The Great Derangement: If Cheney & Co. Had Really Plotted the 9/11 Attacks ...

my2hands

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

http://www.ae911truth.org/

btw...you won't find any gov't employees ruining their careers over it.

Without the collapse ,maybe they kill 50... most would evacuate..

the only name isee over andover on that site is a "richard gage"


have a more credible source then a 9/11 truth site? a biased source dont ya think? that really isnt that hot roland... you would figure something as big as this thousands of experts all around the world would be speaking their mind at the top of their lungs... but i hear nothing? they have had 7 years and all you have is some obscure richard gage dude?

my2hands

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

1. Most likely an airplane...they already used two for certain... what's another airplane?

okay

2. They wanted the insurance money, and it's more final. If they fixed and repaired the building that's seen as fixing the problem. Not enough. It had to be a finality....no turning back...no way to fix it. No alternatives.

so the owner of the wtc is in on it as well? this conspiracy is getting pretty wide for shit to stay quiet...

3 Are you kidding me?

no, what did they stand to gain. go ahead and answer it honestly

RolandTD20Kdrummer

my2hands wrote:

the only name isee over andover on that site is a "richard gage"


have a more credible source then a 9/11 truth site? a biased source dont ya think? that really isnt that hot roland... you would figure something as big as this thousands of experts all around the world would be speaking their mind at the top of their lungs... but i hear nothing? they have had 7 years and all you have is some obscure richard gage dude?

Do you have a different internet or something?

384 architectural and engineering professionals

edit...anyways...you click the number 384 with your mouse because it highlights when you hover over it (it's semi intuitive) and you get this:

http://www.ae911truth.org/signpetition.php

wait few moments for it to load....it's a lot of people.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

my2hands wrote:

okay

so the owner of the wtc is in on it as well? this conspiracy is getting pretty wide for shit to stay quiet...

no, what did they stand to gain. go ahead and answer it honestly

You fail to understand when you become part of it, you're an accomplice and you can be blackmailed....or worse. You are property. It's like joining the mafia...you keep your mouth shut, and do what you're told after that.

Not to mention a lot of people even agree with the policy it created regardless. (big surprise). that is a factor across the board on many levels for those involved. Also 3.5 billion? I'd bloody well keep my mouth shut for a million. you wanna give that back and go to jail or get executed? ...think.

Motivations? Where to start. Control...money......more control... more money.... did I mention all the money you can carry. People do whatever you tell to....whenever.
Conquest probably plays also as they are all essentially insane...

DriftingByTheStorm

my2hands wrote:

where are all of the scientists and legit experts backing these theories up?

How bout four fucking hundred and sixty plus engineers?

Patriots Question 911

And yes its a fucking 911 truth site.

DUH!
:rolleyes:

my2hands

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

You fail to understand when you become part of it, you're an accomplice and you can be blackmailed....or worse. You are property. It's like joining the mafia...you keep your mouth shut, and do what you're told after that.

like sammy "the bull" gravano? i think you are "failing to understand" human beings... this would notbe kept quiet for 7 years... especially not the size conspiracy you are talking about... mossad, pakistani intelligence, building owners, us intelligence, politicians, us military, arab patsies, people planting explosives (do you know how many it would take to load the 3 wtc buildings?!?)

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Also you know what's funny? You never hear much about the mafia these days

They sure as hell didn't disappear.

Who's to say they aren't working on the inside now? "Get in the car we're going for a ride".....a quick set of photos with some naked whore.

You do what you're told or your career and life are ruined along with your reputation. Play along and you're a very rich man. Your choice. All you've ever wanted or a life of hell....maybe even your very life.

Just a thought. You never know. It's not as if criminal elements aren't already operating inside. We know there are for sure criminals in office, and It could be that bad. Who knows. They murder millions of people without batting an eye. I'd say very strong plausibility.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

my2hands wrote:

like sammy "the bull" gravano? i think you are "failing to understand" human beings... this would notbe kept quiet for 7 years... especially not the size conspiracy you are talking about... mossad, pakistani intelligence, building owners, us intelligence, politicians, us military, arab patsies, people planting explosives (do you know how many it would take to load the 3 wtc buildings?!?)

You assume they are still even alive and super pissed about getting tons of cash or not worried for their life.

Nobody would believe one person anyway. All they would have is words. they would have to group together. Not bloody likely.

Ever see one person take on a just a corporation? You need to get a bunch or people together to make a case, and then maybe it sticks.

I don't think it took more than 20 people that know anything damaging to do this tops.

This notion of it taking hundreds of people knowing the entire operation is nonsense.

Need to know basis, only a few at the top need know everything. Everyone else might have their suspicions, some very strong, and maybe even think whoa...holy shit?! but what the fuck are they going to do about it? Links in a chain is not the entire chain, you only see the ass of the guy in front of you not the whole conga line.

can't prove anything except ruin your life over it.

DriftingByTheStorm

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Also you know what's funny? You never hear much about the mafia these days

They sure as hell didn't disappear.

Who's to say they aren't working on the inside now?

The CIA "Family Jewels" File, Released (with redactions, of course) in June 2007, after 40 years:

Item #2 -- "Johnny Roselli -- The use of a member of the Mafia in an attempt to assassinate Fidel Castro."

I'm so sure things have changed in the last 40 years, right?

Both our government and the mob got honest, right?

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FYI for all the blockheads in here, Jim Garrison, then district attorney of New Orleans, BROUGH THE JFK CONSPIRACY TO TRIAL LESS THAN FOUR YEARS AFTER IT HAPPENED. Several of his witnesses ended up mysteriously dead -- most notably David Ferrie (integral part of the "conspiracy") -- and the JURY did not convict Clay Shaw (mostly because Garrison had no real proof at the time -- outside of Ferrie's testimony before his death -- that Shaw was a CIA asset) ...

40 years later, EVERYTHING Garrison alleged turned out to be true, the CIA has sense admitted that Shaw was CIA, as well.

POINT IN QUESTION: YOU FUCKING SAY IF SHIT WAS A CONSPIRACY, SOMEONE WOULD HAVE TALKED.

POINT ANSWERED: SHIT HAS HAPPENED BEFORE, BEEN BROUGHT TO TRIAL WITH VIDEO EVIDENCE (back and to the left, anyone?) AND LOTS OF CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCE, WITHIN A HALF DECADE OF A CONSPIRACY, AND NOTHING FUCKING HAPPENED.

So what is your fucking point, then?

Shit happens. People question it. No one believes them.
40 years later, STILL you have idiots who don't believe it.

Oh well.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

The CIA "Family Jewels" File, Released (with redactions, of course) in June 2007, after 40 years:

Item #2 -- "Johnny Roselli -- The use of a member of the Mafia in an attempt to assassinate Fidel Castro."

I'm so sure things have changed in the last 40 years, right?

Both our government and the mob got honest, right?

No shit eh?

blows my fucking mind to pieces...

DriftingByTheStorm

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

No shit eh?

Roselli is the same mafioso that a one James Files (Mr. Grassy Knoll) claims hired him to do the actual hit on Kennedy. Like i said yesterday, Files made this statement some 10 years before this document was released, implicating Roselli as a mafia hitman under contract to the CIA for the assassination of Castro.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

Roselli is the same mafioso that a one James Files (Mr. Grassy Knoll) claims hired him to do the actual hit on Kennedy. Like i said yesterday, Files made this statement some 10 years before this document was released, implicating Roselli as a mafia hitman under contract to the CIA for the assassination of Castro.

Christ look at Oliver North even. He even got his own fucking TV show!?!?!

rewarded by the system for being a malicious criminal involved in conspiracy.

unreal...

But...but....they would never do that...they're just too dumb...

holy mother of God....sometimes man

sweetpotato

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

sometimes i feel like EVERYONE here has my name on IGNORE.

maybe they wouldn't have to, if you didn't suffer from diarrhea of the mouth.

sweetpotato

Feith: Fantastic. I love killing people in the finance industry. It's too bad the people on the lower floors will get to escape.

Cheney: It is too bad -- especially since we're going to blow up the rest of the building complex anyway.

Feith: We are?

Cheney: Yes. You see, the way I see it, our best course of action is to first crash planes into each the towers, trapping and killing those thousands on the upper floors of each building. After the impact, of course, the people on the lower floors will find their way out of the building and on to the street, where they will achieve relative safety -- at which point we'll finally detonate the massive network of explosive charges we've secretly hidden in the buildings in the weeks and months prior to the attacks.

Feith: Wait, why did we do that again?

Cheney: Because the buildings wouldn't have fallen down unless we did.

Wolfowitz: But why do we need the buildings to fall down?

Cheney: Because the events of the day will be insufficiently horrifying and impactful without the building collapses.

Feith: So why don't we detonate the charges earlier, so that we can kill the people on the lower floors, too?

Cheney: That's a good question. At some point we have to sacrifice effect for believability. You see, if the planes crash into the buildings and the buildings immediately collapse, everyone will be suspicious and they'll immediately be onto the presence of the explosives. So what we have to do is let the planes crash into the building, give the jet fuel time to start fires that will "soften" the building core, and then we detonate the charges. Afterwards, we'll be able to argue that the fires coupled with the impact actually caused the buildings to collapse.

Feith: Why will we be able to argue that? Didn't our studies show that impact and fire alone wouldn't have caused the buildings to collapse?

Cheney: Those were our secret, far-more-advanced studies, done with secret, far-more-advanced military technology. The vast majority of the world's civilian structural engineers, however, can be counted on after the incident to conclude that the buildings collapsed due to a combination of fire, impact, and the knocking off of fireproofing from the building beams.

Feith: Why can they be counted on to conclude that?

Cheney: Because that's what our secret research shows their not-secret research will show! Jesus Christ, work with me on this, will you?

Wolfowitz: I think I get it. We crash the planes, kill everyone above the impact of the planes, let the people underneath the impact out to safety, then collapse the buildings about an hour or so later using the explosives that we pointlessly incurred months and weeks worth of career- and life-threatening risk to covertly plant in a building complex visited by hundreds of thousands of people every week.

Cheney: Exactly! The actual deaths will mostly be caused by the planes. But we'll incur the massive additional risk simply to destroy the building, for effect, because it will look cool and scary on television.

Feith: I'm still confused about the our-studies and their-studies thing.

Cheney: (sighing) What's the matter, Doug?

Feith: If we know the planes won't collapse the buildings, isn't it possible that other people after the accident will figure out that the planes didn't collapse the buildings?

Cheney: Yes. But those other people will be a tiny minority of mostly non-scientists who'll deduce the whole plan by researching the matter on the internet. Their groundbreaking, visionary research, however, we can count on being ignored by the mainstream scientific community, which will continue to insist the planes caused the collapses.

Feith: Why can we count on that?

Cheney: Because the mainstream science community, like the whole of the corporate media, the Congress, the Democratic Party, even the mainstream leftist political opposition will naturally be in either conscious or unconscious assent with our plan. Most scientists, you know, depend in some form or another on government funding. So they'll be highly motivated to sign off on our dastardly mass-murder plot, since they know their salaries -- some of these people make almost a hundred thousand a year, you know -- ultimately depend on our ability to secure fifty billion additional barrels of oil per day by 2010 by fooling the population into invading Saddam Hussein's secular Iraq by faking a terrorist attack against the World Trade Center at the hands of a bunch of Saudi religious radicals loyal to the Afghan-supported terrorist leader Osama bin Laden.

Wolfowitz: No, I get it, I really do. It all makes sense.

Cheney: Also, we have to knock down WTC-7, this very building, in order to get rid of the evidence. I think it goes without saying that we'll need a command center for these operations, and I can't think of a place that would be better or more appropriate than an office right next to the point of attack. From these very offices, gentlemen, we will coordinate the military war exercises that will be held in this region on that very morning, war exercises that will so thoroughly confuse our own military that they will be unable to identify and intercept the hijacked planes we will be sending at the towers like so many deadly guided missiles.

continued...

sweetpotato

Kristol: But, Dick -- how can we be sure that the Air Force won't find a way to intercept the planes anyway?

Wolfowitz: I'll answer that, Dick. Irv, the best way we can guarantee that will be to issue stand-down orders in addition to implementing the war games.

Kristol: I see. We order the war games in order to stymie the Air Force intercepts we don't control, but just in case those fail, we'll control the Air Force intercepts.

Cheney: Now you're catching on.

Kristol: And the control center for those war games and for all our other plans (including the demolition) will be right here. These rooms are secret and utterly impenetrable to the general public at the moment, but after the attacks they will be vulnerable to forensic inspection by whichever city or federal agency goes through the wreckage of this doomed building.

Cheney: Exactly. That's one of the reasons I thought we should choose this space. If we chose some other spot as a base of operations -- a warehouse in Queens, say -- we might be able to keep it secure forever. But if we set up here, we can be sure some snooping official will end up poking around in the ruins. And we want that, it adds intrigue to the whole deal. Because it goes without saying that we won't be able to control all the cleanup agencies, except those that might be inclined to find our bomb fragments. Those we can count on 100%.

Kristol: Right, but still, we have to really be sure we destroy everything here. Especially all the papers and computer records of the conspiracy plans, which we will naturally leave behind, banking on the fact that they will be destroyed in the hellish conflagration.

Feith: Guys, I'm lost. You're saying we have to detonate this entire building in order to cover up the evidence of the crime?

All: Of course.

Feith: Why don't we just not leave the evidence behind and not blow up the building? Why should there be any evidence to leave behind at all?

Cheney: Doug, you're not being realistic. You always have to leave evidence of covert operations behind for the public to maybe find.

Wolfowitz: Well, except that we never have before.

Cheney: Right, except for that.

(a phone in the middle of the conference table rings. Kristol picks is up.)

Kristol: Hello? Who's this? Oh, hey, Larry. A gast in shetl! I'll put you on speaker! (cups phone, presses speaker button; addresses others) It's Larry Silverstein, the WTC landlord.

Silverstein: Hey guys! Vos makht ir?

Cheney: Not bad, Larry, how goes it?

Silverstein: In dr'erd afn dek! Just awful! But we get by, you know.

Cheney: What can we do you for, Larry?

Silverstein: Oh, hey, well, a little birdie told me that you guys were planning on blowing up my building complex and blaming it on Islamic terrorists!

Cheney: We all have our hobbies, Larry.

Silverstein: Well, naturally, you have my assent. Anything to grease the wheels of international capitalism. Also, as a landlord, I love seeing my tenants burned to death and jumping out of high windows on live television and that sort of thing. Plus, I'm a Jew, you know, I have horns. Paul, how's your family?

Wolfowitz: Oh, Larry, don't ask. Clare just last week popped her bursa sac building a sukkah. But does anyone live a life without troubles these days?

Silverstein: Things just keep getting worse and worse, you're right there. Listen, fellas, about that building complex ...

Cheney: Yes?

Silverstein: Do you think you could make sure that the WTC-7 building goes down, too? See, the thing is, I just signed a new insurance deal with Industrial Risk Insurers, this could all work out very nicely for me ...

Cheney: Larry, it's such an amazing coincidence, we were just talking about that. As it happens, we need to destroy the building to get rid of the evidence anyway. So say no more about that, we'll take care of it.

Wolfowitz: Well, say no more until it happens. Then you might just want to casually mention near a PBS camera that you're planning on "pulling" the building.

Silverstein: What does "pulling" mean?

Cheney: Well, it's not a demolition term, but some will say it is. We're thinking you might just want to make a little admission in that direction.

Silverstein: Before my insurance investigation is concluded? At exactly the time when such an admission would cost me my entire settlement? Consider it done!

All: Thanks, Larry.

Silverstein: You bet, fellas! See you on the links. Mazel tov! Oh, hey, Paul--

Wolfowitz: Yes?

Silverstein: Pull my finger, Paul! Pull it!

Wolfowitz: You bet I'll "pull it," you mensch!

Silverstein: Later!

(Silverstein hangs up)

Cheney: Well, that worked out well. I guess the only things left to really worry about are the other two planes. What do you guys think?

Kristol: Well, one plane. I'm thinking with the Pentagon, we send a missile or a drone into the building, then just tell everyone it's a plane. Just to fuck with people.

Feith: Is this going to be your basic take-the-real-plane-to-a-remote-military-base, kill-the-passengers, then-fake-their-cellphone-distress-calls-using-advanced-voice-recog-technology deals?

Kristol: That's what I'm thinking. Keep it simple, in other words.

Wolfowitz: Now I'm confused. We hire patsies to fly into the World Trade Center, but for the Pentagon, we don't use patsies?

Cheney: No. We use patsies, but just not to fly the plane. See, the patsies we choose for the Pentagon job won't actually have enough piloting skill to maneuver a plane into the Pentagon. So what we'll do is take a real passenger flight, hijack it and take it to a remote location -- say, Wright Patterson Airport in Ohio -- and then kill all the passengers on board, including the patsies, with poison gas. Then, instead of using that plane, we'll either shoot a missile or use one of those GlobalHawk drone planes to crash into the Pentagon. Then we tell everyone that it was actually the missing plane that crashed into the Pentagon.

Wolfowitz: Why don't we just get patsies who can fly a plane? Isn't that what we're doing in New York?

Cheney: It's so hard to find skilled patsies these days.

Kristol: Plus, Paul, it'll be simple. All we have to do is go to the crash site afterwards and deposit pieces of airplane wreckage, landing gear and so on, at the appropriate places ...

Cheney: That's perfect. I know exactly where we can get some airplane wreckage, too. There was an American Airlines jet that crashed in Colombia in 1995; we can take pieces of that plane and just sort of drop them on the lawn when no one is looking ... You know, just like in The Great Escape — drop them through a pantleg while whistling and looking off into the distance, and just sort of kick them around in the burning wreckage ...

Kristol: Or even better, we can drop them on the lawn from a circling C-130 after the crash. Just have someone leaning out the cargo bay with big pieces of fuselage, dropping them strategically in between the rescue workers. We can do the same thing with the body parts; we'll just take some of the bodies, barbecue them with jet fuel, and just sort of toss bits of them here and there around the site.

Cheney: That works for me. What I like about that is that it's so simple.

Wolfowitz: Okay, let me back up. Rather than just finding some patsies who can fly -- which is exactly what we'll be doing in New York -- we instead seize an actual passenger flight and remove the passengers to a remote location and kill them, disposing of the plane later. Then we attack the Pentagon and kill 100 or so of our own people with either a missile or a Global Hawk drone plane, banking on the probability that no one will see a plane shooting a missile in broad daylight of the nation's capital. Then, after we execute this attack on the Pentagon, we go back to the site and cleverly rearrange the evidence to make it look like a plane crashed there, including planting the samples of DNA of all the people we killed in Ohio or whatever. I'm not saying it doesn't sound like a good plan, but can I ask why we're doing this? If we can't find a patsy who can fly a plane, why not just not crash a plane into the Pentagon?

Cheney: What do you mean? But a plane crashes into the Pentagon. That's part of the plan.

Wolfowitz: Right, but since it's our plan and we can change it, why don't we just scuttle the entire Pentagon operation? We've already got the money shot with the Towers -- why do we need to go through all the trouble of finding hijackers who can't fly, nurturing them in the womb of ineffective government surveillance, getting them on a plane full of passengers, and then faking the deaths of all these people, telling the world they died in a plane crash that was actually a sinister attack using our own technology? I mean, so many things can go wrong. You've got to get people to sign off on the DNA reports, you've got eyewitnesses with weird stories, you've got inconsistent radar data, you've got to put stuff there for the dogs to find ...

Cheney: Don't worry about the dogs. We've got the dogs covered.

Wolfowitz: Oh, well, okay. But still -- why not just skip the whole thing?

Cheney: Are you suggesting that instead of executing hundreds of sinister, secretive, murderous sub-plans that all must go off flawlessly to together create a single underpublicized deception, that instead of that we just blow it off and go with the much larger and more spectacular World Trade Center event?

Wolfowitz: Right. Either that or find patsies who can fly.

Cheney: Hmm. Interesting. What do you guys think?

Feith: I don't know, Dick. It seems much easier just to go with the whole fake-the-flight, kill-the-passengers, fake-the-cell-phone-calls, pass-off-the-missile-attack-as-a-plane-crash thing. I can't think of any simpler way to do this plan than that.

Kristol: Yeah, Dick, frankly, neither can I. I like your plan better. It's so much more ... cloak n' daggerier!

Cheney: Well, it's settled, then. Paul, you cool?

Wolfowitz: Hey, I trust you guys, you know that.

...

sweetpotato

(the phone rings again)

Feith: I'll get it. (grabs phone) Hello? Oh, hey, Ted, what's up! (whispering, to everyone else) It's Ted Olson. (into phone) I'll put you on speaker, okay, Ted?

Olson: 'Sup, fellas!

Cheney: 'Sup, counselor! How goes it? Talked to George much lately?

Olson: As Governor Bush's attorney, you know I can't discuss that -- even with you assholes.

(everyone laughs)

Cheney: Fair enough, What can we do you for, counselor?

Olson: Well, I don't mean to be a pest ...

Cheney: Speak up, speak up.

Olson: Well, a little birdie told me that you guys were planning on faking an airplane hijacking and shooting a drone into the Pentagon, blaming it all on Islamic terrorists!

Cheney: Sure are a lot of little birdies around these days!

Olson: I was just wondering if you could stick my wife on the plane you're thinking of hijacking.

Cheney: Barbara?

Olson: Right, Babs.

Cheney: That's no problem. Consider it done. But you've got to get her on the plane.

Olson: Shit, that won't be hard. I'll tell her I dropped a dollar in the other airport. She'll catch the first fucking flight.

Cheney: That's great. Hey, maybe, actually you could help us. After we take Babs to a military base and dispose of her fat body, can you tell the press that she called you, weeping, on her cell phone during the hijacking? It'll add verisimilitude to the whole thing.

Olson: You mean like, "Oh, my poor wife, she called me in those last dire minutes before those terrorist bastards took her life, blah blah blah," that sort of thing?

Cheney: Exactly.

Olson: Hey, I'm a lawyer, I lie for a living. Consider it done. Of course, the pain of losing Babs would be easier if ...

Cheney: You want to be Solicitor General, right?

Olson: Well, if you haven't picked one out yet.

Cheney: Ted, you can count on us.

Olson: Thanks, man. Tell your other evil plotter buddies there that I love them.

All: We love you, too, Ted.

Olson: Later!

(Olson hangs up)

Feith: Well, that worked out well.

Kristol: That only leaves the last plane, I guess.

Cheney: Right. This one -- this one I think is going to be tricky.

Feith: How so?

Cheney: Okay, bear with me on this, okay? The plane takes off. Passengers, patsies, the whole deal. The hijackers take over the plane and start steering it toward the White House. But fuck them, okay? We step in, our jets scrambled, and we blow those fuckers out of the sky.

Feith: Boom!

Cheney: Of course, we can't exactly admit that we killed American passengers, even for a good reason like this would be. So we'll dream up a story about passengers overpowering the hijackers and downing the plane themselves. "Let's roll," a wife will hear her husband say on his cell phone, as he and his brave party of vigilantes storms the cockpit ...

Wolfowitz: Oh, I see, right. Because they learned from their families, by talking with them on their cell phones, the terrible fate of the World Trade Center. So they give their lives to save the White House ...

Feith: Wow. I'm going to cry, that's so beautiful.

Cheney: In reality, though, it'll be us downing the plane with an F-16 or something. The pilots will never talk, never. Nor will the air traffic controllers ...

Kristol: Oh, I like that. It's patriotic. So why do we shoot the plane down, though?

Cheney: Well, because otherwise the hijackers will crash into the White House. But we can't admit that to the public, they'll be horrified.

Kristol: But they're not real hijackers, are they? Aren't they patsies?

Cheney: Oh, right. Shit! Man, I'm getting confused. We should probably break for lunch soon.

Wolfowitz: No, Dick, I've got that one. You see, here's the thing. Maybe the passengers really will overpower the hijackers. If that happens, it goes without saying that we have to shoot the plane down. We can't let them land, because then the hijackers will talk, and our whole evil plan will be exposed.

Cheney: Right, right, that's exactly what might happen. So it goes without saying that we have to be prepared to fake a crash site to make it look like a crash, even though it'll really be us shooting the plane down.

Kristol: But how can we prepare a phony crash site in advance if we don't even know for sure right now that the passengers will overpower the hijacker-patsies? Or where or when that will happen? That shouldn't even be entering our minds at this point.

Cheney: Well, um ... fuck. Right again. Paul?

Wolfowitz: I don't know, man, I'm getting tired at this point. But I'm down with the general idea of shooting that plane down.

Cheney: If we have to.

Wolfowitz: Right, if we have to.

Kristol: But, wait -- also, don't we want the plane to crash into the White House?

Cheney: What, are you crazy? And kill innocent Americans?

Wolfowitz: Irv, come on, now.

Kristol: Guys, we've just decided to blow up the World Trade Center. Like five minutes ago.

Cheney: Well, but the White House.

Wolfowitz: Irv, the White House. You're talking about the White House.

Kristol: Okay, whatever. You know I'm all for it, whatever we do.

Cheney: Look, the point is, we do the Towers and pin it on bin Laden. That leads us to invade Afghanistan. A year and a half later, we invade Iraq.

Feith: And we blame the whole WTC thing on Saddam.

Cheney: Right, and ... wait, what? No! No, actually we never make that connection, because none exists. I figure we can just say he's in violation of his UN restrictions, and that will be a good enough reason to invade. He is anyway, right? In violation, I mean?

Wolfowitz: I think you're right, he is!





Adapted from the forthcoming book, "The Great DerangementThe Great Derangement" by Matt Taibbi. Copyright 2008 by Matt Taibbi. Published by Spiegel & Grau, a division of Random House Inc. Reprinted with permission.

polaris

9/11 was an inside job to me for one basic reason:

forget all the various websites and and "theories" out there and take a step back ... who ultimately has the most to gain from the events of september 11th?

approximately 3,000 dead!?? ... with all due respect to those who have lost their lives - that's a paltry number vs. what a bio-weapon at central station or some other virus can do ... or crashing the planes at the super bowl ... there is a way more effective way of imposing mass casualties then what they did ...

and some 7 years later - the ones who have truly benefited are the people involved with these neocons: defense contractors, engineering firms, oil companies, etc...

no one can say 9/11 hasn't done more for those people then anyone else ...

RolandTD20Kdrummer

sweetpotato wrote:

maybe they wouldn't have to, if you didn't suffer from diarrhea of the mouth.

It's more like he wouldn't have to if people didn't have cement of the brain.

The Waiting Trophy Man

Has anyone heard of Operation Northwoods? Keep in mind - this was almost 50 years ago.....

Operation Northwoods

US PLANNED FAKE TERROR ATTACKS ON CITIZENS
TO CREATE SUPPORT FOR CUBAN WAR

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/northwoods.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

mammasan

Eddie Better wrote:

Has anyone heard of Operation Northwoods? Keep in mind - this was almost 50 years ago.....

Operation Northwoods

US PLANNED FAKE TERROR ATTACKS ON CITIZENS
TO CREATE SUPPORT FOR CUBAN WAR

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/northwoods.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

Yes and JFK pulled the plug because of the risk involved. He realized that if word ever leaked it would mean the death penalty for high treason.