good points. Yes medicine is called a "practice" for a reason. Understanding is always evolving. This too coincides though with the idea from the video that what we do now, the mistakes we might make now, effects us presently, our children and umpteen generations to come.
Yes. I appreciate that what I am told at my doctor today may not be what they tell me 5 years or 10 years from now. And that's fine by me as long as I'm not being "blamed" for their inability to work something out. I'm not saying that is always the case because of course it is not, but there are more than enough doctors and health care professionals with a "blame the patient" mentality. I even understand why they come to hold that view. But bearing in mind, that "mistakes" are just that, things that we do wrong without intention and also bearing in mind that it will not just be individual mistakes that will affect us epigenetically for generations but also the "mistakes" or possibly even the intentions of a lot of outside contributors, then while I welcome this advancement I think we are a long way from being able to prevent all disease, and sickness for generations.
such as? You could be highly intelligent and still be autistic. The two do not equate. Most savants fall into the autistic spectrum. However, I would still acertain that the majority of autistics would give up any residual intellect from their disease if they could rid themselves of its negative aspects.
By the new, sweepingly broad definitions of the spectrum, almost anyone in a math or science major in college is "on the spectrum". That is bull. Being analytical, and not preoccupied with socialization is not a pathology!
As usual, I'm not interested theories that are based solely on personal experience or conjecture. You seem to ascribe to what is often called the naturalistic fallacy, the belief that moral oughts can be derived from a natural is, or the is-ought problem of David Hume.[1][2].
Morality seems to arise as a human construct from a number of functions our brains perform....
I'm not tying it to morality, but we have kept people alive in the past few generations that would not have lived without intervention. Critters that were going to die, that have been saved are to be expected to have some complications. Look at the products of the quack fertility doctors that routinely produce high order multiples. These children more often than not suffer serious medical repercussions for life. (One also has to wonder WHY the couple was originally unable to reproduce. What was wrong that kept them from producing viable offspring?) Protecting the weak, and producing more of the weak will weaken the species, but I'm not going to ask for regulation of breeding.
I'm not tying it to morality, but we have kept people alive in the past few generations that would not have lived without intervention. Critters that were going to die, that have been saved are to be expected to have some complications. Look at the products of the quack fertility doctors that routinely produce high order multiples. These children more often than not suffer serious medical repercussions for life. (One also has to wonder WHY the couple was originally unable to reproduce. What was wrong that kept them from producing viable offspring?) Protecting the weak, and producing more of the weak will weaken the species, but I'm not going to ask for regulation of breeding.
Chances are we'd be extinct if we didn't help the weak. We are a physically weak species in general. Known genetics accounts for 25% of all obesity. To me, it's not a catagorical system, you've seen how complex metabolism is. All of life is so complex and we aren't exactly free of the law of conservation mass-energy.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Without a subscription, you only get the abstract, but this gives you the 'meat' of the matter.
Great, I just need some potatos, gravy, some veggies and I'm all set for dinner.
This link says something about histamine being involved in high-fat diet (HFD). Does this suggest that people taking antihistamines regularly are at risk of obesity?
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As a "medical professional" myself, I am highly against immunizations in children. As mentioned in an earlier post, from my studies, I have concluded that the increase in Autism, Aspergers and ADHD are directly linked to the shots given routinely to kids.
MahoganySouls, I'm curious, what kind of 'studies' have you performed in your role as a 'medical professional'? Did you perform professional research in this area? Are you against ALL immunizations?
The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance,
but the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel Boorstin
Only a life lived for others is worth living.
~Albert Einstein
Great, I just need some potatos, gravy, some veggies and I'm all set for dinner.
This link says something about histamine being involved in high-fat diet (HFD). Does this suggest that people taking antihistamines regularly are at risk of obesity?
Ha ha... I just took an antihistamine and hour ago and just now ate a piece of pizza! Interesting question, Ahnimus and I don't know the answer to that. From personal experience, I take an antihistamine regularly (almost daily, not so much in the winter) and I do not watch what I eat at all, however, I do not eat very large portions. I do not have a weight problem. But you've made me paranoid now!
The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance,
but the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel Boorstin
Only a life lived for others is worth living.
~Albert Einstein
"Today, with the exception of some Influenza (flu) vaccines, none of the vaccines used in the U.S. to protect preschool children against 12 infectious diseases contain thimerosal as a preservative."
The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance,
but the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel Boorstin
Only a life lived for others is worth living.
~Albert Einstein
Ha ha... I just took an antihistamine and hour ago and just now ate a piece of pizza! Interesting question, Ahnimus and I don't know the answer to that. From personal experience, I take an antihistamine regularly (almost daily, not so much in the winter) and I do not watch what I eat at all, however, I do not eat very large portions. I do not have a weight problem. But you've made me paranoid now!
It sounds like antihistamines work on the histamine receptors of certain tissues and don't affect metabolism. So I gathered with my limited understanding.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
It sounds like antihistamines work on the histamine receptors of certain tissues and don't affect metabolism. So I gathered with my limited understanding.
Yeah, but Ryan, isn't it possible that antihistamines could work differently on different people? And quite possibly could effect metabolism in some?
It sounds like antihistamines work on the histamine receptors of certain tissues and don't affect metabolism. So I gathered with my limited understanding.
Yeah, but Ryan, isn't it possible that antihistamines could work differently on different people? And quite possibly could effect metabolism in some?
Not saying either way, just curious.
According to the link I just provided Ahnimus, antihistamines 'coat' the receptor sites of histamines preventing the histamine from binding and causing inflamation, congestion, etc. It doesn't bind to the histamine directly or decrease histamine levels as far I can tell. The specific article I posted earlier indicated a correlation of decreased histamine levels to increased high fat diet induced obesity.
The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance,
but the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel Boorstin
Only a life lived for others is worth living.
~Albert Einstein
I'll tell you one thing. They sure [make] you tired. I just got up from a nap and I'm still in a mental fog!
Haha, thanks. It took me awhile to figure out the 3rd sentence there, but I think I got it
I used to take antihistamines for sleep because of my allergy to dust mites. But now I just have a cover I wash regularly.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Yeah, but Ryan, isn't it possible that antihistamines could work differently on different people? And quite possibly could effect metabolism in some?
Not saying either way, just curious.
What I've been reading is that antihistmaines act on H1 histamine receptors, there are also H2, H3, and H4 histamine receptors. I've also read that all anthistamines permeate the blood-brain barrier. H1 receptors are invovled in vasodilation, bronchoconstriction, smooth muscle activation, separation of endothelial cells (responsible for hives), and pain and itching due to insect stings; the primary receptors involved in allergic rhinitis symptoms and motion sickness. But, I haven't found which histamine receptors are involved in metabolism.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
According to the link I just provided Ahnimus, antihistamines 'coat' the receptor sites of histamines preventing the histamine from binding and causing inflamation, congestion, etc. It doesn't bind to the histamine directly or decrease histamine levels as far I can tell. The specific article I posted earlier indicated a correlation of decreased histamine levels to increased high fat diet induced obesity.
I'm half asleep, so didn't notice the link barak. thanks. I'll go back and read it. although I can't imagine that it's gonna sink in even remotely today.
What I've been reading is that antihistmaines act on H1 histamine receptors, there are also H2, H3, and H4 histamine receptors. I've also read that all anthistamines permeate the blood-brain barrier. H1 receptors are invovled in vasodilation, bronchoconstriction, smooth muscle activation, separation of endothelial cells (responsible for hives), and pain and itching due to insect stings; the primary receptors involved in allergic rhinitis symptoms and motion sickness. But, I haven't found which histamine receptors are involved in metabolism.
**yawn** sorry. (so tired) I can't believe I actually understood that.
and I've not read the article, but wouldn't it be possible that if the antihistimine are blocking the body's natural reaction to a "threat" and supressing the receptors and action of all the cells involved that this would then cause the body to react in some other way to that blocking? I mean even if we are not as yet aware of it? I'm not saying that it would effect metabolism specifically, but it seems that it is all one chemical reaction after another, so one has to wonder if you block one thing if this doesn't then set the body off on another tangent? Probably making no sense. I'm just musing "aloud".
Well I doubt they make you stupid, perhaps they just make you look stupid?
When I was in high school, I had my boyfriend 'take care of' a wasp that was in my bathroom. Well, he left it half dead on the floor. When I got out of the shower I stepped on it. My foot was so swollen, so my mom gave me 3 benadryls. I swear I had an out of body experience. I would close my eyes and it felt like I floating to the ceiling. High levels of benadryl are no joke!
The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance,
but the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel Boorstin
Only a life lived for others is worth living.
~Albert Einstein
When I was in high school, I had my boyfriend 'take care of' a wasp that was in my bathroom. Well, he left it half dead on the floor. When I got out of the shower I stepped on it. My foot was so swollen, so my mom gave me 3 benadryls. I swear I had an out of body experience. I would close my eyes and it felt like I floating to the ceiling. High levels of benadryl are no joke!
See and right there I read that as you had a stupid boyfriend!
I mean what idiot leaves a half dead wasp or bee on the floor when there are allergic folk about? I'm kidding! But seriously my point was there's nothing stupid about you girl, you just have little hiccup moments like the rest of us. And medication will certainly effect that.
MahoganySouls, I'm curious, what kind of 'studies' have you performed in your role as a 'medical professional'? Did you perform professional research in this area? Are you against ALL immunizations?
"studies" as in learning, taking of knowledge, reading actual statistics etc. Nothing really to be "curious" about. What is it you really want to say?
"When you're climbing to the top, you'd better know the way back down" MSB
"Today, with the exception of some Influenza (flu) vaccines, none of the vaccines used in the U.S. to protect preschool children against 12 infectious diseases contain thimerosal as a preservative."
First of all, no not all...some still do contain it. Also, it was merely replaced in other imms with different preservatives. The fact remains. Imms are not healthy. They overload the body, esp the liver and spleen because of multiples given together. They also innundate a babies developing immune system. Babies do not need these at such an early age due to the natural protection they have from their mothers at birth. Starting infants as young as one day old with Hep B vaccine is unsafe, irrational and uncalled for.
Try doing the research yourself and see what you come up with. Don't rely blindly on the info given to you via the doctors office. Those preprinted info sheets come directly from the vaccine manufacturers.
"When you're climbing to the top, you'd better know the way back down" MSB
Don't trust the CDC Baraka, they manufactured HIV!
It's all a conspiracy to convince us we have no free-will and keep us dumbed down and conformists. It's all part of the biblical prophecies as revealed by graphology. Bigfoot is real! He just teleports to and from his home dimension at will. We didn't come from monkeys, we came from God, fossils and DNA evidence are just to test our faith. No one has ever been to the moon, the ancients were right, the sky is just a big black spaghetti strainer with the light of God on the other side.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I know this because I know, if you don't know this then you don't know. It's not a problem with my knowledge, it's a problem with your knowledge. I don't need citations, facts and links, because I know what I know and I know you don't know. That's all I need to know.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
What? Yo, they challenge me to a sanctioned event, it went quick with the skunk, yea, love 0-6, top-spin smashes stops them dead in their tracks, you see the way I relax is winning ping-pong matches.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
"studies" as in learning, taking of knowledge, reading actual statistics etc. Nothing really to be "curious" about. What is it you really want to say?
Well, OK........ Frankly, I find it a bit disturbing that someone who professes to be in health care would hold such a reckless and dangerous view, ie being against all vaccinations. I only pray that you do not mislead folks that come to you for professional opinions, because most in the health care field would view discouraging vaccinations as, well, incompetence. Firstly, there are a lot of folks that are susceptible/gullible to the proliferation of misinformation and flat-out conspiracy theory type stuff posted all over the internet (it seems they find it easier to learn the misinformation than to unlearn it in the face of more credible facts). And second, the huge success of vaccinations are their own downfall..people have never seen a polio outbreak, a case of tetanus toxicity, or known someone rendered sterile by mumps.This kind of ignorance puts everyone in danger. This is a public health issue that not only affects you, but the person sitting next to you.
A big risk is that once an outbreak occurs among the unvaccinated, it then gives that disease organism an opportunity to multiply rapidly, which leaves open opportunity for more mutations to render the organism sufficiently changed to then infect even the vaccinated.
The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance,
but the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel Boorstin
Only a life lived for others is worth living.
~Albert Einstein
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He was the funniest fucker....
I think he got banned for life for telling suicidal people to kill themselves.
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Chances are we'd be extinct if we didn't help the weak. We are a physically weak species in general. Known genetics accounts for 25% of all obesity. To me, it's not a catagorical system, you've seen how complex metabolism is. All of life is so complex and we aren't exactly free of the law of conservation mass-energy.
Great, I just need some potatos, gravy, some veggies and I'm all set for dinner.
This link says something about histamine being involved in high-fat diet (HFD). Does this suggest that people taking antihistamines regularly are at risk of obesity?
MahoganySouls, I'm curious, what kind of 'studies' have you performed in your role as a 'medical professional'? Did you perform professional research in this area? Are you against ALL immunizations?
but the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel Boorstin
Only a life lived for others is worth living.
~Albert Einstein
Ha ha... I just took an antihistamine and hour ago and just now ate a piece of pizza! Interesting question, Ahnimus and I don't know the answer to that. From personal experience, I take an antihistamine regularly (almost daily, not so much in the winter) and I do not watch what I eat at all, however, I do not eat very large portions. I do not have a weight problem. But you've made me paranoid now!
but the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel Boorstin
Only a life lived for others is worth living.
~Albert Einstein
All pediatric vaccines in the routine infant immunization schedule are manufactured without thimerosal as a preservative as of 2003, I believe.
From the CDC: http://www.cdc.gov/od/science/iso/thimerosal.htm
"Today, with the exception of some Influenza (flu) vaccines, none of the vaccines used in the U.S. to protect preschool children against 12 infectious diseases contain thimerosal as a preservative."
but the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel Boorstin
Only a life lived for others is worth living.
~Albert Einstein
It sounds like antihistamines work on the histamine receptors of certain tissues and don't affect metabolism. So I gathered with my limited understanding.
Yeah, but Ryan, isn't it possible that antihistamines could work differently on different people? And quite possibly could effect metabolism in some?
Not saying either way, just curious.
*~You're IT Bert!~*
Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift
Impressive Ahnimus. You're right http://health.discovery.com/centers/articles/articles.html?chrome=c02&article=LC_55¢er=p01
I'll tell you one thing. They sure you tired. I just got up from a nap and I'm still in a mental fog!
but the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel Boorstin
Only a life lived for others is worth living.
~Albert Einstein
According to the link I just provided Ahnimus, antihistamines 'coat' the receptor sites of histamines preventing the histamine from binding and causing inflamation, congestion, etc. It doesn't bind to the histamine directly or decrease histamine levels as far I can tell. The specific article I posted earlier indicated a correlation of decreased histamine levels to increased high fat diet induced obesity.
but the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel Boorstin
Only a life lived for others is worth living.
~Albert Einstein
You tired sure is.
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Lol! Did I really write that? Ok, they make you stupid.........
but the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel Boorstin
Only a life lived for others is worth living.
~Albert Einstein
Haha, thanks. It took me awhile to figure out the 3rd sentence there, but I think I got it
I used to take antihistamines for sleep because of my allergy to dust mites. But now I just have a cover I wash regularly.
What I've been reading is that antihistmaines act on H1 histamine receptors, there are also H2, H3, and H4 histamine receptors. I've also read that all anthistamines permeate the blood-brain barrier. H1 receptors are invovled in vasodilation, bronchoconstriction, smooth muscle activation, separation of endothelial cells (responsible for hives), and pain and itching due to insect stings; the primary receptors involved in allergic rhinitis symptoms and motion sickness. But, I haven't found which histamine receptors are involved in metabolism.
I'm half asleep, so didn't notice the link barak.
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Well I doubt they make you stupid, perhaps they just make you look stupid?
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The currents will shift
**yawn** sorry.
and I've not read the article, but wouldn't it be possible that if the antihistimine are blocking the body's natural reaction to a "threat" and supressing the receptors and action of all the cells involved that this would then cause the body to react in some other way to that blocking? I mean even if we are not as yet aware of it? I'm not saying that it would effect metabolism specifically, but it seems that it is all one chemical reaction after another, so one has to wonder if you block one thing if this doesn't then set the body off on another tangent? Probably making no sense. I'm just musing "aloud".
*~You're IT Bert!~*
Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift
When I was in high school, I had my boyfriend 'take care of' a wasp that was in my bathroom. Well, he left it half dead on the floor. When I got out of the shower I stepped on it. My foot was so swollen, so my mom gave me 3 benadryls. I swear I had an out of body experience. I would close my eyes and it felt like I floating to the ceiling. High levels of benadryl are no joke!
but the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel Boorstin
Only a life lived for others is worth living.
~Albert Einstein
See and right there I read that as you had a stupid boyfriend!
I mean what idiot leaves a half dead wasp or bee on the floor when there are allergic folk about?
*~You're IT Bert!~*
Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift
Try doing the research yourself and see what you come up with. Don't rely blindly on the info given to you via the doctors office. Those preprinted info sheets come directly from the vaccine manufacturers.
It's all a conspiracy to convince us we have no free-will and keep us dumbed down and conformists. It's all part of the biblical prophecies as revealed by graphology. Bigfoot is real! He just teleports to and from his home dimension at will. We didn't come from monkeys, we came from God, fossils and DNA evidence are just to test our faith. No one has ever been to the moon, the ancients were right, the sky is just a big black spaghetti strainer with the light of God on the other side.
Hope you're not getting uptight about me and what I think I know because the older I get the more I know that I know nothing!
But I would like to continue to struggle along trying to wade through all the science to a better understanding.
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Well, OK........ Frankly, I find it a bit disturbing that someone who professes to be in health care would hold such a reckless and dangerous view, ie being against all vaccinations. I only pray that you do not mislead folks that come to you for professional opinions, because most in the health care field would view discouraging vaccinations as, well, incompetence. Firstly, there are a lot of folks that are susceptible/gullible to the proliferation of misinformation and flat-out conspiracy theory type stuff posted all over the internet (it seems they find it easier to learn the misinformation than to unlearn it in the face of more credible facts). And second, the huge success of vaccinations are their own downfall..people have never seen a polio outbreak, a case of tetanus toxicity, or known someone rendered sterile by mumps.This kind of ignorance puts everyone in danger. This is a public health issue that not only affects you, but the person sitting next to you.
A big risk is that once an outbreak occurs among the unvaccinated, it then gives that disease organism an opportunity to multiply rapidly, which leaves open opportunity for more mutations to render the organism sufficiently changed to then infect even the vaccinated.
but the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel Boorstin
Only a life lived for others is worth living.
~Albert Einstein