why do men have to be so feckin obvious?

dunkman

GreenTeaDisease wrote:

contrary to what men seem to think, we don't do everything to benefit men. we do things for ourselves. flattering does not mean we want to be ogled. it means it makes us feel more comfortable- if you buy something that makes you look 20X times larger than you actually are, or shorter or rounder or whatever, you're going to feel self-conscious. you want to look presentable, just like a man. "falttering" usually means it gives you an overall look that minimizes things you don't like about yourself and maximizes the things you do. for example, v-necks make me look taller and thinner, as do pointy shoes, and that makes me feel more put-together. it's not a sexual thing. you're not going to spend money on clothing that makes you look BAD. I'm sorry, but I've never bought ANY item of clothing thinking "ooo, I'll give the guys at the office a little peak today!" that's not the point of how we dress.

as I said, there ARE women, who most likely have big self-esteem issues, who do do this.

but you do dress good to look good... and looking good to both men and women... it may be subconscious but women and men preen themselves to look good and feel good in themselves, but ALSO to appeal to the opposite sex... we're just smart mammals at the end of the day.. and all mammals engage in 'looking good' to get some nookie... peacocks open their feathers, pigeons do that weird dancing shit, lions roar and fight smaller lions to look big.... women wear low cut tops.. one day female lions will do the same

gabers

I think also it's a group mentality thing. Whenever a group of guys are standing around it is physically impossible for us not to ogle at pretty girls. Seriously, an experiment should be conducted. Even the gay guys ogle. Some of us are just able to turn away a little quicker than others.

GreenTeaDisease

dunkman wrote:

but you do dress good to look good... and looking good to both men and women... it may be subconscious but women and men preen themselves to look good and feel good in themselves, but ALSO to appeal to the opposite sex... we're just smart mammals at the end of the day.. and all mammals engage in 'looking good' to get some nookie... peacocks open their feathers, pigeons do that weird dancing shit, lions roar and fight smaller lions to look big.... women wear low cut tops.. one day female lions will do the same

of course everyone wants to appeal to the opposite sex (or the same if that's how you roll) but that is NOT the same as purposely trying to show off bits of flesh to get treated like a piece of meat. there is difference between to trying to "look good" and trying to give the construction workers a peek at your cleavage!

soulsinging

Brain of J.Lo wrote:

Well, what type of sweats is she wearing? lol

Because there are some types that are designed to sexy.

I'm thinking she's not running around in grandma-style elastic waist pants from Sears.

At least I hope not!

i'd hate to rob you of that hope, so i'll just say "no comment" :(

soulsinging

gabers wrote:

I think also it's a group mentality thing. Whenever a group of guys are standing around it is physically impossible for us not to ogle at pretty girls. Seriously, an experiment should be conducted. Even the gay guys ogle. Some of us are just able to turn away a little quicker than others.

this is true.

soulsinging

Heineken Helen wrote:

Absolutely... like I said that's usually how Irish or British men are. When they see you're starting to get uncomfortable or you caught them looking they look away or are nicer about it. But foreign men didn't seem to get that memo :mad:

this might be true. i've spoken to girls here who have gone to italy and spain and they say men just stare and don't even blink when you look at them. even here, there seem to be ethnic differences. i don't think most american men stare like this either. i look away if i get busted, but i often don't get busted

MattCameronKicksButt

This thread reminds me of that episode of Seinfeld when Jerry says 'Men like women but they don't know how to get them. They honk their car horns because they don't know what else to do. We're all out of idea's'!

Heineken Helen

gabers wrote:

I think also it's a group mentality thing. Whenever a group of guys are standing around it is physically impossible for us not to ogle at pretty girls. Seriously, an experiment should be conducted. Even the gay guys ogle. Some of us are just able to turn away a little quicker than others.

finally a straight honest answer from a guy without being a prick

so next time you're in a group ogling some girl walking along, just remember how intimidating it can be

GreenTeaDisease

you know, I hate to say it, but the more I think about, the comment that was made at the beginning that if a woman is wearing a low cut top then it is obviously "for" a man to stare at and therefore they have the right to, it is almost a rapist mentality: wearing certain clothing is "for" men and therefore gives them the right to do what they want.

you know I thought in 2007 as a society we'd be past all this.

stu gee

I dont drool and rub my hands up and down my knees when looking at a female, but i dont turn away immediately either.

soulsinging

Heineken Helen wrote:

finally a straight honest answer from a guy without being a prick

so next time you're in a group ogling some girl walking along, just remember how intimidating it can be

intimidating is good. if girls are scared, they're more pliable. a little flutter in the stomach is physiologically very similar to arousal. they get flushed, breath heavier. it's effective. why do you think guys like to take girls to horror movies on dates? the fear is arousing.

MattCameronKicksButt

soulsinging wrote:

i'd hate to rob you of that hope, so i'll just say "no comment" :(

Well, if what dunkman and some of the other guys think is true, at least you know she's not looking elsewhere.

soulsinging

GreenTeaDisease wrote:

you know, I hate to say it, but the more I think about, the comment that was made at the beginning that if a woman is wearing a low cut top then it is obviously "for" a man to stare at and therefore they have the right to, it is almost a rapist mentality: wearing certain clothing is "for" men and therefore gives them the right to do what they want.

you know I thought in 2007 as a society we'd be past all this.

not even close. staring hurts nobody.

GreenTeaDisease

soulsinging wrote:

this might be true. i've spoken to girls here who have gone to italy and spain and they say men just stare and don't even blink when you look at them. even here, there seem to be ethnic differences. i don't think most american men stare like this either. i look away if i get busted, but i often don't get busted

there are definitely ethnic differences. everytime i've ever been honked or whistled at on the street in the U.S., it's been from the same ethnic group.

and France is SKETCH-Y when it comes to this. Omg, every man on the street seems to just stare down every woman who walks by. I was honestly pretty frightened by it.

GreenTeaDisease

soulsinging wrote:

not even close. staring hurts nobody.

I agree, i'm just saying it's the same mentality that women are "for" men.

dunkman

GreenTeaDisease wrote:

you know, I hate to say it, but the more I think about, the comment that was made at the beginning that if a woman is wearing a low cut top then it is obviously "for" a man to stare at and therefore they have the right to, it is almost a rapist mentality: wearing certain clothing is "for" men and therefore gives them the right to do what they want.

you know I thought in 2007 as a society we'd be past all this.

hey, i know its directed at me but i think saying i almost have a rapist mentality is a bit much... i said and i stand by it.. if a women passes me wearing a top that barely covers her nipples and her breasts are pushed out and up to resemble two bald men trying to get out of a bag... then i'm going to look.

i'm not saying all women do this, far from it... but i was meaning that some women dress to not only feel good about themselves but also to appeal to others... i think thats universally accepted.

but a rapists mentality... please.. i fuck around on this forum for some light entertainment, not to be called a rapist... wow

MattCameronKicksButt

It's funny how I said I've got no make up on, wearing jeans and a T-shirt and I'm getting ignored.


P.S. :mad:

dunkman

MattCameronKicksButt wrote:

This thread reminds me of that episode of Seinfeld when Jerry says 'Men like women but they don't know how to get them. They honk their car horns because they don't know what else to do. We're all out of idea's'!

that reminds me of a Billy Connolly quote:-

"Apparently, women need to feel loved to have sex. Men need to have sex to feel loved. How do we ever get started?"

soulsinging

MattCameronKicksButt wrote:

It's funny how I said I've got no make up on, wearing jeans and a T-shirt and I'm getting ignored.

P.S. :mad:

it beats a sweatsuit. and some girls don't need make up.

MattCameronKicksButt

dunkman wrote:

that reminds me of a Billy Connolly quote:-

"Apparently, women need to feel loved to have sex. Men need to have sex to feel loved. How do we ever get started?"

True.