gun question.

Jeanie

nothinghead wrote:

I think I understand the sentiment being expressed. I've considered purchasing a firearm in the past for personal protection, but I've never been able to convince myself that it is fully necessary. It's a topic I have spent some time rolling around in my head, and one I don't think I have fully come to my own conclusion on.

I don't really see martial law being declared as a result of economic down turn. Especially not country wide. And even still, if there's mass looting...might as well steal some firearms first. No sense in paying for them before hand right?

Good thinking 99!

Anon

the wolf wrote:

how many people are scared enough about whats going on in the world, and the U.S. right now with the market, the election and all to buy a gun?

You know, i was more worried about the USA being happy to sell the Saudi's (and their allies) 20 billion worth of weapons. Backing the Saudis is one thing. Selling them billions in high explosives and rocket delivery systems is quite another. Especially since Saudi has failed to support the USA in Iraq - and it's failed singularly to combat terrorism within its own borders.

I know these people are Islamic extremists, unstable personally and nationally, and would sooner anihilate the West than look at it. I would not have been surprised, if in years to come, the guns we're selling the Saudis are trained away from Iran, and towards us. Just as the guns we sold Saddam turned against us, when Iran became old-hat. Just as the training we gave Osama was used against us, just as soon as the Soviets became old news.

So now my biggest worry might be getting shot by one of my fellow countrymen? Great.

I will not be buying a gun. And isn't it beautiful that we still have a choice where we can say, no thanks, i don't want to live like that. But feel free if it makes you feel safer.

I saw ten thousand talkers whose tongues were all broken,
I saw guns and sharp swords in the hands of young children,
And it's a hard, and it's a hard, it's a hard, it's a hard,
And it's a hard rain's a-gonna fall.

OffHeGoes29

You are no safer now then you where five years ago. If you're going to buy a weapon for the home only, get a cheap shot gun. A shot gun is good for a couple of reasons. For one, the shot won't go through walls. Two, it doesn't take a marksmen to hit someone at close range. Three, they are cheap and easy to get compared to a 500$ handgun that takes a lot more red tape to get. JUST BE RESPONSIBLE AND LOCK YOUR WEAPON, AND HIDE IT FROM YOUR KIDS. Because God Knows its a matter of time before they outlaw weapons here.

All in all, I wouldn't let yourself get all worked up over todays problems. You'll be fine.

the wolf

maybe im coming off wrong here. i'm not saying i think the martial law is a done deal here. not because of the market. but lets face it, with some of the "nut job" bills that have been passed through the Bush admin. some crazy shit could happen if "something" major went down in the country.
for the most part, we are one really bad day away from martial law being declared in the U.S. and there are many top political analysts that have gone on record saying that. and im not talking the conspiracy gang either.

heaven forbid, another attack on this country, or some loon takes a shot a McCain or Obama. or hell, even a pretty significant natural disaster. i'm pretty sure if any of the above took place, we would be under ML.

i live in a pretty diverse part of Cincinnait, Ohio. but its also diverse to the extreme. lots of minorites all around me, and also lots of very very racist people around me. the last time a cop shot and killed a black kid here, we had riots, that got really close to my house, and we were put under a curfew.
im just thinking how things got around my neck of the woods for that, so i cant imagine what it would be like if something "world changing" happened, and ML was declared.

anyway, it was just a discussion. i'm not in favor of guns, but have grown up around them, and have always had a great respect for guns. i learned how to handle them at a very early age, i have just made the choice to not own one. until now i have never felt the need to own one, and im still not sure i need to own one. but the thought has crossed my mind.

im still holding out for peace and love. hence the sig.

know1

the wolf wrote:

this came up between a few friends and myself this past weekend.


how many people are scared enough about whats going on in the world, and the U.S. right now with the market, the election and all to buy a gun?

it came up because the guys at the table next to us , one said he has always been against guns and all that , but was buying a few guns for protection because he thought the country was going to go to shit soon.

just got me thinking.

Not me. I'm against murder and I'd rather die for my beliefs than live and violate them.

69charger

sponger wrote:

My pops is special ops and has a serious fucking arsenal. I was thinking of calling him and asking him to lend me out some hardware.

Does he live in CA too? If so he has a fairly tame arsenal.

meme

dunkman wrote:

nope.. i fail to see the correlation between 300 old fuckers losing billions of dollars worth of shares and the need to buy a gun

Thanks to this country's blind trust in business and distrust in government, many old people's only income comes from the financial market. And so does home financing. So those 300 old fuckers have managed to bring millions of people down.

Now, to the original poster... I fail to see how a gun could keep you safe in the kind of environment you fear. Surely you wouldn't be the only one to have it?
I happen to think this is the time for ballots, not bullets, to do their work.

69charger

OffHeGoes29 wrote:

BE RESPONSIBLE AND LOCK YOUR WEAPON, AND HIDE IT FROM YOUR KIDS.

Both are horrible suggestions. What good is a gun for self defense if it is locked away. The worst thing you can do is to "hide" a gun away from kids. Educate them on how to safely use firearms and instill an absolute respect for what they are capable of. We take our kids to the gun range and let them shoot. They have lost all curiosity regarding firearms and understand that we'll take them to the range when they ask. My goal is to even teach them basic gunsmithing skills so they become even more educated.

You go ahead though and see what comes of "forbidden fruit".

Good Times!

69charger

the wolf wrote:

this came up between a few friends and myself this past weekend.


how many people are scared enough about whats going on in the world, and the U.S. right now with the market, the election and all to buy a gun?

it came up because the guys at the table next to us , one said he has always been against guns and all that , but was buying a few guns for protection because he thought the country was going to go to shit soon.

just got me thinking.

The real reason to buy a gun now is that, if elected, Obama and his libtard buddies are ready to evicerate your Second Amendment Rights.

That's why you should buy a gun now. Bury it in your yard if you have to.

Collin

I don't think a gun would guarantee more safety.

eyedclaar

know1 wrote:

Not me. I'm against murder and I'd rather die for my beliefs than live and violate them.

In your philosophy, does killing a human always amount to murder? Even if the person you shot was raping your wife or harming your children? Would that be murder?

eyedclaar

Collin wrote:

I don't think a gun would garantue more safety.

For a lot of people, owning a gun just places them in more danger.

blackredyellow

nothinghead wrote:

I think I understand the sentiment being expressed. I've considered purchasing a firearm in the past for personal protection, but I've never been able to convince myself that it is fully necessary. It's a topic I have spent some time rolling around in my head, and one I don't think I have fully come to my own conclusion on.

I grew up hunting (haven't done it in like 15 years), so guns were never a foreign thing to me. About 10 years ago when I got out of college and was living on my own in a city, I bought a handgun for piece of mind. Now married with a family, I am sort of glad that I have it. I'm not thinking a marshal law or "Red Dawn" thing is going to happen, and it's locked away and I haven't seen it for a long time, but I know that it's there.

blackredyellow

69charger wrote:

The real reason to buy a gun now is that, if elected, Obama and his libtard buddies are ready to evicerate your Second Amendment Rights.

That's why you should buy a gun now. Bury it in your yard if you have to.

Gimme a break with the dramatics... No one is taking away the second amendment.

Strangest Tribe

It doesn't hurt to have a gun, just learn how to use it and become comfortable with it. If you have children be responsible.
You may never have to use one and that's fine. Not too many people actually want to have to use a gun on another human being.

dunkman

69charger wrote:

The worst thing you can do is to "hide" a gun away from kids.

really? cos in the US alone 4 kids die per day as a result of playing with their daddy's penis... sorry i mean gun.... I say paint them yellow and put them into fruit bowls next to the bananas.. have a wee game with the kids of 'guess which one is the gun?', if they're going to shoot each other they may as well have a game out of it.

'the worst thing you can do'... hmmmm surely the worst thing you can do is leave the gun next to the TV, make them play Grand Theft Auto for 12 hours straight, watch all 3 Rambo movies back to back, give them 4 litres of Red Bull, turn them around 16 times and then point them gun and say 'hey remember that jock at school who gave you a wedgie... go find!!!' I fear that would be worse.

I took my kids up the forest last Sunday, and showed them where fish live, trees grow, had a play on the death slide, ran around in the trees and played some games... you take yours to a gun range? to show them how to kill?

its really no wonder the worlds fucked.. i'm surprised its only 4 kids a day who die..

nuffingman

Am I right in thinking that some of you think that the minute there's a financial crisis the answer is to buy a gun?

I think it's fuckin' scary that America is such a powerful nation.

know1

eyedclaar wrote:

In your philosophy, does killing a human always amount to murder? Even if the person you shot was raping your wife or harming your children? Would that be murder?

Probably not always, but I'd rather err on the side of not killing someone.

nothinghead

nuffingman wrote:

Am I right in thinking that some of you think that the minute there's a financial crisis the answer is to buy a gun?

I think it's fuckin' scary that America is such a powerful nation.

No, I think it's more of a the minute the government takes extensive measures to control a population prone to over reaction and occasional poor judgment the answer might be to buy a gun.

surely, someone who would lament Americans wanting to own guns would also lament the pitiful job the American government does in times of crisis, yes?

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QuestionAuthority wrote:

No.. I will not be buying a gun.. the thought NEVER has entered my mind.

what exactly do you feel a gun is going to protect you from?

Do you honestly think it is going to come to that? And for that matter.. you are going to shoot someone if they.. what.. steal your box of Fruit Loops?

Sorry.. I would rather die than live in a world like that. Just me and my opinion.

QuestionAuthority wrote:

Sorry, like I said before.. if that was the world we lived in ~ go ahead kill me.. would rather not be alive than have to decide between a bologna sandwich and the life of another human.

+1

I used to own a gun for protection. Then one day I remembered, "Oh, wait, I don't ever want to kill anyone" and I got rid of it.