why do men have to be so feckin obvious?

gue_barium

Ahnimus wrote:

The term masculist implies what?

It implies that the subject defends the rights of men "as a group".

A group? What characterizes this group?

Sports, beer, monster trucks, objectification of women?

Amongst the men that I know, including myself, none of us watch sports, drink heavely, care about monster trucks, objectify women or any other things that characterize men as a group. Does this mean that I am not a man?

Does the term feminism imply something different? Less gender-centric? Less bias? Less selfish?

What really seperates men from women into these distinct groups? Men have a Y chromosome and women do not? Testicles? Denser prefrontal cortices? Smaller amygdalas? More testosterone? Less estrogen? A history of societal reinforcement of aggressive and assertive behavior?

Where is the defining line that separates these groups? Is it purely anatomical? Is this reason to take a side? Rise against? Defend one over the other? To title a movement?

When will it end? When will we say "Two XX chromosomes and a slightly larger corpus collasum do not make a better parent." or "A Y chromosome and a gender history make people assholes, power-mongers."?

According to wikipedia, men can be feminists, could a man not represent a woman in politics? Or does it have to be equal representation? How do we equally represent everyone in a gender, ethnic group? Do we use prior annual censuses to determine how many seats each gender and ethnicity get?

Back in this 60s the term Feminism served it's purpose, but now that movement needs to die and be reborn under a more equal fight for all rights of all people.

Back in the 60's some men did become card-carrying feminists, but by then the message of feminism had become a dilute of mainstream media culture. Personally, I don't think men can honestly represent feminism in any way, shape or form. The idea of a "strong woman" in some, historically speaking, has been parlayed into all the social stigmas of negative stereotyping, etc., that we still hear today, and still is prevalent to some degree. Half the shit you hear deriding Hilary Clinton is along these lines. And it's the reason you get the political feminist sub-groups defending the gender in the fashion they do.
On the higher road of all this, I think, of masculists and feminists, it exists to remind us of who we are, and not a whole lot more.
Not that we don't need reminding from time to time.

soulsinging

Ahnimus wrote:

See, the thing is, feminism implies "Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus" or that there should be or is a "battle of the sexes". I see it all the time on this board "men this" "men that". They are feminist stereotypes, some might pack a bit of truth, but it's hypocritical in so many ways. True equality does not come from blacks rising against whites, or women rising against men, it comes from all of us standing together.

the parts you highlighted from wikipedia didn't say anything like this.

oh yeah, bitches ain't shit!

catefrances

soulsinging wrote:

the parts you highlighted from wikipedia didn't say anything like this.

oh yeah, bitches ain't shit!

thank goodness youve decided to grace us with your presence and sagacity conor.

soulsinging

catefrances wrote:

thank goodness youve decided to grace us with your presence and sagacity conor.

i wish i could take credit for that golden nugget, but that particular piece of wisdom came courtesy of snoop dogg.

you might wanna warn the women of oz... i may study there next fall.

Jeanie

soulsinging wrote:

i wish i could take credit for that golden nugget, but that particular piece of wisdom came courtesy of snoop dogg.

you might wanna warn the women of oz... i may study there next fall.

OH CHRIST!!! I'm moving to New Zealand!

fanch75

soulsinging wrote:

oh yeah, bitches ain't shit!

It's "Bytchez ain't shyt!"

catefrances

soulsinging wrote:

i wish i could take credit for that golden nugget, but that particular piece of wisdom came courtesy of snoop dogg.

you might wanna warn the women of oz... i may study there next fall.

women of oz dont need any warnings conor. we are very adept at thinking on our feet. but youre more than welcome to bring it on.

fanch75

Heineken Helen wrote:

I went to one of the other offices there a few minutes ago and there were a group of guys standing outside and they all turned and looked at me walking the whole way, all looking me up and down and I felt really paranoid. I glared at them til they all looked away. I mean, I'm not even wearing a really low cut top today... but just felt so dirty.

So if you're a man... don't stare, it's fuckin RUDE! :mad:

lol, ok.

fanch75

Ahnimus wrote:

Back in this 60s the term Feminism served it's purpose, but now that movement needs to die and be reborn under a more equal fight for all rights of all people.

That's right. Women need to stfu and get in the kitchen and start fryin up some meat for us men. And scrub those toilets, too! I expect everything shiney & clean when I get back, whatever time that is!

And I want a cold glass of fresh-filtered water and a sandwich awaiting my return!

iluvcats

fanch75 wrote:

That's right. Women need to stfu and get in the kitchen and start fryin up sme meat for us men. And scrub those toilets, too! I expect everything shiney & clean when I get back, whatever time that is!

And I want a cold glass of fresh-filtered water and a sandwich awaiting me!

and the wife needs to have your favorite music playing when you get home...

you are my kind of man, too bad I'm already married.

fanch75

iluvcats wrote:

and the wife needs to have your favorite music playing when you get home...

you are my kind of man, too bad I'm already married.

It's difficult, I know!

Hi L.

iluvcats

fanch75 wrote:

It's difficult, I know!

Hi L.

Hi.

Be glad I was nice to you b/c others will blast you tomorrow when they read your remarks. I know you were kidding.

prism

fanch75 wrote:

That's right. Women need to stfu and get in the kitchen and start fryin up some meat for us men. And scrub those toilets, too! I expect everything shiney & clean when I get back, whatever time that is!

And I want a cold glass of fresh-filtered water and a sandwich awaiting my return!

don't be surprise if that sammich is laced with cyanide

soulsinging

catefrances wrote:

women of oz dont need any warnings conor. we are very adept at thinking on our feet.

i've no use for that. i prefer my women moaning on their back or gagging on their knees. i'll be sure to teach the ladies of oz all about it.

fanch75

iluvcats wrote:

Hi.

Be glad I was nice to you b/c others will blast you tomorrow when they read your remarks. I know you were kidding.

I hear you. I will be moving close to your hood soon. N. WVA

iluvcats

fanch75 wrote:

That's right. Women need to stfu and get in the kitchen and start fryin up some meat for us men. And scrub those toilets, too! I expect everything shiney & clean when I get back, whatever time that is!

And I want a cold glass of fresh-filtered water and a sandwich awaiting my return!

p.s. I started using the crock pot now instead of frying.

iluvcats

fanch75 wrote:

I hear you. I will be moving close to your hood soon. N. WVA

northern West VA? That's not close to me, don't know where you mean but Cumberland, MD is exactly 2 hours.

fanch75

Morgantown, WV. The home of burning couches! Very close to Cumberland. Pitt and Philly shows, here I come!

bayleaf

gue_barium wrote:

Personally, I don't think men can honestly represent feminism in any way, shape or form.

Really ? Remember, one of the first texts to argue for womens equality was writen by a guy, John Stuart Mill.......

iluvcats

fanch75 wrote:

Morgantown, WV. The home of burning couches! Very close to Cumberland. Pitt and Philly shows, here I come!

my brother in law and his wife live there. my husband graduated from wvu.
my inlaws are still in wv.