2008 New York Mets

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  • smg9779
    smg9779 Posts: 235
    rhinomagic wrote:
    Don't forget that great product of the Giants' farm system Barry Zito.

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    I hate the Giants.
    Steve

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  • smg9779
    smg9779 Posts: 235
    Fighting Hellfish wrote:
    Derek Jeter, Mariano Rivera, Bernie Williams, Andy Pettitte, Jorge Posada, Robinson Cano, Phil Hughes, Joba Chamberlain, Ian Kennedy

    Should I go on?

    1B Jason Giambi
    OF Bobby Abreu
    OF Hideki Matsui
    OF Johnny Damon
    3B Alex Rodriguez

    And thats just half of your starting lineup. Should I go on?
    Steve

    11/18/97 Oakland
    07/13/98 Los Angeles
    07/14/98 Los Angeles
    10/31/99 Bridge School
    10/28/00 San Bernardino
    10/31/00 Mountain View
    10/21/01 Bridge School
    06/01/03 Mountain View
    07/15/06 SF I
    07/16/06 SF II
    07/18/06 SF III
    10/21/06 Bridge School
    04/07/08 Berkeley
    04/08/08 Berkeley
  • orig_long red
    orig_long red Posts: 2,029
    give him what he fucking wants already!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    why are u making us sweat?!?!?!
    Jam out with your clam out.
  • Fighting Hellfish
    Fighting Hellfish Posts: 3,175
    smg9779 wrote:
    1B Jason Giambi
    OF Bobby Abreu
    OF Hideki Matsui
    OF Johnny Damon
    3B Alex Rodriguez

    And thats just half of your starting lineup. Should I go on?

    You're missing the point. You're talking about them not having any homegrown players, and I just gave you the nucleus of the dynasty, and the 4/5th of this years starting rotation. What team are you a fan of?
  • Fighting Hellfish
    Fighting Hellfish Posts: 3,175
    Mets are looking for a 2 hour extension.
  • yosi1
    yosi1 Posts: 3,272
    long red wrote:
    give him what he fucking wants already!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    why are u making us sweat?!?!?!

    Dude, I totally can empathize. I fucking cannot believe this shit. At least the deadline is only two hours. Can you imagine what two days would have been like?

    By the way, there's an awesome blog for all Mets fans out there, http://www.metsblog.com

    Awesome source for news.
    you couldn't swing if you were hangin' from a palm tree in a hurricane.
  • smg9779
    smg9779 Posts: 235
    Fighting Hellfish wrote:
    You're missing the point. You're talking about them not having any homegrown players, and I just gave you the nucleus of the dynasty, and the 4/5th of this years starting rotation. What team are you a fan of?

    Sorry, I don't think I made myself clear. Yes, the Yankees and every other team in MLB have home grown players on their team. However, the Yankees can attribute less of their success to their home grown players than any other team in baseball or close it, especially since the 2000 season. My criticisms of the Yankees, Red Sox and now I fear the Mets is that they do not seem to have the patience to develop a young player into a star. As a Dodger fan, words cannot describe the pride that is felt when a Russell Martin, Paul Lo Duca, Mike Piazza, Andre Either, I could go on forever comes up and becomes a star. The point is, recognizing young talent and having the patience to nurture it rather than selling it off for something NOW used to be a part of baseball. Unfortunately, the Yankees and Red Sox seem to be killing this mode of team managment. And lately the Dodgers seem to be following suit. Makes me sad. But it makes me feel a little better that the Yankees have won jack shit since 2000.
    Steve

    11/18/97 Oakland
    07/13/98 Los Angeles
    07/14/98 Los Angeles
    10/31/99 Bridge School
    10/28/00 San Bernardino
    10/31/00 Mountain View
    10/21/01 Bridge School
    06/01/03 Mountain View
    07/15/06 SF I
    07/16/06 SF II
    07/18/06 SF III
    10/21/06 Bridge School
    04/07/08 Berkeley
    04/08/08 Berkeley
  • yosi1
    yosi1 Posts: 3,272
    smg9779 wrote:
    Sorry, I don't think I made myself clear. Yes, the Yankees and every other team in MLB have home grown players on their team. However, the Yankees can attribute less of their success to their home grown players than any other team in baseball or close it, especially since the 2000 season. My criticisms of the Yankees, Red Sox and now I fear the Mets is that they do not seem to have the patience to develop a young player into a star. As a Dodger fan, words cannot describe the pride that is felt when a Russell Martin, Paul Lo Duca, Mike Piazza, Andre Either, I could go on forever comes up and becomes a star. The point is, recognizing young talent and having the patience to nurture it rather than selling it off for something NOW used to be a part of baseball. Unfortunately, the Yankees and Red Sox seem to be killing this mode of team managment. And lately the Dodgers seem to be following suit. Makes me sad. But it makes me feel a little better that the Yankees have won jack shit since 2000.

    That's kind of silly, because sometimes the young talent just isn't there. Sometimes, often times, in order to win, you need to import talent. Any fan of baseball knows that.
    you couldn't swing if you were hangin' from a palm tree in a hurricane.
  • yosi1
    yosi1 Posts: 3,272
    Johan is a Met!!!
    you couldn't swing if you were hangin' from a palm tree in a hurricane.
  • YieldInHiding
    YieldInHiding Posts: 1,841
    yosi wrote:
    Johan is a Met!!!
    Yep for 8 more years. The 7 doesn't start until after this season.

    Whoops. Barry Zito might need a loan by then. ;)
    No longer overwhelmed it seems so simple now.
  • Fighting Hellfish
    Fighting Hellfish Posts: 3,175
    This one pains me. Johan has long been a favorite of mine. I drafted him in 2 fantasy leagues a few years back when he was a reliever. Now he's on the Mutts. Who continue in their quest to buy a championship. maybe this year they'll have better luck, and may be able to buy a division title. It should be noted that Johan will make more than the entire Yankees rotation next year if it's Pettitte, Wang, Hughes, Joba and Kennedy
  • orig_long red
    orig_long red Posts: 2,029
    Fighting Hellfish wrote:
    This one pains me. Johan has long been a favorite of mine. I drafted him in 2 fantasy leagues a few years back when he was a reliever. Now he's on the Mutts. Who continue in their quest to buy a championship. maybe this year they'll have better luck, and may be able to buy a division title. It should be noted that Johan will make more than the entire Yankees rotation next year if it's Pettitte, Wang, Hughes, Joba and Kennedy

    we already bought a division title a few years ago.

    and who gives a fuck anyhow? thats the default argument of jealous losers ... "you bought your championship." yea and it's about fucking time.
    Jam out with your clam out.
  • Fighting Hellfish
    Fighting Hellfish Posts: 3,175
    yeah, I know. I just like making fun of Met fans who used to say that about the yankees now that the shoe is on the other foot.
  • rhinomagic
    rhinomagic Charlottesville, VA Posts: 2,553
    smg9779 wrote:
    Sorry, I don't think I made myself clear. Yes, the Yankees and every other team in MLB have home grown players on their team. However, the Yankees can attribute less of their success to their home grown players than any other team in baseball or close it, especially since the 2000 season. My criticisms of the Yankees, Red Sox and now I fear the Mets is that they do not seem to have the patience to develop a young player into a star. As a Dodger fan, words cannot describe the pride that is felt when a Russell Martin, Paul Lo Duca, Mike Piazza, Andre Either, I could go on forever comes up and becomes a star. The point is, recognizing young talent and having the patience to nurture it rather than selling it off for something NOW used to be a part of baseball. Unfortunately, the Yankees and Red Sox seem to be killing this mode of team managment. And lately the Dodgers seem to be following suit. Makes me sad. But it makes me feel a little better that the Yankees have won jack shit since 2000.

    First of all, respect to you for being a Dodgers fan for a long-time. It's got to be tough when the organization lets products of their draft and farm system walk or trades them away. They had so many consecutive Rookies of the Year that prove how good their player development is. But what has it gotten them? A couple of trips to the playoffs in the past 10 years and zero WS titles in 20 years. That's what.

    Second, you can point fingers all you want about free agency and high payrolls usually being the mark of the elite teams, but the truth is that the game of baseball has evolved and this is our product. We may not like that the best players go to the highest bidders, but that's what we have on our hands. I'm not a fan of this system, but my favorite team's ownership happens to have the resources to compete in this system. I'm glad they do. Otherwise, the Mets would be the Royals or the Pirates or the Rays. I refuse to apologize or try to sooth people's feelings about this Santana deal. We won the derby, we're paying the piper, and the rest of you have to live with what might have been.

    Thirdly and last of all, your criticisms that those teams listed above "do not have the patience to develop a young player into a star" are poorly researched. The Mets have Wright and Reyes, two guys that are becoming fixtures on the all-star team. The Yankees, as Hellfish pointed out, developed the core of their championship runs from '96-'00 from within. The Red Sox just debuted three or four really good players from their minor leagues last season: Pedroia (ROY), Ellsbury, Buchholz, Lester (return from cancer).

    In sum, either jump on the bandwagon (which your team has done before: Kevin Brown or Jeff Kent ring a bell?) or get out of the way. Stop bagging on the Mets for getting this player just because your team didn't have the courage to go for it. I mean, they have the prospects/future stars, right? If your team wants to be a big boy--they ARE the Dodgers, for cryin' out loud--they need to start playing ball like big boys. Otherwise, your prized farm products will be sitting at home watching the D'backs, Rockies, or Padres represent the West every year in the postseason.

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  • rhinomagic
    rhinomagic Charlottesville, VA Posts: 2,553
    yosi wrote:
    Johan is a Met!!!

    Can't wait for pitchers and catchers to report later this month.

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/baseball/mlb/02/01/mets.santana.official/index.html

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    Memphis 1994
    New Orleans 1995
    Fort Lauderdale 1996
    Atlanta & Birmingham 1998
    New Orleans 2000
    Tampa 2003
    Kissimmee 2004
    New York City (x 2) 2008
    East Troy (x 2) 2011
    Chicago & New Orleans 2013
    Hampton, Raleigh, Boston 2016
    Baltimore 2020
    Louisville 2022
    Philadelphia & Baltimore 2024
  • glb
    glb Posts: 356
    long red wrote:
    we already bought a division title a few years ago.

    and who gives a fuck anyhow? thats the default argument of jealous losers ... "you bought your championship." yea and it's about fucking time.

    You can't buy a championship. It's all about chemistry, and without chemistry comes a collapse. Y'all do have a solid team though. It will be interesting to see how everything plays out with injuries, who performs higher than expected, and who plays like shiat. I can't wait for the season to start!!
    "I've got things to do and things to say in my own way..."
  • yosi1
    yosi1 Posts: 3,272
    glb wrote:
    You can't buy a championship. It's all about chemistry, and without chemistry comes a collapse. Y'all do have a solid team though. It will be interesting to see how everything plays out with injuries, who performs higher than expected, and who plays like shiat. I can't wait for the season to start!!

    Does taking back an old player for a real high salary count as trying to buy a championship or is that counted as a homegrown player? Seriously.
    you couldn't swing if you were hangin' from a palm tree in a hurricane.
  • Fighting Hellfish
    Fighting Hellfish Posts: 3,175
    good question. I consider Pettitte to be a homegrown yankee, despite the 3 years in Houston, and despite the fact that he was signed as a free agent. It could easily be argued that he was a homegrown Yankee from 1995-2003, and is now just another free agent signee. I'm not sure if that answers your question. Did you mean pettitte, or someone more along the lines of a Mariano Rivera, who's been a Yankee his whole career, but this year hit the free agent market, and ultimately resigned with the yankees?
  • Goodfella1111
    Goodfella1111 Posts: 166
    Mets Will Collapse This Year Just Like They Do Every Other Year Lol

    Dont Believe The Hype

    Go Yankees!
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  • Fighting Hellfish
    Fighting Hellfish Posts: 3,175
    I wouldn't count on it. i'm a big Yankees fan, one who loves seeing the Mets suffer. But there's no chance of them not making the playoffs when you take last years team, drop Loduca and Milledge and add Johan Santana. The Phillies will still be good, and it will still be a good divisional race, but the only scenario where the Mets miss the playoffs is if Santana blows out his arm, or Maine, Perez and Pedro all suck and/or get hurt

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