The Great Derangement: If Cheney & Co. Had Really Plotted the 9/11 Attacks ...

mammasan

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

It's more like he wouldn't have to if people didn't have cement of the brain.

Let me ask you something, what makes you believe that you know better than the rest of us. You are so full of yourself it's fucking hilarious. You think you know more than everyone here, especially those that disagree with you and yet you are probably one of the most misinformed individuals I have ever had the misfortune of wasting my time on.

The Waiting Trophy Man

mammasan wrote:

Yes and JFK pulled the plug because of the risk involved. He realized that if word ever leaked it would mean the death penalty for high treason.

Yes, however it goes to show that it is not beyond the U.S. government/military to stage a fake terrorist attack on their own citizens in order to wage war on another country. Again, this was almost 50 years ago. Suddenly a 9/11 conspiracy doesn't seem so far fetched.

mammasan

Eddie Better wrote:

Yes, however it goes to show that it is not beyond the U.S. government/military to stage a fake attack on their own citizens in order to wage war on another country. Again, this was almost 50 years ago. Suddenly a 9/11 conspiracy doesn't seem so far fetched.

I never stated that it was beyond our government to do such a thing. If you look at the attack and what these 9/11 Truthers are saying transpired it is absolutely lunacy considering that the ends could have been easily achieved through far less complex and risk-ridden plans. How much easier would it have been to just plant some back packs with explosives in the NYC subway or plant some bombs on a couple of US airliners. Such actions would only take the cooperation of a few people, not several hundred to a thousand participants. far less risk, far higher degree of success and you would still be able to deceive the public into supporting your foreign policy goals.

So it's not the idea that our government would do something that I disagree with. It's the fact that they would have never even attempted to pull off something like 9/11, as the Truthers would like us to believe, simply because a far less complex operation with far less co-conspirators would have yielded the same results.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

mammasan wrote:

Let me ask you something, what makes you believe that you know better than the rest of us. You are so full of yourself it's fucking hilarious. You think you know more than everyone here, especially those that disagree with you and yet you are probably one of the most misinformed individuals I have ever had the misfortune of wasting my time on.

What if you're wrong and you're only fucking yourself and everyone else around you. Wouldn't that be pretty damn hilarious (and sad) also and indicative of someone so full of themselves.

Take a good look around...and err on the side of caution maybe.

Who are you getting screwed over by more?

RolandTD20Kdrummer

mammasan wrote:

Yes and JFK pulled the plug because of the risk involved. He realized that if word ever leaked it would mean the death penalty for high treason.

Bullets to the brain...

The Waiting Trophy Man

mammasan wrote:

I never stated that it was beyond our government to do such a thing. If you look at the attack and what these 9/11 Truthers are saying transpired it is absolutely lunacy considering that the ends could have been easily achieved through far less complex and risk-ridden plans. How much easier would it have been to just plant some back packs with explosives in the NYC subway or plant some bombs on a couple of US airliners. Such actions would only take the cooperation of a few people, not several hundred to a thousand participants. far less risk, far higher degree of success and you would still be able to deceive the public into supporting your foreign policy goals.

So it's not the idea that our government would do something that I disagree with. It's the fact that they would have never even attempted to pull off something like 9/11, as the Truthers would like us to believe, simply because a far less complex operation with far less co-conspirators would have yielded the same results.

I understand what you are saying. But again, take a look at Operation Northwoods. That was an actual plan drafted by the department of defense and the joint cheifs of staff. It involved a hell of a lot of people and was extremely complex. However, this didn't stop them from trying to get approval for the operation from JFK. They obviously thought they could pull it off, even with all those people involved.

And maybe the genius of 9/11 is that it was so complex and high-risk, that people simply can't believe that it was anything other than a terrorist attack orchestrated by Al Qaeda. If Operation Northwoods had been approved and succeeded, it would have been hard for anyone, especially in those days, to believe it was anything other than an attack by Cuba.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Some like to pick and choose their govt corruption angles like changing channels on a TV.

Kinda like watching teletubbies over c-span.

The Waiting Trophy Man

It really is shocking to read. Wow.....

"Operation Northwoods, which had the written approval of the Chairman and every member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, called for innocent people to be shot on American streets; for boats carrying refugees fleeing Cuba to be sunk on the high seas; for a wave of violent terrorism to be launched in Washington, D.C., Miami, and elsewhere. People would be framed for bombings they did not commit; planes would be hijacked. Using phony evidence, all of it would be blamed on Castro, thus giving Lemnitzer and his cabal the excuse, as well as the public and international backing, they needed to launch their war."[13]

mammasan

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Some like to pick and choose their govt corruption angles like changing channels on a TV.

Kinda like watching teletubbies over c-span.

And some just have their heads so far up their own ass that they can't smell the shit they are spewing.

mammasan

Eddie Better wrote:

I understand what you are saying. But again, take a look at Operation Northwoods. That was an actual plan drafted by the department of defense and the joint cheifs of staff. It involved a hell of a lot of people and was extremely complex. However, this didn't stop them from trying to get approval for the operation from JFK. They obviously thought they could pull it off, even with all those people involved.

And maybe the genius of 9/11 is that it was so complex and high-risk, that people simply can't believe that it was anything other than a terrorist attack orchestrated by Al Qaeda. If Operation Northwoods had been approved and succeeded, it would have been hard for anyone, especially in those days, to believe it was anything other than an attack by Cuba.

All your points are valid but in that day and age they didn't have e-mails and computers with sensitive information left on them. Just think about how many times a government laptop has gone missing with important information. There is simply too much risk, when a simpler less risky operation would easily yield the same results.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

mammasan wrote:

And some just have their heads so far up their own ass that they can't smell the shit they are spewing.

Sounds like someone is pointing fingers at others while describing themselves.

jeffbr

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Sounds like someone is pointing fingers at others while describing themselves.

Really? I thought he was spot on. Your paranoid rantings are getting tired.

The Waiting Trophy Man

mammasan wrote:

All your points are valid but in that day and age they didn't have e-mails and computers with sensitive information left on them. Just think about how many times a government laptop has gone missing with important information. There is simply too much risk, when a simpler less risky operation would easily yield the same results.

Well I would think they'd be smart enough not to e-mail one another the 9/11 attack plans, lol. These people are crazy, not stupid.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

jeffbr wrote:

Really? I thought he was spot on. Your paranoid rantings are getting tired.

two apples in a basket is all I see.

sweetpotato

http://www.homelandstupidity.us/

the ineptitude of this administration is entertaining, while at the same time downright fucking scary.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

sweetpotato wrote:

http://www.homelandstupidity.us/

the ineptitude of this administration is entertaining, while at the same time downright fucking scary.

It's gotten to the point as though they really don't want to do some things on purpose..

anotherclone

Not to get too far off topic, but is anyone actually reading this book right now? I'm reading it and really loving it.

Ok, back to your debate.

my2hands

i still like the cobra commander/destro reference...


that was one for the ages

sweetpotato

anotherclone wrote:

Not to get too far off topic, but is anyone actually reading this book right now? I'm reading it and really loving it.

Ok, back to your debate.

no, but i do intend to. should be a hoot!

jwillmo

If you want to go for who's benefited the most, then my vote is...



...Lee Greenwood. I say he was behind the attacks. That man has gained more than anyone.

But seriously. You know that guy was in a gutter somwhere looking up at the news as those planes hit going "Sweet! Greenwood is back, baby!"

But superseriously, you truthers are motherfucking bonkers.

And you're not going to get any more of a mature, well articulated response from me. I spent a good month, when I should have been working, on the net reading various pro/con literature and getting into pointless circle-jerk debates, and I'm done. You're fucking insane, and all you do is a)rally the neocons and b)divert attention from the 10,000,000,000,000,000 other acutal atrocities this adminstration has committed and continues to commit.

Although the superdupersimplistic arguments from this Roland character have been pretty amusing. My favorite was that if you believe 9/11 was perpetuated by a bunch of Saudis/Afghans in planes, you have a moral obligation to fight in a Suni/Shi'ite civil war in Iraq. Priceless.

It seems hardly any of the truthers have commented on the original article, which does a pretty good (and humorous) job of drawing out what would have to have happened for their fairtytales to be true. Much like the brilliant South Park episode that does the same (It was the most perfect, brilliant plan ever EVER!)

Seriously, though, I'm done. I've wasted way too many of my precious seconds on this Earth even thinking about this horseshit.