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  • rebornFixerrebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    I have always felt that sane people with no criminal history should be allowed to own guns for self-defense. I am behind the idea of restrictions that actually save lives by preventing accidents and/or reducing the access of criminals to firearms ... But I believe in the basic right to bear arms. Truthfully, wolf, I don't think you'll need them anytime soon.
  • AnonAnon Posts: 11,175
    69charger wrote:
    Thank Jeebus you live in Scotland.

    I love my country and my right to own firearms! I am going to buy a gun this Friday in your honor. I'm not kidding. http://www.shootingusa.com/TV_SCHEDULE/SHOW_27-14/23.S_W_M_P_.45L.jpg I'll have it by Sunday afternoon!

    Thanks for inspiring me! ;)
    Honestly, and with all due respect, you sound immature and childish in this post. I really don't know why you feel the need to be all whooooo hoooo i'm getting a gun. The people that i do know that have them, certainly don't go around advertising the fact. Kinda defeats the purpose doesn't it.

    But if it makes you feel better to beat your chest and proclaim to the world you are buying a gun.....go ahead.
  • spongersponger Posts: 3,159
    Pj_Gurl wrote:
    Honestly, and with all due respect, you sound immature and childish in this post. I really don't know why you feel the need to be all whooooo hoooo i'm getting a gun. The people that i do know that have them, certainly don't go around advertising the fact. Kinda defeats the purpose doesn't it.

    But if it makes you feel better to beat your chest and proclaim to the world you are buying a gun.....go ahead.

    In all fairness, I don't believe that his intent was to advertise his gun ownership so much as to speak in defiance of Dunkman's persistent opposition.

    69Charger felt obligated to declare his state of independence, so to speak. It essentially amounted to a last-ditch, desperate effort to prove the futility of dunkman's views, no matter how well-constucted and insightful those views may be.

    And to that end, 69charger certainly does make a valid point, which is that the sword is mightier than the pen.
  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    sponger wrote:
    In all fairness, I don't believe that his intent was to advertise his gun ownership so much as to speak in defiance of Dunkman's persistent opposition.

    69Charger felt obligated to declare his state of independence, so to speak. It essentially amounted to a last-ditch, desperate effort to prove the futility of dunkman's views, no matter how well-constucted and insightful those views may be.

    And to that end, 69charger certainly does make a valid point, which is that the sword is mightier than the pen.


    my views arent futile... US citizens slaughter 30,000 of each other and themselves every year with a gun.. and all this so you have the right to bear arms to form a miltia against your own government... which in 200 years has never happened. If you think 30,000 people dying each year is a good enough reason to believe in a right granted 300 years ago then good for you... it was written in a different time, a whole different era of life and politics and governance... America was a new nation and you were dealing with cattle rustlers, restless natives, etc etc... so perhaps a gun was needed, but now? unless you need to shoot snakes or coyotes then i see no point whatsoever.

    and the forming of a miltia makes me laugh... even during the race riots of the 60s in which the US government was killing students in Universities... i still didnt see that militia?? bunch of loud mouth pussies so they were... all those guys with guns and yet they could have done something about it... but they are just big mouths who talk the talk but wont do shit when it comes down to it.

    All those people who go on about the 'forming a miltia'.. i bet that if it came down to it the vast majority of them would do absolutely fucking nothing... :D
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • spongersponger Posts: 3,159
    dunkman wrote:

    All those people who go on about the 'forming a miltia'.. i bet that if it came down to it the vast majority of them would do absolutely fucking nothing... :D

    First of all, do you really think it's a great big coincidence that police attitudes towards demonstrations have considerably changed?

    At that point in time, I don't think it was a secret to anybody such types of violence towards protesters would cease with enough pressure on the powers that be.

    Not to mention, a majority of Americans identified the peace movement with hippie counter-culturalism. So, it's not like society within the US was being held hostage.

    So, it's really pointless to use the Kent State violence as an example of the failure of Americans to react with violence when violence would've been a more viable solution than further protesting.

    But, I find your above comment the most delusional and self-deceptive of all. The reason being is you just haven't seen with your own eyes American society to a great extent, if at all. If you had, then you'd know there is a never-ending supply of American males young and old who yearn to kill in the name of their individual rights. It's a deeply ingrained mindset that you either refuse to acknowledge, or just don't quite understand. And I don't say that with a sense of pride as one might think.

    Rather, I say with a sense of quiet reproach that long-standing American cultural beliefs dictate that our existence is based entirely on our ability to kill with little regard for our lives, as such an act of selflessness is what defines the very ideals by which we live, and by which we can expect our future generations to live.

    Therefore, knowing what I know and saying what I have just said, I can't help but draw the conclusion that your doubts about the convictions of our so-called "militia" are merely a reflection of your own attitudes towards violence even while living under the thumb of oppression.
  • 69charger69charger Posts: 1,045
    dunkman wrote:
    my views arent futile... US citizens slaughter 30,000 of each other and themselves every year with a gun.. and all this so you have the right to bear arms to form a miltia against your own government... which in 200 years has never happened. If you think 30,000 people dying each year is a good enough reason to believe in a right granted 300 years ago then good for you... it was written in a different time, a whole different era of life and politics and governance... America was a new nation and you were dealing with cattle rustlers, restless natives, etc etc... so perhaps a gun was needed, but now? unless you need to shoot snakes or coyotes then i see no point whatsoever.

    and the forming of a miltia makes me laugh... even during the race riots of the 60s in which the US government was killing students in Universities... i still didnt see that militia?? bunch of loud mouth pussies so they were... all those guys with guns and yet they could have done something about it... but they are just big mouths who talk the talk but wont do shit when it comes down to it.

    All those people who go on about the 'forming a miltia'.. i bet that if it came down to it the vast majority of them would do absolutely fucking nothing... :D

    You're 30,000 figure is about 15,000 too high. Half of the 30,000 are suicides. So 15,000 deaths vs. 1.5million+ times a year guns are used to defend against attack? Yeah, let's just ignore that fact.
  • 69charger69charger Posts: 1,045
    Pj_Gurl wrote:
    Honestly, and with all due respect, you sound immature and childish in this post. I really don't know why you feel the need to be all whooooo hoooo i'm getting a gun. The people that i do know that have them, certainly don't go around advertising the fact. Kinda defeats the purpose doesn't it.

    But if it makes you feel better to beat your chest and proclaim to the world you are buying a gun.....go ahead.

    Wrong. It's the same reason I bought an AK47 knock off a month after the "assualt weapons" ban expired...

    Some asshat told me I shouldn't for their own illogical reasons.

    Spite is a great motivator! :)
  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    sponger wrote:
    But, I find your above comment the most delusional and self-deceptive of all. The reason being is you just haven't seen with your own eyes American society to a great extent, if at all. If you had, then you'd know there is a never-ending supply of American males young and old who yearn to kill in the name of their individual rights. It's a deeply ingrained mindset that you either refuse to acknowledge, or just don't quite understand. And I don't say that with a sense of pride as one might think.

    who yearn to kill? sounds like something a spokesman for a suicide bombing terror group would say. but those people are bad as they yearn to kill americans/british. but killing your own people... well thats good!! yearning to kill your own soldiers, countrymen would appear to be a positive trait. its no wonder recruitment figures for the forces are down... they are scared they might be killed by their own citizens most likely.

    sponger wrote:
    Rather, I say with a sense of quiet reproach that long-standing American cultural beliefs dictate that our existence is based entirely on our ability to kill with little regard for our lives, as such an act of selflessness is what defines the very ideals by which we live, and by which we can expect our future generations to live.

    Therefore, knowing what I know and saying what I have just said, I can't help but draw the conclusion that your doubts about the convictions of our so-called "militia" are merely a reflection of your own attitudes towards violence even while living under the thumb of oppression.

    i dont live under the thumb of oppression, which shows me you know nothing of the country i live in, and my own attitude towards violence would probably surprise you. However, i see something wrong with the fact that 30,000 people die each year in your country as a result of a gun... thats wrong... 4 kids under the age of 15 die per day because of a handgun, mostly through accident or suicide... thats wrong.
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    69charger wrote:
    You're 30,000 figure is about 15,000 too high. Half of the 30,000 are suicides. So 15,000 deaths vs. 1.5million+ times a year guns are used to defend against attack? Yeah, let's just ignore that fact.

    i'm counting the suicides... they were carried out via the use of a gun... its still a gun related death.

    1.5million times is totally subjective and unquantifiable... and defend against what? some other idiot with a gun... see the cyclic nature of that? man attacks someone with a gun, he then uses gun to defend against that attack and so you count that as a statistic to advocate 'the use of a gun' against attack? ... :confused: ... if the idiot didnt have a gun in the first place then it wouldnt matter. be like claiming 14,000 rolling pins were used to defend against attack.. 20.8billion fists were used to defend against attack... big deal.
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    69charger wrote:
    Yeah, let's just ignore that fact.


    facts?


    Gun deaths per 100,000 population (for the year indicated):
    .......................Homicide.......Suicide.........Other (inc Accident)

    USA (2001)........3.98..............5.92...........0.36
    Italy (1997)........0.81..............1.1............0.07
    Switzerland (98)...0.50............5.8.............0.10
    Canada (2002)......0.4..............2.0............0.04
    Finland (2003)......0.35.............4.45..........0.10
    Australia (2001)....0.24............1.34...........0.10
    France (2001........0.21.............3.4............0.49
    England/Wales .....0.15..............0.2...........0.03
    Scotland (2002)....0.06.............0.2............0.02
    Japan (2002)........0.02.............0.04............0
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • 69charger69charger Posts: 1,045
    dunkman wrote:
    i'm counting the suicides... they were carried out via the use of a gun... its still a gun related death.

    1.5million times is totally subjective and unquantifiable... and defend against what? some other idiot with a gun... see the cyclic nature of that? man attacks someone with a gun, he then uses gun to defend against that attack and so you count that as a statistic to advocate 'the use of a gun' against attack? ... :confused: ... if the idiot didnt have a gun in the first place then it wouldnt matter. be like claiming 14,000 rolling pins were used to defend against attack.. 20.8billion fists were used to defend against attack... big deal.

    Guns are not going away so why do you keep bothering?! 1.5 million is both quantifiable, verifiable, and a statistic generated by the anti-gun Clinton administration.

    Must suck to be subjegated. We no longer know what that's like.

    Thanks to the gun and our willingness to use it ;)
  • 69charger69charger Posts: 1,045
    dunkman wrote:
    facts?


    Gun deaths per 100,000 population (for the year indicated):
    .......................Homicide.......Suicide.........Other (inc Accident)

    USA (2001)........3.98..............5.92...........0.36
    Italy (1997)........0.81..............1.1............0.07
    Switzerland (98)...0.50............5.8.............0.10
    Canada (2002)......0.4..............2.0............0.04
    Finland (2003)......0.35.............4.45..........0.10
    Australia (2001)....0.24............1.34...........0.10
    France (2001........0.21.............3.4............0.49
    England/Wales .....0.15..............0.2...........0.03
    Scotland (2002)....0.06.............0.2............0.02
    Japan (2002)........0.02.............0.04............0

    We win again!!! Is there nothing in this world we aren't better at than the rest of the world?! I mean SERIOUSLY, why does everyone else suck so much? I mean we are leading this by a lot!!

    America. FUCK YEAH!!!

    :D
  • AnonAnon Posts: 11,175
    69charger wrote:
    Wrong. It's the same reason I bought an AK47 knock off a month after the "assualt weapons" ban expired...

    Some asshat told me I shouldn't for their own illogical reasons.

    Spite is a great motivator! :)
    A AK47 knock off?
    http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x119/xofferson/hellokittyAR15.jpg
  • 69charger69charger Posts: 1,045
    Pj_Gurl wrote:

    That's an AR-15 my dear! AK-47's look like this http://www.craphound.com/images/hellokittyak47.jpg

    :)

    See you learned something!
  • 69charger69charger Posts: 1,045
    dunkman wrote:
    facts?


    Gun deaths per 100,000 population (for the year indicated):
    .......................Homicide.......Suicide.........Other (inc Accident)

    USA (2001)........3.98..............5.92...........0.36
    Italy (1997)........0.81..............1.1............0.07
    Switzerland (98)...0.50............5.8.............0.10
    Canada (2002)......0.4..............2.0............0.04
    Finland (2003)......0.35.............4.45..........0.10
    Australia (2001)....0.24............1.34...........0.10
    France (2001........0.21.............3.4............0.49
    England/Wales .....0.15..............0.2...........0.03
    Scotland (2002)....0.06.............0.2............0.02
    Japan (2002)........0.02.............0.04............0

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article568214.ece

    Scotland tops list of world's most violent countries

    A UNITED Nations report has labelled Scotland the most violent country in the developed world, with people three times more likely to be assaulted than in America.

    WTF is up with that? No WONDER they banned guns in Scotland. You people are nuts!
  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    69charger wrote:

    Must suck to be subjegated. We no longer know what that's like.

    Thanks to the gun and our willingness to use it ;)


    you are more subjugated than me, my government has no patriot act, it has a freer media, i get free healthcare and education ... and i dont need a gun... cos i'm not scared.. you are more subjugated in that you feel the need to own a gun in case your government attacks you... that makes you subservient.
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • AnonAnon Posts: 11,175
    69charger wrote:
    We win again!!! Is there nothing in this world we aren't better at than the rest of the world?! I mean SERIOUSLY, why does everyone else suck so much? I mean we are leading this by a lot!!

    America. FUCK YEAH!!!

    :D
    I don't think you have any clue what an absolute twat you are making yourself look like.

    Dunkman, you're wasting your time. A lot of the people posting here are on the same page as you, and can see where you are coming from. The funny thing is, i get that you are not advocating that all guns should be banned. All you are saying is it would be a start if they could acknowledge that too many people die from gunshot wounds and there is a problem. It's not rocket science that what you are saying is true.

    You will never be able to debate logically with someone who admits to buying guns for spite.
  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    69charger wrote:
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article568214.ece

    Scotland tops list of world's most violent countries

    A UNITED Nations report has labelled Scotland the most violent country in the developed world, with people three times more likely to be assaulted than in America.

    WTF is up with that? No WONDER they banned guns in Scotland. You people are nuts!


    i know this... we are violent people. if you yankee pussies didnt have your guns and it was one on one.. we'd fuck you up every time... but we dont need guns, we're crazy enough.. and we'd fuck you up wearing skirts... thats how hard we are ;):D


    and i'd rather have a 3 times more chance of being assaulted than a 15 times more chance of being shot in the face.


    but i acknowledge the violence problem in Scotland... oops more facts coming...

    The United States has the highest male teen homicide rate in the industrialized world (23.0 per 100,00 among males aged 15 to 19 in 1996).31 A 1997 study that compared firearm death rates in 26 industrialized countries among children less than 15 years old found that the firearms homicide rate among U.S. children was nearly 16 times higher than the rate among children in the other 25 industrialized countries combined.32 In 1996 the rate of firearms homicide was highest among males aged 20 to 24 (30.3 per 100,0000)—more than five times the firearms homicide rate for all Americans (6.0 per 100,000).33
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    69charger wrote:
    We win again!!! Is there nothing in this world we aren't better at than the rest of the world?!

    staying alive?

    its funny how many people die by accident... "duh, whats this black thing that looks like a gun? i've seen it movies... if i point this thing at my face and pull this little metal thing i wonder what'll happen?... *BANG*"

    a nation of Forrest Gumps. ;):D


    lock the fucking things away.
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • AnonAnon Posts: 11,175
    69charger wrote:
    That's an AR-15 my dear! AK-47's look like this http://www.craphound.com/images/hellokittyak47.jpg

    :)

    See you learned something!
    i learned you think you're rhett butler. good luck with that.
  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    Pj_Gurl wrote:
    I don't think you have any clue what an absolute twat you are making yourself look like.

    Dunkman, you're wasting your time. A lot of the people posting here are on the same page as you, and can see where you are coming from. The funny thing is, i get that you are not advocating that all guns should be banned. All you are saying is it would be a start if they could acknowledge that too many people die from gunshot wounds and there is a problem. It's not rocket science that what you are saying is true.

    You will never be able to debate logically with someone who admits to buying guns for spite.


    i know... its now reached the lets insult each other stage.

    although i have to confess i'm both Scottish and World Insult Champion ;):D
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • 69charger69charger Posts: 1,045
    dunkman wrote:
    i know this... we are violent people. if you yankee pussies didnt have your guns and it was one on one.. we'd fuck you up every time... but we dont need guns, we're crazy enough.. and we'd fuck you up wearing skirts... thats how hard we are ;):D

    Bring it. ;)
    but i acknowledge the violence problem in Scotland

    And I acknowledge there is a violence problem in the US.
    The United States has the highest male teen homicide rate in the industrialized world (23.0 per 100,00 among males aged 15 to 19 in 1996).31 A 1997 study that compared firearm death rates in 26 industrialized countries among children less than 15 years old found that the firearms homicide rate among U.S. children was nearly 16 times higher than the rate among children in the other 25 industrialized countries combined.32 In 1996 the rate of firearms homicide was highest among males aged 20 to 24 (30.3 per 100,0000)—more than five times the firearms homicide rate for all Americans (6.0 per 100,000).33

    Ain't nothin' but a G thang! Literally.
  • 69charger69charger Posts: 1,045
    Pj_Gurl wrote:
    i learned you think you're rhett butler. good luck with that.

    Not really I'm more of an electric guitar fan myself.

    http://www.rhettbutler.org/

    :p
  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    dunkman wrote:
    you are more subjugated than me, my government has no patriot act, it has a freer media, i get free healthcare and education ... and i dont need a gun... cos i'm not scared.. you are more subjugated in that you feel the need to own a gun in case your government attacks you... that makes you subservient.


    I admit I have not read every page of this but I wonder if Scotland has the crime of the States.

    Personally I'd live in Russia unarmed, before I would live in the States unarmed. I'm not sure of the demographics of Scotland but in Illinois they are already seeing members of MS-13 around. We really don't have any control over anyone except the people that obey the laws. I'm also not going to wait for the cops to show up if I had to call them. I'd have a better chance on getting a pizza faster.
  • 69charger69charger Posts: 1,045
    Pj_Gurl wrote:
    I don't think you have any clue what an absolute twat you are making yourself look like.

    God forbid I make myself look like a twat to a bunch of socialists on the internets! TEH OH NOES!1!!
  • 69charger69charger Posts: 1,045
    unsung wrote:
    I admit I have not read every page of this but I wonder if Scotland has the crime of the States.

    Yeah they do...

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...icle568214.ece

    Scotland tops list of world's most violent countries

    A UNITED Nations report has labelled Scotland the most violent country in the developed world, with people three times more likely to be assaulted than in America.
  • 69charger69charger Posts: 1,045
    dunkman wrote:
    you are more subjugated than me, my government has no patriot act, it has a freer media, i get free healthcare and education ... and i dont need a gun... cos i'm not scared.. you are more subjugated in that you feel the need to own a gun in case your government attacks you... that makes you subservient.

    When you say this out loud do you sound like Davy Jones from Pirates of the Carribean? If so, that rocks!
  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    unsung wrote:
    I admit I have not read every page of this but I wonder if Scotland has the crime of the States.

    Personally I'd live in Russia unarmed, before I would live in the States unarmed.


    in 2006/7 from a population of 6 million Scotland had 8 Homicides from firearms which comprised of:-

    1 Shotgun death
    1 Handgun
    5 Other inc. Rifle and Unidentified
    1 Airgun


    England and Wales have a pop. of about 60million and they had 59 total homicides in 2006/07.
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    69charger wrote:
    Yeah they do...

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...icle568214.ece

    Scotland tops list of world's most violent countries

    A UNITED Nations report has labelled Scotland the most violent country in the developed world, with people three times more likely to be assaulted than in America.



    The study, based on telephone interviews with victims of crime in 21 countries

    hardly a conclusive study... phoning up people. :rolleyes:
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • AnonAnon Posts: 11,175
    69charger wrote:
    Not really I'm more of an electric guitar fan myself.

    http://www.rhettbutler.org/

    :p
    do you play? i never see you post on the musicians and gear forum. that's mainly where i post when i don't get sucked into threads like these...

    if you do play, i bet your pedal board looks like this. ;)
    http://www.premierguitar.com/Stream/StreamImage.aspx?Image_ID=53DC03FA-E606-443D-8ACE-82E778D831AF&Image_Type=image
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