2008 New York Mets

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  • harrymanbackharrymanback Posts: 435
    Stupid Kazmir deal was under the old regime. I like to note how Mike Jacobs is putting together a nice year for the marlins.

    as for girardi, he just got here, and was not behind, i hate to say it, "the greatest collapse in MLB history"
    I don't want to be hostile. I don't want to be dismal. But I don't want to rot in an apathetic existance either.
  • rhinomagicrhinomagic Charlottesville, VA Posts: 2,552
    Omar should've snagged Matt Garza when he had the chance over the winter.

    Taking two of three from the division leader is better than anything they did last week.

    Let's Go Mets!

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  • alpittalpitt Posts: 91
    Garza would have required a young hitter such as F-Mart or Reyes. Wasn't happening. Anyone see last night's win? It was downright awesome. If it took a Fernando Tatis to turn things around, then so be it. The celebration itself showed what this team can do when they are 'picking each other up' (classic Wille line), and having fun.
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  • well that was nice of moises alou to stay healthy for three weeks...


    3 weeks would have made him an IronMan this time. He's out for tonight, and has an MRI scheduled at the Moises Alou Diagnostic Imaging Wing at the Hospital for Special Surgery
  • xavier mcdanielxavier mcdaniel Somewhere in NYC Posts: 9,308
    3 weeks would have made him an IronMan this time. He's out for tonight, and has an MRI scheduled at the Moises Alou Diagnostic Imaging Wing at the Hospital for Special Surgery

    we had three games for our over under on that. whoops..
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  • Jon Heyman of SI says Willie and the coaching staff may be on their way out

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/baseball/mlb/06/13/heyman.randolphupdate/index.html
  • rhinomagicrhinomagic Charlottesville, VA Posts: 2,552
    Jon Heyman of SI says Willie and the coaching staff may be on their way out

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/baseball/mlb/06/13/heyman.randolphupdate/index.html


    That's not surprising, given the obvious lack of leadership.

    I heard an ESPN talking head criticize Omar for assembling his own real-life fantasy baseball team, stocked with Omar's favorite players. Funny observation.

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  • xavier mcdanielxavier mcdaniel Somewhere in NYC Posts: 9,308
    he really should fire delgado too. yesterday delgado might have cost santana a shot at pitching into the eighth inning. he did not even attempt to dive for a foul ball in the third inning, not saying he should have dove, but if he did and caught it, it would saved santana from a 10-pitch at-bat.
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  • I understand the move at this point, but there's no way you can blame Willie for the happenings of the last 4 games. 3 of those games, he brought in his closer, with a lead in the 9th inning. How is wagner going into his annual blown save fest Willie's fault. The only blame you can pin on him is the Pelfrey game. He either should have let pelfrey work thru the 9th (not sure how many pitches he had thrown, but he still looked strong) OR brought wagner in to start the 9th. For whatever reason, Wagner has a hard time when he doesn't start the inning. Bringing him in with a guy on 1st is a problem for him. It shouldn't be, but it is.

    Jon heyman will be on with Mike Francesa in a few minutes.
  • rhinomagic wrote:
    That's not surprising, given the obvious lack of leadership.

    I heard an ESPN talking head criticize Omar for assembling his own real-life fantasy baseball team, stocked with Omar's favorite players. Funny observation.

    Let's Go Mets!

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    yeah, it's one thing to take a chance with an over the hill gang team, but to do so without a net, that's on Omar. To have Marlon Anderson hit 6th, that's just pathetic. And whoever decided to fly Church out to Colorado and let him pinch hit, that guy should be fired on the spot, whether it be Omar, Willie, or the team Dr.. He got hurt on a bush play that could have hurt Escobar, so i don't feel too bad for him, but he should been immediately disabled.
  • orig_long redorig_long red Posts: 2,029
    I feel bad for Willie, but I understand the need for change. The only problem I have, is that bench coach Jerry Manuel is not the answer. We need fire. We need a complete culture change. We need Bobby Valentine. He took this team to the World Series with an outfield that consisted of Timo Perez, Jay Payton, and Benny Agbayani. The Wilpons need to get on the phone to Japan and say domo origato, Mr. Valentine.
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  • xavier mcdanielxavier mcdaniel Somewhere in NYC Posts: 9,308
    To me when reading that Minaya is considering this, it's more of a way for him to try and save himself. Randolph was Minaya's guy and ownership might be forcing his hand. If the next guy Minaya selects also fails with the group that was put together by Minaya, then it's the GM who goes.
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  • orig_long redorig_long red Posts: 2,029
    To me when reading that Minaya is considering this, it's more of a way for him to try and save himself. Randolph was Minaya's guy and ownership might be forcing his hand. If the next guy Minaya selects also fails with the group that was put together by Minaya, then it's the GM who goes.

    Randolph was barely Minaya's guy. Minaya wanted Manny Acta, who is now with the Nationals. Minaya is not a Willie backer, that is evidenced by the lack of statements made from the GM concerning his confidence in Willie. Randolph was brought in here because he's a popular NY figure born and raised.
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  • xavier mcdanielxavier mcdaniel Somewhere in NYC Posts: 9,308
    long red wrote:
    Randolph was barely Minaya's guy. Minaya wanted Manny Acta, who is now with the Nationals. Minaya is not a Willie backer, that is evidenced by the lack of statements made from the GM concerning his confidence in Willie. Randolph was brought in here because he's a popular NY figure born and raised.

    My bad, I thought it was the other way around due to the various rumblings that other members of the front office don't like Randolph. This still is more Minaya than Randolph's fault.
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  • ReleaseMe...ReleaseMe... Posts: 494
    why is omar such an untouchable? because he is a Mina-ority

    everyone has this perception of him that he has the golden touch. he is not jerry west, or some magical savior who can do no wrong. if his name was Steve Johnson, he would be fired by now
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  • orig_long redorig_long red Posts: 2,029
    My bad, I thought it was the other way around due to the various rumblings that other members of the front office don't like Randolph. This still is more Minaya than Randolph's fault.

    All the fault lies squarely with Minaya. He wanted to build the Nueva York Latinos and in doing so, saddled this franchise with heartless, passionless pukes. He did make some good moves however. He scooped up John Maine and Oliver Perez as throw-ins for other players. Perez has looked shitty lately, but 15 wins last year is nothing to sneeze at. He also picked up Church and Schneider this year, both of whom have been successful. The mistakes I pinpoint are Delagado, Beltran and Pedro. I don't think getting them was the mistake, but rather making them the foundations of the team was his error. Pedro has barely made an impact on the field and Beltran and Delgado are clearly not leaders.
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  • ReleaseMe...ReleaseMe... Posts: 494
    long red wrote:
    All the fault lies squarely with Minaya. He wanted to build the Nueva York Latinos and in doing so, saddled this franchise with heartless, passionless pukes. He did make some good moves however. He scooped up John Maine and Oliver Perez as throw-ins for other players. Perez has looked shitty lately, but 15 wins last year is nothing to sneeze at. He also picked up Church and Schneider this year, both of whom have been successful. The mistakes I pinpoint are Delagado, Beltran and Pedro. I don't think getting them was the mistake, but rather making them the foundations of the team was his error. Pedro has barely made an impact on the field and Beltran and Delgado are clearly not leaders.
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  • xavier mcdanielxavier mcdaniel Somewhere in NYC Posts: 9,308
    long red wrote:
    All the fault lies squarely with Minaya. He wanted to build the Nueva York Latinos and in doing so, saddled this franchise with heartless, passionless pukes. He did make some good moves however. He scooped up John Maine and Oliver Perez as throw-ins for other players. Perez has looked shitty lately, but 15 wins last year is nothing to sneeze at. He also picked up Church and Schneider this year, both of whom have been successful. The mistakes I pinpoint are Delagado, Beltran and Pedro. I don't think getting them was the mistake, but rather making them the foundations of the team was his error. Pedro has barely made an impact on the field and Beltran and Delgado are clearly not leaders.

    That's why Beltran would have been fine with the Yankees. He could have been productive and his quiet personality would have blended in fine with the leadership of Jeter and Posada.

    I also pinpoint what the farm system looks like under his reign. Other than Wright and Reyes, there's not much other homegrown talent and those guys were developed in the system by the time Minaya got here.

    Also, triple-A is a place for a lot of guys trying to hang on but it's also a place for some prospect. Here's a sampling of the current roster for their top minor league affiliate and forgetting who's latino and who's not, just look at the ages.

    Pitchers
    Tony Armas - 30
    Willie Collazo - 28
    Nate Field - 32
    Nelson Figueroa - 34
    Brandon Knight - 32
    Ruddy Lugo - 28
    Ivan Maldonado - 31
    Tim McNab - 28
    Carlos Muniz - 27
    Juan Padilla - 31
    Jose Santiago - 33
    Brian Stokes - 29

    C
    Luis Alen - 23
    Robinson Cancel - 32

    IF
    Michel Abreu - 29
    Anderson Hernandez - 25
    Anderson Machado - 27
    Argenis Reyes - 25
    Jose Valentin - 39

    OF
    Jesus Feliciano - 29
    Raul Gonzalez - 34
    Victor Mendez - 27
    Valentino Pascucci - 29
    John Rodriguez - 30
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    Chicago 2007
    Camden 2008 MSG 2008 MSG 2008 Hartford 2008.
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    Hartford 2010 MSG 2010 MSG 2010
    Toronto 2011,Toronto 2011
    Wrigley Field 2013 Brooklyn 2013 Brooklyn 2013 Philadelphia 2, 2013
    Philadelphia 1, 2016 Philadelphia 2 2016 New York 2016 New York 2016 Fenway 1, 2016
    Fenway 2, 2018
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  • myhookmyhook Posts: 284
    long red wrote:
    All the fault lies squarely with Minaya. He wanted to build the Nueva York Latinos and in doing so, saddled this franchise with heartless, passionless pukes. He did make some good moves however. He scooped up John Maine and Oliver Perez as throw-ins for other players. Perez has looked shitty lately, but 15 wins last year is nothing to sneeze at. He also picked up Church and Schneider this year, both of whom have been successful. The mistakes I pinpoint are Delagado, Beltran and Pedro. I don't think getting them was the mistake, but rather making them the foundations of the team was his error. Pedro has barely made an impact on the field and Beltran and Delgado are clearly not leaders.

    I am not a fan of the Mets at all but as an outsider I agree with this. Yes Omar seemed to go after Hispanic players but he put too much on the older ones as well. Between Delgado, Alou, and Pedro the Mets are paying $34 mil and are an average of 37 years old. I would hate to see Willie pay the price for trying to coach players he didn't pick. Plus other than Wright, does anyone in this lineup scare you? Reyes only scares you if he is on base, and that seems to be rare these days. They are getting most of their production from trash heap players, Chaves, Tatis, Church (when healthy), Easly. even with the Santana signing, I didn't see the high expectations. Up until Sept. of last year the Mets had some swagger and other teams were not happy to play them. Now it seems like if you are in a slump...bring on the Mets.
    Hey, you wouldn't hire a clown to fix a leak in the jon so why do you let these hooligans tear down the biz? YEEAAHHH. I don't care if he is Mr. Notorious BIG, can he croon?
  • orig_long redorig_long red Posts: 2,029
    myhook wrote:
    I am not a fan of the Mets at all but as an outsider I agree with this. Yes Omar seemed to go after Hispanic players but he put too much on the older ones as well. Between Delgado, Alou, and Pedro the Mets are paying $34 mil and are an average of 37 years old. I would hate to see Willie pay the price for trying to coach players he didn't pick. Plus other than Wright, does anyone in this lineup scare you? Reyes only scares you if he is on base, and that seems to be rare these days. They are getting most of their production from trash heap players, Chaves, Tatis, Church (when healthy), Easly. even with the Santana signing, I didn't see the high expectations. Up until Sept. of last year the Mets had some swagger and other teams were not happy to play them. Now it seems like if you are in a slump...bring on the Mets.

    let's not forget about the staggering 4-year deal for the one-legged Luis Castillo.

    This team needs about as a complete overhaul as you can get. Keep only Wright, Reyes, Beltran, Church, Schnieder, Santana, Maine, Pelfrey, Schoenweis, Sanchez, Wagner. Everyone else, coaches and GM included, need to go.
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  • Bathgate66Bathgate66 Posts: 15,813
    so according to SI.com, Willie Randolph is in some serious trouble after those 2 last losses.

    :eek:
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  • That's why Beltran would have been fine with the Yankees. He could have been productive and his quiet personality would have blended in fine with the leadership of Jeter and Posada.

    I also pinpoint what the farm system looks like under his reign. Other than Wright and Reyes, there's not much other homegrown talent and those guys were developed in the system by the time Minaya got here.

    Also, triple-A is a place for a lot of guys trying to hang on but it's also a place for some prospect. Here's a sampling of the current roster for their top minor league affiliate and forgetting who's latino and who's not, just look at the ages.

    Pitchers
    Tony Armas - 30
    Willie Collazo - 28
    Nate Field - 32
    Nelson Figueroa - 34
    Brandon Knight - 32
    Ruddy Lugo - 28
    Ivan Maldonado - 31
    Tim McNab - 28
    Carlos Muniz - 27
    Juan Padilla - 31
    Jose Santiago - 33
    Brian Stokes - 29

    C
    Luis Alen - 23
    Robinson Cancel - 32

    IF
    Michel Abreu - 29
    Anderson Hernandez - 25
    Anderson Machado - 27
    Argenis Reyes - 25
    Jose Valentin - 39

    OF
    Jesus Feliciano - 29
    Raul Gonzalez - 34
    Victor Mendez - 27
    Valentino Pascucci - 29
    John Rodriguez - 30


    good point. i saw something in the paper, or maybe it was on the radio.....if Jose Reyes was on the AAA team, he would be the 2nd youngest guy on the team. That is a gutted farm system. There isn't one guy on that list who could help the Mets this year, or in the future. maybe, if you got lucky, Tony armas could be a servicable emergency starter. That list reads like Omar helping out some fellow Latinos who are on hard times. Going simply by name, and not knowing for sure, it looks like there are 19 Latinos on that roster, half of whom are in their 30's
  • long red wrote:
    I feel bad for Willie, but I understand the need for change. The only problem I have, is that bench coach Jerry Manuel is not the answer. We need fire. We need a complete culture change. We need Bobby Valentine. He took this team to the World Series with an outfield that consisted of Timo Perez, Jay Payton, and Benny Agbayani. The Wilpons need to get on the phone to Japan and say domo origato, Mr. Valentine.

    You know who i think would be an absolute perfect fit for this team? Tony Pena. And as a Yankee fan, i'd hate to lose him, as he does great work with Jorge.
  • myhookmyhook Posts: 284
    long red wrote:
    let's not forget about the staggering 4-year deal for the one-legged Luis Castillo.

    This team needs about as a complete overhaul as you can get. Keep only Wright, Reyes, Beltran, Church, Schnieder, Santana, Maine, Pelfrey, Schoenweis, Sanchez, Wagner. Everyone else, coaches and GM included, need to go.
    I forgot about Castillo. I wouldn't be scared to trade Reyes either. He just has the look of a "clubhouse cancer".

    Plus, when are the Mets going to bring Jose Lima back?
    Hey, you wouldn't hire a clown to fix a leak in the jon so why do you let these hooligans tear down the biz? YEEAAHHH. I don't care if he is Mr. Notorious BIG, can he croon?
  • orig_long redorig_long red Posts: 2,029
    myhook wrote:
    I forgot about Castillo. I wouldn't be scared to trade Reyes either. He just has the look of a "clubhouse cancer".

    Plus, when are the Mets going to bring Jose Lima back?

    around Lima Time. Which is somewhere between Mediocre Time and Gut-Wrenchingly Awful Time.
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  • PJLuisPJLuis Posts: 385
    Hi, I'm from Mexico and be heading to NY (for the first time) for both PJ shows.

    I will arrive on the 23rd and be coming back to Mexico on the 29th. I want the whole week to be a kick ass week for me.

    I am looking for one (1) Yankees vs Mets ticket for Friday, June 27 game at Shea Stadium.

    I have never been to a MLB game before and I tried to get tickets from mets web site and I couldn't get them.

    Please, If you have any ticket and want to share it (I will pay for it), let me know.

    I will show my gratitude by buying some beers for whoever helps me out.

    Luis.
  • orig_long redorig_long red Posts: 2,029
    PJLuis wrote:
    Hi, I'm from Mexico and be heading to NY (for the first time) for both PJ shows.

    I will arrive on the 23rd and be coming back to Mexico on the 29th. I want the whole week to be a kick ass week for me.

    I am looking for one (1) Yankees vs Mets ticket for Friday, June 27 game at Shea Stadium.

    I have never been to a MLB game before and I tried to get tickets from mets web site and I couldn't get them.

    Please, If you have any ticket and want to share it (I will pay for it), let me know.

    I will show my gratitude by buying some beers for whoever helps me out.

    Luis.

    if you go early to the stadium the day of the game, you'll probably be able to get some shitty tickets. depending on how many people you're going with.
    Jam out with your clam out.
  • long red wrote:
    if you go early to the stadium the day of the game, you'll probably be able to get some shitty tickets. depending on how many people you're going with.

    that should work. You could also try EBay. Is this the makeup game? if so, there will be plenty of people who had tickets to the rained out game who can not make it to the rescheduled game. I don't think you'll have any problem getting tickets. If you want really good seats, that might prove a bit difficult
  • PJLuisPJLuis Posts: 385
    Thanks for the answer long red and Fighting Hellfish.

    I am going alone.

    It does not matter where the seat is located, I just want to get in for my first mlb game.

    When you say that I will probably be able to get one ticket, do you mean at the ticket window or with scalpers?
  • much more likely with scalpers. you might get lucky at the ticket window, just because you're looking for a single ticket, but I wouldn't count on it
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