Epigenetics

gue_barium

Ahnimus wrote:

Crack out the citations.

I prefer to use what I can access from my own experience.

Ahnimus

gue_barium wrote:

Thank god for google, eh?

Dude, I just finished reading Fifth Edition Developmental Psychology by Prof. David Schaffer. Homeschooling and anti-social behavior were covered and as I stated already, there is no conclusive evidence. The running hypothesis has been that homeschooling is bad because it doesn't allow for peer relations, but that has always been met with scepticism.

I'm only googling because I don't have the textbook handy, I had to return it to it's rightful owner (I'm thinking about getting the Seventh edition). And the textbook wouldn't have new research in it. But my best googling efforts pull up a summary of research that suggests "increased parental monitoring" helps children develop socially, which was already covered in the Fifth edition of the book. But that alone doesn't proove that highschool causes increased social maladjustment.

gue_barium

Ahnimus wrote:

Dude, I just finished reading Fifth Edition Developmental Psychology by Prof. David Schaffer. Homeschooling and anti-social behavior were covered and as I stated already, there is no conclusive evidence. The running hypothesis has been that homeschooling is bad because it doesn't allow for peer relations, but that has always been met with scepticism.

I'm only googling because I don't have the textbook handy, I had to return it to it's rightful owner (I'm thinking about getting the Seventh edition). And the textbook wouldn't have new research in it. But my best googling efforts pull up a summary of research that suggests "increased parental monitoring" helps children develop socially, which was already covered in the Fifth edition of the book. But that alone doesn't proove that highschool causes increased social maladjustment.

Good teachers-parents are well aware of socialization and peer relations.
I guess those who might not fall into that category are the cultists/religious freaks... but that's a different topic. I don't think home schooling in general can be simplified like you are trying to do here.

Ahnimus

gue_barium wrote:

Good teachers-parents are well aware of socialization and peer relations.
I guess those who might not fall into that category are the cultists/religious freaks... but that's a different topic. I don't think home schooling in general can be simplified like you are trying to do here.

Sorry, I wasn't trying to simplify it. I was actually trying to express more depth to the issue. It's not enough to look at a couple of select incidence or even the output of a couple of studies without knowing the correlation coefficient or the standard deviation, the sample groups, etc.. generally I would trust a report like Brady (2003), but he only states "increased parental monitoring" which could easily apply to children in public school, since most of their social activity occurs after school.

Deni

Ahnimus wrote:

But that alone doesn't proove that highschool causes increased social maladjustment.

The only "proof" I need is that high school was hell on me. I was over weight and teased A LOT. I had ADHD and got into a lot of trouble. Teachers wrote me off. They refused to educate me. Getting teachers to do their jobs with me was like pulling teeth. (I really think this is the reason my mom became a child therapist and advocate.) I was shuffled to the bottom of the pile. I was told to my face that I would never amount to anything! I was told to my face that I was going to end up in prison. Even if I tried and did my work, I only got mediocre grades. Sometimes I think they didn't even bother to actually give me accurate grades. I think they just put B- and C's on my papers so they wouldn't have to deal with me. And I quit trying after while. So, as soon as I could I dropped out, got my GED, and went to college where I excelled. I always knew I was smart. But high school was a bad place for me, and I will not force my kids to go through that. I say I will home school, and I will, but if I have kids who really want to go to traditional school I will let them go. I just don't want my kids to have to struggle like I did. I would rather just educate them myself at home, especially if they are "non-traditional" type kids like I was. That's all.

On top of that schools have changed since I was in school. They've gotten worse. I absolutely hate the idea of standardized testing in grade school. Music programs are OUT. Art programs are OUT. And then... the violence. When they put the metal detectors at the front gates... well, that was just too much for me.

Ahnimus

Deni wrote:

The only "proof" I need is that high school was hell on me. I was over weight and teased A LOT. I had ADHD and got into a lot of trouble. Teachers wrote me off. They refused to educate me. Getting teachers to do their jobs with me was like pulling teeth. (I really think this is the reason my mom became a child therapist and advocate.) I was shuffled to the bottom of the pile. I was told to my face that I would never amount to anything! I was told to my face that I was going to end up in prison. Even if I tried and did my work, I only got mediocre grades. Sometimes I think they didn't even bother to actually give me accurate grades. I think they just put B- and C's on my papers so they wouldn't have to deal with me. And I quit trying after while. So, as soon as I could I dropped out, got my GED, and went to college where I excelled. I always knew I was smart. But high school was a bad place for me, and I will not force my kids to go through that. I say I will home school, and I will, but if I have kids who really want to go to traditional school I will let them go. I just don't want my kids to have to struggle like I did. I would rather just educate them myself at home, especially if they are "non-traditional" type kids like I was. That's all.

On top of that schools have changed since I was in school. They've gotten worse. I absolutely hate the idea of standardized testing in grade school. Music programs are OUT. Art programs are OUT. And then... the violence. When they put the metal detectors at the front gates... well, that was just too much for me.

I can almost guarantee I had a worse time in highschool. But I don't consider that conclusive evidence. Most kids have a great time in highschool and depriving them of that is bad, IMO.

Deni

Ahnimus wrote:

I can almost guarantee I had a worse time in highschool. But I don't consider that conclusive evidence. Most kids have a great time in highschool and depriving them of that is bad, IMO.

Its a good thing that you qualified that by saying almost because I don't know how you could guarantee any such thing. You don't know me well enough to make such a blanket statement. And even if it is true that you had a worse time in high school than I did, that only illicits pity from me toward you. And most kids aren't MY kids. If my kids are anything like I was then I won't subject them to the treatment that I got in high school... especially not in the culture of violence we have now. Not now, with classrooms of 35 students, and one seriously underpaid teacher, who only teaches them how to pass standardized tests and nothing else, where there is no music or art, and MY KIDS have to walk through metal detectors just to get to homeroom. No thanks!

And that's the last I'm going to say about this. I really wish we could get back to talking epigenetics before this thread gets closed for being off topic.

Yoyoyo

You all need to quit crying.

Ahnimus

Mestophar wrote:

You all need to quit crying.

I don't think anyone is crying.

Jeanie

Found all these listings which I thought might be of interest. Of course you guys have probably found them already.



http://www.epidna.com/literature.php


(wish I could stop seeing demyelination everytime the word demethylation pops up! )