Epigenetics

Anon

MahoganySouls wrote:

I for one would NEVER get chemo. Poisoning the entire body to rid it of a few mutant cells makes absolutely no sense. There are better ways to accomplish the same goal. Epigenics is proof of that.

a few mutant cells......

what would you tell a parent whose child was diagnosed with ALL (Acute lymphoblastic leukaemia)? chemo is the main form of treatment for ALL. pretty much initially, the whole aim of the treatment is to destroy leukaemic cells and hopefully induce a remission. you said 'there are better ways to accomplish the same goal'...

i'm keen to hear it. and i'm sure with all the knowledge that you appear to have, i don't need to tell you that ALL progresses very, very quickly, there's not a lot of time. treatment has to happen sooner rather than later.

i have my listening ears on. what are the better ways?

MahoganySouls

baraka wrote:

Also, we have moved toward a single dose method where such preservatives will not be necessary.

Single dose methods with multiple vaccines in one still overload a developing immune system. This is simply too much toxicity.

Keep in mind those of us in the profession also have children and want the safest vaccinations for them.
Not all. The swing against them by medical personnel is growing rapidly.

What I took issue with is your absolute statement recommending children should not be vaccinated at all. That is a bit reckless by any medical professionals standard.
Not reckless...informed.

Also, since vaccinations are mandated by law in most states, we better be damn sure these things pose little risk.
This is an untruth as well. While immz are suggested and "required" for school entry, parents merely sign a waver to be released from it. It is called an "exemption".

I really think, like I stated earlier, that one of the downfalls of vaccinations is their success rate. We have not had to experience the horrors of polio, pertussis, etc.
We don't experience these things because for the most part the western world has erraticated them. Again as I stated before, unless going over seas or being regularly exposed to persons at risk, the need to immunize against them is miniscule.

I had a childhood friend that died from something thought of quite mild back in the day, chickenpox.

So ONE obscure incidence of this necessitates vaccination for all? I would rather take my chances. Seeing the mounting evidence, it sure shows that vaccines cause more harm than the minute possibility of a negative side effect from these diseases.

baraka

I already gave you the dangers. Earlier I said this: "A big risk is that once an outbreak occurs among the unvaccinated, it then gives that disease organism an opportunity to multiply rapidly, which leaves open opportunity for more mutations to render the organism sufficiently changed to then infect even the vaccinated." Again it goes back to what I've stated earlier, the vaccination success rate might indeed be its downfall.

As far as a wavier, do you mean something like this? http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071018/NEWS07/710180330/-1/NEWS07

Fake religious claims get around vaccination rules

By Steve LeBlanc
Associated Press



Sabrina Rahim doesn't practice any particular faith, but signed a letter declaring deeply held religious beliefs to get 4-year-old son Zain, left, into a Boston preschool without having to vaccinate him.

BOSTON — Sabrina Rahim doesn't practice any particular faith, but she had no problem signing a letter declaring that because of her deeply held religious beliefs, her 4-year-old son should be exempt from the vaccinations required to enter preschool.

She is among a small but growing number of parents around the country who are claiming religious exemptions to avoid vaccinating their children when the real reason may be skepticism of the shots or concern they can cause other illnesses.

Some of these parents say they are being forced to lie because of the way the vaccination laws are written in their states.

"It's misleading," Rahim admitted, but she said she fears that earlier vaccinations may be to blame for her son's autism. "I find it very troubling, but for my son's safety, I feel this is the only option we have."

An Associated Press examination of states' vaccination records and data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found that many states are seeing increases in religious exemptions claimed for kindergartners.

"Do I think that religious exemptions have become the default? Absolutely," said Dr. Paul Offit, head of infectious diseases at Children's Hospital in Philadelphia and one of the harshest critics of the anti-vaccine movement. He said the resistance to vaccines is "an irrational, fear-based decision."

The number of exemptions is extremely small in percentage terms and represents just a few thousand of the 3.7 million children entering kindergarten in 2005, the most recent figure available.

But public health officials say it takes only a few people to cause an outbreak that can put large numbers of lives at risk.

"When you choose not to get a vaccine, you're not just making a choice for yourself, you're making a choice for the person sitting next to you," said Dr. Lance Rodewald, director of the CDC's Immunization Services Division.

All states have some requirement that youngsters be immunized against such childhood diseases as measles, mumps, chickenpox, diphtheria and whooping cough.

Twenty-eight states, including Hawai'i, allow parents to opt out for medical or religious reasons only. Twenty other states also allow parents to cite personal or philosophical reasons. Hawai'i is not on that list. Mississippi and West Virginia allow exemptions for medical reasons only.

From 2003 to 2007, religious exemptions for kindergartners increased, in some cases doubled or tripled, in 20 of the 28 states that allow only medical or religious exemptions, the AP found.

While some parents — Christian Scientists and certain fundamentalists, for example — have genuine religious objections to medicine, others are simply distrustful of shots. Some fear that the vaccinations themselves may make their children sick and even cause autism.

Though government-funded studies have found no link between vaccines and autism, loosely organized groups of parents and even celebrities such as radio host Don Imus have voiced concerns. Most of their furor has been about a mercury-based preservative, once used in vaccines, that some believe contributes to neurological disorders.

Unvaccinated children can spread diseases to others who are unvaccinated or those for whom vaccinations provided less-than-complete protection.

In 1991, a religious group in Philadelphia that chose not to immunize its children touched off an outbreak of measles that claimed at least eight lives and sickened more than 700 people.

And in 2005, an Indiana girl who had not been immunized picked up the measles virus at an orphanage in Romania and unknowingly brought it back to a church group. Within a month, 31 people had been infected in the nation's worst outbreak of the disease in a decade.

Rachel Magni, a 35-year-old stay-at-home mother in Newton, Mass., said she is afraid vaccines could harm her children and "overwhelm their bodies." Even though she attends a Protestant church that allows vaccinations, Magni pursued a religious exemption so her 4-year-old daughter and 1-year-old son, who have never been vaccinated, could attend preschool.

"I felt that the risk of the vaccine was worse than the risk of the actual disease," she said.

Barbara Loe Fisher, president of the National Vaccine Information Center, said she empathizes with parents tempted to claim the religious exemption that her center discourages: "If a parent has a child who has had a deterioration after vaccination and the doctor says that's just a coincidence, you have to keep vaccinating this child, what is the parent left with?"




Admittedly, I do not know the laws state to state, just my own.

MahoganySouls

No a legal exemption can be obtained by your local health department. A parent can either choose a religious or a medical exemption. Each school has the forms on file. One merely need ask for them.

Deni

These laws are only set up for kids going to actual schools anyway. Home schoolers-- like I intend to be if I ever have kids-- don't even need to worry about this. There is no law (at least in my state) that says every child has to be vaccinated... PERIOD. Only that every child entering school has to be vaccinated.

Scubascott

Vaccinations aside, why would you want to keep your kids at home? Sounds like a top notch way to make sure they never make any friends or learn any social skills.

Deni

Scubascott wrote:

Vaccinations aside, why would you want to keep your kids at home? Sounds like a top notch way to make sure they never make any friends or learn any social skills.

Just because I plan on homeschooling doesn't mean I plan on cloistering them in their rooms so they never see the light of day. And I don't plan on teaching them everything myself. (I suck at math for example.) I plan on getting them involved with community sports, music, dance, drama... and on top of that they will have play groups. I think they will have plenty of friends and I think they will learn better social skills than I did all the years I was in traditional school.

But lets not get off topic. This thread is about epigenetics NOT homeschooling and not even really vaccinations. Lets keep it focused, people.

Ahnimus

Scubascott wrote:

Vaccinations aside, why would you want to keep your kids at home? Sounds like a top notch way to make sure they never make any friends or learn any social skills.

The evidence isn't there. There is a slight increase in anti-social behavior in children who are homeschooled, but it's played down, my guess is the standard deviation is too high. What more times than not causes anti-social behavior is authoritarian parenting. If one is homeschooling their children to keep them out of the influence of peers, then that might be the case, but if it's in objection to the education system, then they might just end up illiterate. But in most case studies children who are homeschooled turn out fine.

Personally, I'd rather take the time to find a decent school. I think it's better for the child in the long run.

Ahnimus

Tetanus is caused by naturally
occurring bacteria that enter the
body through open wounds. The
bacteria cause an increased
tightening of muscles, resulting in
spasms, stiffness, and arching of the
spine. Ultimately, breathing
becomes more difficult, and spasms
occur more frequently. In the
developing world, tetanus is almost
always fatal. Worldwide, the disease
claims 410,000 lives each year.

Hepatitis B is a highly contagious
virus and is a major cause of liver
disease. More than 2 billion people
worldwide have been infected with
hepatitis B virus and 350 million are
chronic hepatitis B carriers. A
chronic carrier often shows no
symptoms but can infect others with
the virus. Hepatitis B kills almost
1 million people (usually chronic
carriers) each year.

Haemophilus influenzae type B
(Hib) is one of the leading causes
of childhood pneumonia and
bacterial meningitis. Each year Hib
claims approximately 400,000
lives around the world. Of those
that live, many face a lifetime of
disability due to the effects of the
disease, including mental
retardation and deafness.
Fortunately the disease is easily
prevented through immunization.

Measles is a highly contagious, lifethreatening
disease. The measles
virus causes fever and a painful rash
starting in the mucous membranes
and spreading from the hairline,
down the face and neck, and
throughout the body to the hands
and feet. Over 850,000 children
die each year from measles
complications such as diarrhea,
pneumonia, and encephalitis.

Pertussis (whooping cough) is a
serious lung infection that leads to
severe coughing spasms. When
victims gasp for breath, they make
a “whooping” sound, thus giving
the disease its common name.
Young children who get this
disease, particularly babies under
the age of six months, can suffer
brain damage and even death. The
pertussis bacteria that causes the
infection is highly contagious: 90
to 100 percent of susceptible
children exposed to a single
infected subject will contract the
illness. Nearly 350,000 people die
from complications relating to
whooping cough each year.

While developing countries struggle to get vaccines to children who desperately
want them, industrialized countries are facing a different challenge. Many people
in North America and Europe have become complacent about vaccines, assuming
that since certain diseases rarely appear, they are no longer a threat. Others fear
that the vaccine itself is more dangerous than the disease. These misperceptions
have caused a resurgence of highly contagious diseases such as measles,
diphtheria, and pertussis. A measles outbreak in the United States in 1989 led
to 123 deaths—ninety percent of those who died had not been vaccinated.
In England and Wales, anti-immunization groups caused parents to question
the value of pertussis vaccine in the mid-1970s. As a result, immunization rates
fell from 81 percent to 31 percent in a span of just a few years. Two epidemics
of whooping cough followed, and many children died needlessly.

Diphtheria is an infectious disease
that spreads from person to person
by coughing and sneezing. The
disease usually affects the throat
and occasionally the skin. Its
seriousness can range from a
moderately sore throat to toxic, lifethreatening
diphtheria of the larynx
or of the lower and upper
respiratory tracts. Some people
might not feel or look sick; others
might have a sore throat, fever,
chills, difficulty swallowing, or a
thick gray coating over the back of
the throat. Death most commonly
occurs when a thin film forms in
the throat that eventually blocks the
larynx, causing death by suffocation.
Ten percent of children with
diphtheria die. Today, diphtheria is
responsible for approximately 5,000
deaths per year worldwide.

In Russia, a breakdown in the immunization program in the early 1980s resulted
in a massive epidemic of diphtheria that peaked in 1995. Infections rose from
less than a thousand people in 1980 to more than fifty thousand people in
1995. Controlling the outbreak required expensive and difficult mass immunization
campaigns until the routine immunization program was functioning again.

http://www.childrensvaccine.org/files/CVP_Occ_Paper5.pdf

RolandTD20Kdrummer

I'll toss this in for interests sake...it's kinda topic related.

http://magma.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/2007-11/memory/foer-text.html

Ahnimus

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

I'll toss this in for interests sake...it's kinda topic related.

http://magma.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/2007-11/memory/foer-text.html

I've read a lot about these cases. Usually meant to support the fact that the brain is the source of our self and consciousness, our memories, desires, fears, and inhibitions. The brain is where its all at.

Marbles

Scubascott wrote:

Vaccinations aside, why would you want to keep your kids at home? Sounds like a top notch way to make sure they never make any friends or learn any social skills.

It sounds like you are stereotyping all home schoolers with thoughts of the religious separatist home schoolers. They are actually a very SMALL sub set of the HS community. Actually, there is a greater increase in anti-social behaviors in children in public schools.

Ahnimus

Marbles wrote:

Actually, there is a greater increase in anti-social behaviors in children in public schools.

I've never heard of that.

gue_barium

Ahnimus wrote:

I've never heard of that.

I'd say that is accurate. Is it a great difference? I don't know. It seems most if not all home schoolers I've encountered or seen featured in the media seem more well-adjusted, in general.

Ahnimus

gue_barium wrote:

I'd say that is accurate. Is it a great difference? I don't know. It seems most if not all home schoolers I've encountered or seen featured in the media seem more well-adjusted, in general.

I don't care what you've seen on TV.

gue_barium

Ahnimus wrote:

I don't care what you've seen on TV.

Seen/read in the paper/feature articles/radio programs. Don't recall much on the TV, but I have seen some home school featured programs here and there.

gue_barium

Oh, and yeah, I almost forgot, one set of my cousins were homeschooled for their grade school years.

Ahnimus

The best evidence I can find to support the hypothesis that public school causes anti-social behavior is a paper by Brady 2003 available in this article: http://www.nheri.org/pdfs/154B.pdf

But what Brady is suggesting is not that homeschooling per se is the trick, but "increased parental monitoring" is, which is well-known to me.

Let's understand what causes a child to become associated with negative peer influence. Clearly the negative peer influence does not come before the parent or the child's admission to public school. So what influences could lead a child to adopt negative peer influences? Some things might be, poor peer relations, i.e. social ostracization, which may be a result of anti-social behavior, or a problem with normality or authority which will incline an individual to join the fringe.

I was anti-social in highschool, not because I was in highschool. I was socially ostracized in highschool, but only because I was anti-social. I was anti-social because of very traumatic experience in my life that put me under the microscope and made me suspect of society. There is no telling what difference it would have made if I was homeschooled. I don't think there is any consensus on this within developmental psychology and I think it's rather naive to make any such assumptions on the matter.

Just as I defended homeschooling against claims of anti-social behavior, I defend public school against those same claims, because the evidence is not there.

gue_barium

Ahnimus wrote:

The best evidence I can find to support the hypothesis that public school causes anti-social behavior is a paper by Brady 2003 available in this article: http://www.nheri.org/pdfs/154B.pdf

But what Brady is suggesting is not that homeschooling per se is the trick, but "increased parental monitoring" is, which is well-known to me.

Let's understand what causes a child to become associated with negative peer influence. Clearly the negative peer influence does not come before the parent or the child's admission to public school. So what influences could lead a child to adopt negative peer influences? Some things might be, poor peer relations, i.e. social ostracization, which may be a result of anti-social behavior, or a problem with normality or authority which will incline an individual to join the fringe.

I was anti-social in highschool, not because I was in highschool. I was socially ostracized in highschool, but only because I was anti-social. I was anti-social because of very traumatic experience in my life that put me under the microscope and made me suspect of society. There is no telling what difference it would have made if I was homeschooled. I don't think there is any consensus on this within developmental psychology and I think it's rather naive to make any such assumptions on the matter.

Just as I defended homeschooling against claims of anti-social behavior, I defend public school against those same claims, because the evidence is not there.

Thank god for google, eh?

Ahnimus

gue_barium wrote:

Seen/read in the paper/feature articles/radio programs. Don't recall much on the TV, but I have seen some home school featured programs here and there.

Crack out the citations.