The Great Derangement: If Cheney & Co. Had Really Plotted the 9/11 Attacks ...

mammasan

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

You either believe what you were told about 9/11 or not. You can't have your cake and it eat too in this scenario.

"you are either with us, or you are with the terrorists" is what he told you.

Pick your side. If 9/11 was real, you now have a moral obligation to defend your country.

Support your leader.

You have got to be kidding. OK I will humor you.

Yes 9/11 was real. Yes terrorists did attack us on that day. Yes we need to deal with individuals who would take innocent lives in order to achieve their goals. Yes I do believe that my government did not orchestrate the attacks, but I do believe that my government had enough information prior to the attacks to at least prevent them. What I do not know, but can only assume, is wether my government deliberately failed to act on that information or they simply dropped the ball. Either way they need to be held accountable. I do not believe the government approved version of what happened leading up to and on that day because it fails to hold those responsible for the screw up on our end accountable. I did support our invasion of Afghanistan but disagree with how that invasion was carried out. I also disagree with how we left the operation half done in order to move onto another objective. I do believe that this administration preyed upon the countries vulnerabilities in order to gain support for the invasion of Iraq. I did not, nor do I to this day, support the invasion and subsequent occupation of Iraq. I do not agree with this administration handling of detainees. I do not agree with the administrations attempts to infringe on our liberties. I do not believe that this is a black or white issue. It is a complex issues with many points of view and varying opinions. I do believe that the terrorists attacked us because of our foreign policy. I do not believe that they attacked us for our freedoms. I believe that our government's war on terror is an utter fraud, considering that we ourselves support and harbor terrorists. I do not believe that the war on terror can be won using military might, terrorism is an ideology not a uniformed army. My moral obligation is to be the best person I am not to defend my country, that is what we have a military for. On that note I believe that the biggest threat to our country is our very government. It has sold us to the highest bidder and no hold the interests of corporation over that of it's citizens. We don't need Al Qaida or Osama Bin Laden to destroy this country we have been doing it ourselves for decades.

Nevermind

MakingWaves wrote:

They blew it up with either demolition or lasers from space. No other explanation will make sense to you so why bother answering. Other explanations have been posted over and over on here yet the question still comes up. So it must be demolition or lasers from space as I have seen both of these explanations posted on here.

If you dont believe it was a controlled demolition how was it done?

mammasan

Carlos D wrote:

On that logic,if what you say is true shouldn't you be outside the White House with a gun right now trying to save us all?

Good fucking point. So Roland when are you going to storm the White House?

mammasan

Nevermind wrote:

If you dont believe it was a controlled demolition how was it done?

I don't know maybe the two 110 story building falling next to it could have possibly caused it. I'm no structural engineer but that seems like a pretty damn plausible reason.

Nevermind

mammasan wrote:

I don't know maybe the two 110 story building falling next to it could have possibly caused it. I'm no structural engineer but that seems like a pretty damn plausible reason.

At free fall speed? Why didnt building 5 and 6 collapse too?
http://www.prisonplanet.com/images/august2006/230806wtcplan.jpg

RolandTD20Kdrummer

mammasan wrote:

You have got to be kidding. OK I will humor you.

Yes 9/11 was real. Yes terrorists did attack us on that day. Yes we need to deal with individuals who would take innocent lives in order to achieve their goals. Yes I do believe that my government did not orchestrate the attacks, but I do believe that my government had enough information prior to the attacks to at least prevent them. What I do not know, but can only assume, is wether my government deliberately failed to act on that information or they simply dropped the ball. Either way they need to be held accountable. I do not believe the government approved version of what happened leading up to and on that day because it fails to hold those responsible for the screw up on our end accountable. I did support our invasion of Afghanistan but disagree with how that invasion was carried out. I also disagree with how we left the operation half done in order to move onto another objective. I do believe that this administration preyed upon the countries vulnerabilities in order to gain support for the invasion of Iraq. I did not, nor do I to this day, support the invasion and subsequent occupation of Iraq. I do not agree with this administration handling of detainees. I do not agree with the administrations attempts to infringe on our liberties. I do not believe that this is a black or white issue. It is a complex issues with many points of view and varying opinions. I do believe that the terrorists attacked us because of our foreign policy. I do not believe that they attacked us for our freedoms. I believe that our government's war on terror is an utter fraud, considering that we ourselves support and harbor terrorists. I do not believe that the war on terror can be won using military might, terrorism is an ideology not a uniformed army. My moral obligation is to be the best person I am not to defend my country, that is what we have a military for. On that note I believe that the biggest threat to our country is our very government. It has sold us to the highest bidder and no hold the interests of corporation over that of it's citizens. We don't need Al Qaida or Osama Bin Laden to destroy this country we have been doing it ourselves for decades.

Where does the truth end, and the lies begin is the problem I'm seeing with this situation.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

mammasan wrote:

Good fucking point. So Roland when are you going to storm the White House?

That's easy, I can hold a gun in contempt legally in Iraq, it's encouraged actually.

Are you suggesting I break the law and become violent?

People who believe what Bush says tend to be pro violence....pro war.

I don't believe a single word he has ever said.

Total logic disconnect.

my2hands

i will ask again....


who was in on it... how many were in on it... how many know about it?


and why has it not come out in 7 years? not a peep? nothing? not one person that holds the greatest secret ever tells the story?


enlighten me

Nevermind

my2hands wrote:

i will ask again....


who was in on it... how many were in on it... how many know about it?


and why has it not come out in 7 years? not a peep? nothing? not one person that holds the greatest secret ever tells the story?


enlighten me

Cheney was.

mammasan

Nevermind wrote:

At free fall speed? Why didnt building 5 and 6 collapse too?
http://www.prisonplanet.com/images/august2006/230806wtcplan.jpg

Like I said I'm not a structural engineer so I can't give you a knowledgeable answer. Also I definitely wouldn't rely on Prison Planet as my source for factual information.

DriftingByTheStorm

mammasan wrote:

Here is my feeling of the 9/11 Truth Movement, it's best summed up by MIT engineering professor Thomas W. Eagar.

"These people (in the 9/11 truth movement) use the "reverse scientific method"… they determine what happened, throw out all the data that doesn't fit their conclusion, and then hail their findings as the only possible conclusion."

Funny.
Thats the exact same thing the "crazy" 911 Truth people accuse the government of doing REPEATEDLY.

Your penchant for avoiding reality and denying anything you find inconvenient is disturbing.

Before you go relying on quotes from MIT professors,
it may help you to know that MIT is a historical epicenter of CIA activity.
History of the CIA on Campus ... note the EXTENSIVE reference to the MIT!

:rolleyes:

Nevermind

mammasan wrote:

Like I said I'm not a structural engineer so I can't give you a knowledgeable answer. Also I definitely wouldn't rely on Prison Planet as my source for factual information.

Its a map.

my2hands

Nevermind wrote:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/images/august2006/230806wtcplan.jpg

wow, a prisonplanet link... that didnt take long :rolleyes:


let me tell ya something... if there was a conspiracy... and a small group of men could pull this shit off in total secret... they would have killed alex jones a long time ago

RolandTD20Kdrummer

All I've really seen here is people saying I have no idea of how they did it, so I can't really comprehend it being possible, so the official story has to be right, and people who deny it are crazy.

Proves nothing. Means nothing. Not a damn thing.

I can't imagine how to build a nuclear reactor, or the space shuttle, but they exist.

Nevermind

my2hands wrote:

wow, a prisonplanet link... that didnt take long :rolleyes:


let me tell ya something... if there was a conspiracy... and a small group of men could pull this shit off in total secret... they would have killed alex jones a long time ago

If you dont believe the map is accurate than google a new one. Only reason i chose that one was because its better quality.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

my2hands wrote:

let me tell ya something... if there was a conspiracy... and a small group of men could pull this shit off in total secret... they would have killed alex jones a long time ago

Things like physics, temperature, and gravity are constant...there are no alternatives.

Hypotheticals on what you think should be happening are somewhat less absolute.

my2hands

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Things like physics, temperature, and gravity are constant...there are no alternatives.

Hypotheticals on what you think should be happening are somewhat less absolute.

so why isnt every scientist that understands those "constants" screaming at the top of their lungs that it HAD to be an inside job? where are all of the scientists and legit experts backing these theories up?

and as the original article states, why demo the building? is that REALLY needed? why risk that? i think flying 2 planes into the buildings and killing a few thousand people would get the message across

RolandTD20Kdrummer

my2hands wrote:

so why isnt every scientist that understands those "constants" screaming at the top of their lungs that it HAD to be an inside job? where are all of the scientists and legit experts backing these theories up?

and as the original article states, why demo the building? is that REALLY needed? why risk that? i think flying 2 planes into the buildings and killing a few thousand people would get the message across

http://www.ae911truth.org/

btw...you won't find any gov't employees ruining their careers over it.

Without the collapse ,maybe they kill 50... most would evacuate..

my2hands

1. what do you think hit the pentagon?

2. why bring the building down? wouldnt the planes be good enough?

3. what did the conspirators have to gain from this attack?

RolandTD20Kdrummer

my2hands wrote:

1. what do you think hit the pentagon?

2. why bring the building down? wouldnt the planes be good enough?

3. what did the conspirators have to gain from this attack?

1. Most likely an airplane...they already used two for certain... what's another airplane?

2. They wanted the insurance money, and it's more final. If they fixed and repaired the building that's seen as fixing the problem. Not enough. It had to be a finality....no turning back...no way to fix it. No alternatives.

3 Are you kidding me?