Will there be another Star Wars?

Vedd Hedd

The best Star Wars Movie = The Empire Strikes Back.

The only Star Wars movie NOT directed by George Lucas = The Empire Strikes Back.

Rhinocerous Surprise

Vedd Hedd wrote:

The best Star Wars Movie = The Empire Strikes Back.

The only Star Wars movie NOT directed by George Lucas = The Empire Strikes Back.

Return of the Jedi wasn't directed by him either. Twas directed by Richard Marquand.

Vedd Hedd

Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:

Return of the Jedi wasn't directed by him either. Twas directed by Richard Marquand.

gotcha.

So Irvin Kershner> George Lucas > Richard Marquand

Kilgore_Trout

Vedd Hedd wrote:

gotcha.

So Irvin Kershner> George Lucas > Richard Marquand

oh please... even Marquand had to have given better direction than:

"ok... the green screen behind you has a big monster on it... we'll put that in later... and theres lasers being shot at you... we'll put those in later too... and... ACTION!"

Rhinocerous Surprise

Vedd Hedd wrote:

gotcha.

So Irvin Kershner> George Lucas > Richard Marquand

Hehe. The three prequels sully Lucas' name so much... but Episode 4, and the Indy films redeem him. But I do like Jedi far more than any of the prequels, Ewoks and all. Yub yub!

Vedd Hedd

sgossard3 wrote:

oh please... even Marquand had to have given better direction than:

"ok... the green screen behind you has a big monster on it... we'll put that in later... and theres lasers being shot at you... we'll put those in later too... and... ACTION!"

Yeah, his dialogue is pretty terrible. Just the whole ewok thing.....kinda killed it for me.....the Darth Vader/Luke battle with the Emperor was the only good thing about the end of that movie....the Lando-death star sequence should have been better and the worst part was the endor scenes after Luke left.....

Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:

Hehe. The three prequels sully Lucas' name so much... but Episode 4, and the Indy films redeem him. But I do like Jedi far more than any of the prequels, Ewoks and all. Yub yub!

Yeah, I guess I do like Jedi more than I and II.

My rating goes like this:

1. Empire
2. New Hope
3. Revenge of the Sith (Even with the terrible dialogue)
4. Jedi
5. Clones
6. Phantom Menace

Return of the Jedi and Revenge of the Sith can switch rankings from time to time.

And Ill say this.....the Darth Maul-Obi Wan-Qui-gon scene is underrated.

LONGRD

I've never seen any of the series.



...nor do I want to.

Rhinocerous Surprise

Vedd Hedd wrote:

Yeah, I guess I do like Jedi more than I and II.

My rating goes like this:

1. Empire
2. New Hope
3. Revenge of the Sith (Even with the terrible dialogue)
4. Jedi
5. Clones
6. Phantom Menace

Return of the Jedi and Revenge of the Sith can switch rankings from time to time.

And Ill say this.....the Darth Maul-Obi Wan-Qui-gon scene is underrated.

All the prequels had their moments, for sure. I, for one, love the opening sequence of Clones - up until Jango shoots that other bounty hunter. But Empire, as you said, is the pinnacle of the series. Just stone-cold classic all over.

Vedd Hedd

I should add this.....I'm all in favor of George Lucas handing over the reigns to someone else and Episodes 7,8, and 9 being made.

Dont forget, there will be a live action TV series, much like the Terminator-Sarah Connor Chronicles.

And that has led to 3 more terminator movies with Christian Bale as john Connor, so you never know.

Vedd Hedd

Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:

All the prequels had their moments, for sure. I, for one, love the opening sequence of Clones - up until Jango shoots that other bounty hunter. But Empire, as you said, is the pinnacle of the series. Just stone-cold classic all over.

Yeah, I like the opening of that movie....I like the other Jango stuff toward the end, too.

DOSW

Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:

Hehe. The three prequels sully Lucas' name so much... but Episode 4, and the Indy films redeem him. But I do like Jedi far more than any of the prequels, Ewoks and all. Yub yub!

Spielberg directed the Indy films. Lucas was just the co-creator.

Pretty much the only good movie Lucas ever directed was A New Hope...

LikeAnOcean

DOSW wrote:

Spielberg directed the Indy films. Lucas was just the co-creator.

Pretty much the only good movie Lucas ever directed was A New Hope...

American Graffiti was good too.

Rhinocerous Surprise

DOSW wrote:

Spielberg directed the Indy films. Lucas was just the co-creator.

Pretty much the only good movie Lucas ever directed was A New Hope...

Oh, I know - Indy was named after George's dog and all that. I'm a nerd, guy!

But you have to give him credit for the stories he gave to the world - he really brought back a great sense of innocent adventure to the cinema.

catefrances

DOSW wrote:

Spielberg directed the Indy films. Lucas was just the co-creator.

Pretty much the only good movie Lucas ever directed was A New Hope...

you underestimate lucas's talent and influence when you pass him off merely as a co creator. spielberg did defer to lucas on more than one occasion and has admitted that it was the right thing to do.
perhaps lucas's strength is not directing, or dialogue for that matter, but behind the scenes his worth can never be devalued or underestimated. sometimes editting can make or break a movie, let alone a particular scene.

Rhinocerous Surprise

catefrances wrote:

you underestimate lucas's talent and influence when you pass him off merely as a co creator. spielberg did defer to lucas on more than one occasion and has admitted that it was the right thing to do.
perhaps lucas's strength is not directing, or dialogue for that matter, but behind the scenes his worth can never be devalued or underestimated. sometimes editting can make or break a movie, let alone a particular scene.

Exactly - he had help with the dialogue in Episode 4, but he also created the franchise, directed the movie, had enough sense to realise Episode 4 was the most marketable, and so on. Irvin Kershner and Lawrence Kasdan may have created a classic with Empire, but it was George's universe they were playing in.

catefrances

Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:

Exactly - he had help with the dialogue in Episode 4, but he also created the franchise, directed the movie, had enough sense to realise Episode 4 was the most marketable, and so on. Irvin Kershner and Lawrence Kasdan may have created a classic with Empire, but it was George's universe they were playing in.

he had help with the dialogue in ep4? yikes! oh i guess it wasnt that bad and besides i was only 12 at the time. looks as if luke got his whining gene from his da. have to admit though, my favourite george lucas film wasn't directed by him.

Rhinocerous Surprise

catefrances wrote:

he had help with the dialogue in ep4? yikes! oh i guess it wasnt that bad and besides i was only 12 at the time. looks as if luke got his whining gene from his da. have to admit though, my favourite george lucas film wasn't directed by him.

Yeah, I remember reading that after Harrison Ford said "You can type this shit, George, but you sure as hell can't say it!", George called in some help.:p That scene on the Death Star where Luke's trying to convince Han to help rescue Leia wasn't George's writing at all. (Far too natural.:D)

catefrances

Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:

Yeah, I remember reading that after Harrison Ford said "You can type this shit, George, but you sure as hell can't say it!", George called in some help.:p That scene on the Death Star where Luke's trying to convince Han to help rescue Leia wasn't George's writing at all. (Far too natural.:D)

she's rich

man he should have called me in during revenge of the jedi cause i pull muscles cringing at some of the shite having to be spoken in that one.

Rhinocerous Surprise

catefrances wrote:

she's rich

man he should have called me in during revenge of the jedi cause i pull muscles cringing at some of the shite having to be spoken in that one.

You just know if George had written that scene, it'd be:

INT. Death Star

Han: No, Luke. I refuse to help you rescue said princess. I do this because I am selfish and out for personal gain only.

Luke: But Han, you must help me save her! Have you no conscience? Did your mother not teach you right from wrong?

Han: My mother was a darling woman.

Luke: I never knew my mother. Or my father.

Han: Think that's of some galactic significance?

Luke: *looks wistful*

catefrances

Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:

You just know if George had written that scene, it'd be:

INT. Death Star

Han: No, Luke. I refuse to help you rescue said princess. I do this because I am selfish and out for personal gain only.

Luke: But Han, you must help me save her! Have you no conscience? Did your mother not teach you right from wrong?

Han: My mother was a darling woman.

Luke: I never knew my mother. Or my father.

Han: Think that's of some galactic significance?

Luke: *looks wistful*

C3PO:agitated master luke you must come... its the princess

han rolls his eyes. luke glances at han and shakes his head. he turns his attention to the droid.

luke: the princess! luke looks at han who is mostly ignoring them. what is it? where is she? is she okay C3PO?

C3PO: im sorry master i can't help but notice something appears to be wrong

luke: oh its just han. he refuses to help save the princess.

C3PO: i dont quite understand humans master luke.

luke: C3PO! the princess??


C3PO: oh yes yes master luke i forgot....

han: who was listening cause afterall luke and the droid were talking about him. i have no conscience except that which can be bought. He claps his hand on luke's shoulder how much you got kid?

han grins and luke cant help but smile.

luke: i knew you'd help.

han: whatever. just dont get cocky on me. (oh yes i know i just ripped off lucas)

C3PO shuffles away followed by han and luke.