The Great Derangement: If Cheney & Co. Had Really Plotted the 9/11 Attacks ...

mammasan

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Do some reading... what I'm saying is factual.

It's all money driven.

More disgusting things are done to far more people for the past 30 years via the war on drugs

9/11 was nothing.

You assume simply because I don't agree with you that I haven't done any reading or simply blind to the truth. I have done a lot of reading on the subject and have even did some research into how buildings are demoed. I simply don't see it happening. The complexity of such an operation is overwhelming. Does our government have the means to pull something like this off, Yes. Can it be done, Yes. Would they risk everything when there was already some crazy fuckers in another part of the world hell bent on doing the same thing, no. As history indicates are government doesn't like to get it's hands dirty, they would rather have other people do all the work for them. So why all of a sudden would they get themselves involved with with carrying out such a devastating attack against US citizens on US soil. I mean you guys are putting together some serious Lex Luther plots here.

mammasan

my2hands wrote:

the only 2 questions i have about 9/11 is:


1. where the hell was NORAD and the figters on 24/7 alert for this exact situation

2. what was up with NORAD running exact mock drills of the hijackings that morning?



for the record: i do not believe 9/11 was any type of inside job... and i think that article is great... a good read... i even printed it up to keep

the "just to fuck with people" line made me laugh out loud


i think 9/11 was an example of America's military fueled hubris... 1 trillion dollars a year for "defense" with 10,000 nuclear weapons most of which on hair trigger status, and 20 people with box cutters commited the greatest "attack" and atrocity on US soil in history...

what good was all that military power and wasteful spending that morning?

I believe that at the highest levels of government this was allowed to happen to a certain extent. I don't think that they realized how deadly the attack would be but I do believe that they played the role of the incompetant baffons in order to let this happen so they would have justification for their foreign agenda.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

my2hands wrote:

link me up something on those mossad agents... no joke

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fiveisraelis.html

spiral out

my2hands wrote:

2. what was up with NORAD running exact mock drills of the hijackings that morning?

Do you find it all curious that on the morning of the 7/7 bombings the exact same thing happened?

RolandTD20Kdrummer

mammasan wrote:

You assume simply because I don't agree with you that I haven't done any reading or simply blind to the truth. I have done a lot of reading on the subject and have even did some research into how buildings are demoed. I simply don't see it happening. The complexity of such an operation is overwhelming. Does our government have the means to pull something like this off, Yes. Can it be done, Yes. Would they risk everything when there was already some crazy fuckers in another part of the world hell bent on doing the same thing, no. As history indicates are government doesn't like to get it's hands dirty, they would rather have other people do all the work for them. So why all of a sudden would they get themselves involved with with carrying out such a devastating attack against US citizens on US soil. I mean you guys are putting together some serious Lex Luther plots here.

It's fits perfectly with the doctrine outlined in PNAC. The whole neo-con movement came to life in full force from 9/11, and the orchestrator's are all making a mint. Bin laden was a trained employee don't forget. Remember those people that were allowed to fly out after 9/11 when all planes were grounded? namely members of his family? The patriot acts were already drawn up pre-911 and were installed in a mater of weeks. That is not normal by any means even in times of conflict. Instant loss of rights? bang...zoom...patriot act.

What about the put options? Mossad agent sent to record the event. People knew in advance. This was planned.

mammasan

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fiveisraelis.html

Ok so now Mossad did it. Or was it the Illuminati or the Freemasons. Maybe it was these guys http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/85/Legion_of_Doom.jpg

mammasan

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

It's fits perfectly with the doctrine outlined in PNAC. The whole neo-con movement came to life in full force from 9/11, and the orchestrator's are all making a mint. Bin laden was a trained employee don't forget. Remember those people that were allowed to fly out after 9/11 when all planes were grounded? namely members of his family? The patriot acts were already drawn up pre-911 and were installed in a mater of weeks. That is not normal by any means even in times of conflict. Instant loss of rights? bang...zoom...patriot act.

What about the put options? Mossad agent sent to record the event. People knew in advance. This was planned.

Yes it was planned by Al Qaida and it was allowed to happen by our government but they did not do it themselves.

my2hands

mammasan wrote:

I believe that at the highest levels of government this was allowed to happen to a certain extent. I don't think that they realized how deadly the attack would be but I do believe that they played the role of the incompetant baffons in order to let this happen so they would have justification for their foreign agenda.

doesn't that make it an "inside job"?

RolandTD20Kdrummer

mammasan wrote:

Ok so now Mossad did it. Or was it the Illuminati or the Freemasons. Maybe it was these guys http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/85/Legion_of_Doom.jpg

If you dismiss that, your critical thinking has turned off. You don't want to look at for what it is for some reason.

Fox had news stories pulled off the air related to this situation after they ran them eh?

mammasan

my2hands wrote:

doesn't that make it an "inside job"?

Not necessarily. I do believe that the government should be held accountable for it's inaction but by no means where they "in" on it.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

mammasan wrote:

Yes it was planned by Al Qaida and it was allowed to happen by our government but they did not do it themselves.

So the media story goes on "the enemy". Bottom line who has benefited the most , and continues to do so? Look around at what has happened. I see a pattern of creating an enemy, then using military might against them for the past 30+ years.

How the towers fell is like saying I like pepsi over coke. The fact is we're all drinking it, swimming in it really.

PNAC outlines a plan for global domination through ongoing conflict. War is their money machine. We're living in it, and it's going on right now.

my2hands

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

If you dismiss that, your critical thinking has turned off. You don't want to look at for what it is for some reason.

Fox had news stories pulled off the air related to this situation after they ran them eh?

so because he doesnt think "five dancing israeli's" are the smoking gun his critical thinking is turned off?

FinsburyParkCarrots

spiral out wrote:

Do you find it all curious that on the morning of the 7/7 bombings the exact same thing happened?

I was in London on 8th September 2001 for a study day, and I was stunned by the obvious level of heightened security/blokes in suits with walkie talkies/visible police presence, in central London. It was clear as day, even to a casual observer. They weren't very subtle about it. Then 9/11 happened. I still suspect that it wasn't some football match or rally that caused the sudden change in climate.

mammasan

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

If you dismiss that, your critical thinking has turned off. You don't want to look at for what it is for some reason.

Fox had news stories pulled off the air related to this situation after they ran them eh?

yes of course Roland, because I don't agree with you that must mean that there is something deeply wrong with me and the way I process information. Tell me when are you going to toss the Kool-aid line at me just so I can brace myself.

Here is my feeling of the 9/11 Truth Movement, it's best summed up by MIT engineering professor Thomas W. Eagar.

"These people (in the 9/11 truth movement) use the "reverse scientific method"… they determine what happened, throw out all the data that doesn't fit their conclusion, and then hail their findings as the only possible conclusion."

RolandTD20Kdrummer

mammasan wrote:

yes of course Roland, because I don't agree with you that must mean that there is something deeply wrong with me and the way I process information. Tell me when are you going to toss the Kool-aid line at me just so I can brace myself.

Here is my feeling of the 9/11 Truth Movement, it's best summed up by MIT engineering professor Thomas W. Eagar.

"These people (in the 9/11 truth movement) use the "reverse scientific method"… they determine what happened, throw out all the data that doesn't fit their conclusion, and then hail their findings as the only possible conclusion."

I told you about something you didn't know about it it seems, and you instantly dismissed it. Then when I give you the information you still dismiss it, even though it's all factual.

So yes, one could deduce you did not look at it critically.

what did I miss?

mammasan

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

I told you about something you didn't know about it it seems, and you instantly dismissed it. Then when I give you the information you still dismiss it, even though it's all factual.

So yes, one could deduce you did not look at it critically.

what did I miss?

I have known about the dancing Israeli's and here is what I think about them, a bunch of douche bags who thought it would be appropriate to mock the situation simply because their country has been in the grips of terrorist attacks for decades. There is my critical analysis of your cold hard evidence that 9/11 was some how perpetrated by the US government, or Mossad or some other diabolical organization lurking in the shadows waiting to enslave humanity.

mammasan

Here is a wonderful quote from Matt Taibbi on the issue of 9/11 Truthers

"The first is that it gives supporters of Bush an excuse to dismiss critics of this administration. I have no doubt that every time one of those Loose Change dickwads opens his mouth, a Republican somewhere picks up five votes.... Secondly, it's bad enough that people in this country think Tim LaHaye is a prophet and Sean Hannity is an objective newsman. But if large numbers of people in this country can swallow 9/11 conspiracy theory without puking, all hope is lost."

RolandTD20Kdrummer

mammasan wrote:

I have known about the dancing Israeli's and here is what I think about them, a bunch of douche bags who thought it would be appropriate to mock the situation simply because their country has been in the grips of terrorist attacks for decades. There is my critical analysis of your cold hard evidence that 9/11 was some how perpetrated by the US government, or Mossad or some other diabolical organization lurking in the shadows waiting to enslave humanity.

The FBI confirmed two of them as being Mossad agents.

Again who has interests in ripping the middle east a new orifice and converting the land over (for a few reasons)?

And who is doing exactly that?

Two countries in particular that have incorporated at the highest levels. Extensive dual citizenship in office ring any bells? Pathetic AIPAC pandering by the big three candidates? Extensive aid to the one particular country in the region? Again follow the money trails. Toss in some deep rooted religious beliefs, amongst other reasons. The motivations are all there.

It's gets more clear as time goes on.

If you're looking for photo of George bush bending over holding a match at the base of the towers...good luck..lol

RolandTD20Kdrummer

mammasan wrote:

Here is a wonderful quote from Matt Taibbi on the issue of 9/11 Truthers

"The first is that it gives supporters of Bush an excuse to dismiss critics of this administration. I have no doubt that every time one of those Loose Change dickwads opens his mouth, a Republican somewhere picks up five votes.... Secondly, it's bad enough that people in this country think Tim LaHaye is a prophet and Sean Hannity is an objective newsman. But if large numbers of people in this country can swallow 9/11 conspiracy theory without puking, all hope is lost."

nice display of aggression and contempt...

mammasan

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

The FBI confirmed two of them as being Mossad agents.

Again who has interests in ripping the middle east a new orifice and converting the land over (for a few reasons)?

And who is doing exactly that?

Two countries in particular that have incorporated at the highest levels. Extensive dual citizenship in office ring any bells? Pathetic AIPAC pandering by the big three candidates? Extensive aid to the one particular country in the region? Again follow the money trails. Toss in some deep rooted religious beliefs, amongst other reasons. The motivations are all there.

It's gets more clear as time goes on.

If you looking for photo of George bush bending over holding a match at the base of the towers...good luck..lol

Yes the US government has benefited tremendously from 9/11 but that doesn't mean they executed the attack. All it shows is that this administration is full of a bunch of greedy opportunistic bastards who would take a national tragedy and use it to line their and their friend's pockets. Nothing more. Nothing that you have provided even comes remotely close to even slightly proving that the US was behind the attacks. In fact none of the evidence provided by the 9/11 Truth Movement has proved a damn single thing. All this talk about the government covering up is true, but they are not trying to cover up the fact that they are responsible for carrying out the attacks. They are covering up the fact that they royal fucked up and dropped the ball. The only question that remains to be answered is weither this fuck up was intentional or not.

Lastly I believe that this movement is harming our chances of every really getting any answers. Anyone who questions the events leading up to the attacks are now lumped in with all the tin foil hat wearers and none of their legitamate questions are being taken seriously.