masterson, who, we got V-Mart in return for, and have him thorugh next year @ $7M.
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
and form the end May on, he was pretty good. People seem to want to remember April and think he was awful for the entire season, which, is wrong.
He's getting older, no doubt .. but, it was the whole team failed to score in those first two games in Anaheim, not just ortiz.
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
This team needs better defense, another bat, and a stable #5 starter. Things aren't that bad. it just sucks for it to be over.
Wish you were here...
♥~RIP Dad
Manny had become a cancer and would not have been doing what he's doing had he stayed in Boston. And can you imagine the circus if Manny got the 50 game suspension while still in Boston?
Over that time period Bay has outperformed Manny (again, 50 game suspension) ... the deal had to be made.
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
Wish you were here...
♥~RIP Dad
If Pujols could be stolen than would be the greatest steal ever. Pujols can hit to the opposite field right? The Manny trade had to be made, I've met Manny in Spring Training 2007 and he IS the nicest guy. It's just that his time in Boston had run it's course. We need a few more power hitters and another pitcher any likely choices out there?
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
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Let's just end any and all discussions about Pujols. It seems silly to even discuss.
As for the Monster, I'm convinced it takes away more line drive home runs than it gives cheapy home runs.
Granted, it's nice to have the wall there to bounce doubles off all day.
Be intersting to see if they make an offer to Bay, I assume they will.
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
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I would take Holliday too, but the Sox are going to be in trouble scoring wise next year unless they discover another "Papi" or people heal up real quick. I love Bay, but he isn't worth the money.
Unless you consider the fact that there is no one else available and that makes him WORTH the money.
It was early this morning when i posted this on my way out to work and afterwards I had no time to reply. I realized Puhols could hit a ball through the Green Monster and no need to have to hit the other way even though I know he can. Anyway all wishful thinking after such a dissappointing end to the season.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
I'm Ok with this.
A real classy guy.
Wish you were here...
♥~RIP Dad
Picked up the option on V-Mart.
Had Tek pick up his option.
Resigned Wakes
Made an offer to Jason Bay (still pending)
and traded for Jeremy Hermida ... untapped potential?
The only thing I've seen that's a tad out there thus far ... rumors that the Phils are looking at the possibility of acquiring Mike Lowell.
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
Wish you were here...
♥~RIP Dad
Well, the Lowell thing is a rumor ... and I think if that happened, the Sox would make a serious push to get Adrian Gonzalez from the Padres and move Youk back to 3rd ... which is a huge upgrade for the team. huge.
"I don't believe in damn curses. Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass." --- Pedro Martinez
I think Theo is going to get creative this year, but aside from Gonzalez I am not sure where the creativity will come from.
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The resigning of Wakefield however has me pissed. He's good but not that good. Beckett? cmon. . . he's blown more games than Dice K when. . when Dice K wasn't being a pussy
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd ... p&c_id=mlb
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Wish you were here...
♥~RIP Dad