Epigenetics

Jeanie

Ahnimus wrote:

What I've been reading is that antihistmaines act on H1 histamine receptors, there are also H2, H3, and H4 histamine receptors. I've also read that all anthistamines permeate the blood-brain barrier. H1 receptors are invovled in vasodilation, bronchoconstriction, smooth muscle activation, separation of endothelial cells (responsible for hives), and pain and itching due to insect stings; the primary receptors involved in allergic rhinitis symptoms and motion sickness. But, I haven't found which histamine receptors are involved in metabolism.

**yawn** sorry. (so tired) I can't believe I actually understood that.
and I've not read the article, but wouldn't it be possible that if the antihistimine are blocking the body's natural reaction to a "threat" and supressing the receptors and action of all the cells involved that this would then cause the body to react in some other way to that blocking? I mean even if we are not as yet aware of it? I'm not saying that it would effect metabolism specifically, but it seems that it is all one chemical reaction after another, so one has to wonder if you block one thing if this doesn't then set the body off on another tangent? Probably making no sense. I'm just musing "aloud".

baraka

Jeanie wrote:

Well I doubt they make you stupid, perhaps they just make you look stupid?

When I was in high school, I had my boyfriend 'take care of' a wasp that was in my bathroom. Well, he left it half dead on the floor. When I got out of the shower I stepped on it. My foot was so swollen, so my mom gave me 3 benadryls. I swear I had an out of body experience. I would close my eyes and it felt like I floating to the ceiling. High levels of benadryl are no joke!

Jeanie

baraka wrote:

When I was in high school, I had my boyfriend 'take care of' a wasp that was in my bathroom. Well, he left it half dead on the floor. When I got out of the shower I stepped on it. My foot was so swollen, so my mom gave me 3 benadryls. I swear I had an out of body experience. I would close my eyes and it felt like I floating to the ceiling. High levels of benadryl are no joke!

See and right there I read that as you had a stupid boyfriend!
I mean what idiot leaves a half dead wasp or bee on the floor when there are allergic folk about? I'm kidding! But seriously my point was there's nothing stupid about you girl, you just have little hiccup moments like the rest of us. And medication will certainly effect that.

MahoganySouls

baraka wrote:

MahoganySouls, I'm curious, what kind of 'studies' have you performed in your role as a 'medical professional'? Did you perform professional research in this area? Are you against ALL immunizations?

"studies" as in learning, taking of knowledge, reading actual statistics etc. Nothing really to be "curious" about. What is it you really want to say?

MahoganySouls

baraka wrote:

All pediatric vaccines in the routine infant immunization schedule are manufactured without thimerosal as a preservative as of 2003, I believe.

From the CDC: http://www.cdc.gov/od/science/iso/thimerosal.htm

"Today, with the exception of some Influenza (flu) vaccines, none of the vaccines used in the U.S. to protect preschool children against 12 infectious diseases contain thimerosal as a preservative."

First of all, no not all...some still do contain it. Also, it was merely replaced in other imms with different preservatives. The fact remains. Imms are not healthy. They overload the body, esp the liver and spleen because of multiples given together. They also innundate a babies developing immune system. Babies do not need these at such an early age due to the natural protection they have from their mothers at birth. Starting infants as young as one day old with Hep B vaccine is unsafe, irrational and uncalled for.

Try doing the research yourself and see what you come up with. Don't rely blindly on the info given to you via the doctors office. Those preprinted info sheets come directly from the vaccine manufacturers.

Ahnimus

Don't trust the CDC Baraka, they manufactured HIV!

It's all a conspiracy to convince us we have no free-will and keep us dumbed down and conformists. It's all part of the biblical prophecies as revealed by graphology. Bigfoot is real! He just teleports to and from his home dimension at will. We didn't come from monkeys, we came from God, fossils and DNA evidence are just to test our faith. No one has ever been to the moon, the ancients were right, the sky is just a big black spaghetti strainer with the light of God on the other side.

Ahnimus

I know this because I know, if you don't know this then you don't know. It's not a problem with my knowledge, it's a problem with your knowledge. I don't need citations, facts and links, because I know what I know and I know you don't know. That's all I need to know.

Ahnimus

What? Yo, they challenge me to a sanctioned event, it went quick with the skunk, yea, love 0-6, top-spin smashes stops them dead in their tracks, you see the way I relax is winning ping-pong matches.

Jeanie

^^ You getting frustrated love?

Hope you're not getting uptight about me and what I think I know because the older I get the more I know that I know nothing!

But I would like to continue to struggle along trying to wade through all the science to a better understanding.

baraka

MahoganySouls wrote:

"studies" as in learning, taking of knowledge, reading actual statistics etc. Nothing really to be "curious" about. What is it you really want to say?

Well, OK........ Frankly, I find it a bit disturbing that someone who professes to be in health care would hold such a reckless and dangerous view, ie being against all vaccinations. I only pray that you do not mislead folks that come to you for professional opinions, because most in the health care field would view discouraging vaccinations as, well, incompetence. Firstly, there are a lot of folks that are susceptible/gullible to the proliferation of misinformation and flat-out conspiracy theory type stuff posted all over the internet (it seems they find it easier to learn the misinformation than to unlearn it in the face of more credible facts). And second, the huge success of vaccinations are their own downfall..people have never seen a polio outbreak, a case of tetanus toxicity, or known someone rendered sterile by mumps.This kind of ignorance puts everyone in danger. This is a public health issue that not only affects you, but the person sitting next to you.

A big risk is that once an outbreak occurs among the unvaccinated, it then gives that disease organism an opportunity to multiply rapidly, which leaves open opportunity for more mutations to render the organism sufficiently changed to then infect even the vaccinated.

baraka

MahoganySouls wrote:

First of all, no not all...some still do contain it. Also, it was merely replaced in other imms with different preservatives. The fact remains. Imms are not healthy. They overload the body, esp the liver and spleen because of multiples given together. They also innundate a babies developing immune system. Babies do not need these at such an early age due to the natural protection they have from their mothers at birth. Starting infants as young as one day old with Hep B vaccine is unsafe, irrational and uncalled for.

Try doing the research yourself and see what you come up with. Don't rely blindly on the info given to you via the doctors office. Those preprinted info sheets come directly from the vaccine manufacturers.

Um, I am actively involved in this field, even did a stint at the CDC in my undergrad days, I've worked with some of the best in the field. I'm curious where you obtain your info from. Perhaps you could link us to some peer reviewed papers backing your claims. My research does not come from quacks or conspiracy theory websites, but published results. Show me a peer reviewed paper backing your claims. And it is ridiculous to suggest that babies have a natural defense from diseases, such as whooping cough, measles, etc. What an uneducated statement!

Ahnimus

Jeanie wrote:

^^ You getting frustrated love?

Hope you're not getting uptight about me and what I think I know because the older I get the more I know that I know nothing!

But I would like to continue to struggle along trying to wade through all the science to a better understanding.

I'm just bored. It's my sixth work day in a row and it's boring. I'll be here for another two hours, then I'm home playing Wii.

I got this DVD from HHMI called "2000 and Beyond: The Microbe Menace" that covers the future of infectious diseases. I haven't watched it yet, but it looks interesting. It can be viewed online here http://www.hhmi.org/biointeractive/disease/lectures.html

baraka

MahoganySouls wrote:

First of all, no not all...some still do contain it.

Wrong, thimerosal was removed from all vaccinations with the exception of some flu shots as of 2003. Did you not look at the CDC link I provided? I will provide it again for you reading enjoyment.

I have to say, of all the discussions I've been involved in on AMT, this one really boils my blood. I can not stress the danger of misinformation like this. Over a year ago, three people in Indiana were hospitalized last year after a 17-year-old girl carried measles back from Romania. It spread to 34 people because many in her community had refused to be vaccinated due to an irrational fear spread by misinformation.

MahoganySouls

baraka wrote:

Well, OK........ Frankly, I find it a bit disturbing that someone who professes to be in health care would hold such a reckless and dangerous view, ie being against all vaccinations. I only pray that you do not mislead folks that come to you for professional opinions, because most in the health care field would view discouraging vaccinations as, well, incompetence. Firstly, there are a lot of folks that are susceptible/gullible to the proliferation of misinformation and flat-out conspiracy theory type stuff posted all over the internet (it seems they find it easier to learn the misinformation than to unlearn it in the face of more credible facts). And second, the huge success of vaccinations are their own downfall..people have never seen a polio outbreak, a case of tetanus toxicity, or known someone rendered sterile by mumps.This kind of ignorance puts everyone in danger. This is a public health issue that not only affects you, but the person sitting next to you.

A big risk is that once an outbreak occurs among the unvaccinated, it then gives that disease organism an opportunity to multiply rapidly, which leaves open opportunity for more mutations to render the organism sufficiently changed to then infect even the vaccinated.

I'm sorry that you are disturbed, but the fact remains, many in the medical field are seeing the truth in vaccines. It is very similar to the course change antibiotics took from our generation to our childrens. When we were kids, antibiotics were given for every little ailment. We now know that this has caused a significant drop in effectiveness and has aided in the creation of super strains of virus and bacteria.

What is truly a disservice to patients is to not inform them fully. Anyone who lives in a major country like the US or Australia are not at significant risk for diseases of the past such as polio, whooping cough, smallpox etc. Things like Hep B vaccine only treats one strain in the family of Hepatitis. Same with the new HPV vaccine being pushed on preteen girls. Flu vaccine only treats the strain of flu that is "expected" to be strongest in the next season. The list goes on and on.

Vaccine necessity is a fallicy in todays society. Unless you are traveling to a third world country where major communicable disease is highly likely to be contracted, children and babies do not need to be immunized.

If a person chooses to vaccinate their child, at the very least they should do single immunizations. Not multiple. They should also highly weigh the dangers vs. the risks of contracting unseen diseases such as polio or diptheria. The rest also need careful evaluation as to exposure rates. How often will a child actually come into a risk for acquiring hepatitis or measles and mumps. The chickenpox vaccine is one of the newer ones that again has very little merit behind it. Chickenpox was a rite of passage for centuries. With very few people developing significant problems from it or dying. But now parents are pushed with scare tactics to get their kids immunized against this very minor disease. With I might add, a huge breathrough rate. So again I ask you, do the risks outweight the complications or possibility of disease.

MahoganySouls

baraka wrote:

Wrong, thimerosal was removed from all vaccinations with the exception of some flu shots as of 2003. Did you not look at the CDC link I provided? I will provide it again for you reading enjoyment.

I have to say, of all the discussions I've been involved in on AMT, this one really boils my blood. I can not stress the danger of misinformation like this. Over a year ago, three people in Indiana were hospitalized last year after a 17-year-old girl carried measles back from Romania. It spread to 34 people because many in her community had refused to be vaccinated due to an irrational fear spread by misinformation.

LOL I do not need to "look at the information you provided" because I do this for a living. I have and continue to read pretty much every article out there. This is a topic of disucssion regularly had between colleagues. Who do you think you are? The misinformation comes from those like you who refuse to see beyond what you are force fed.

Jeanie

Ahnimus wrote:

I'm just bored. It's my sixth work day in a row and it's boring. I'll be here for another two hours, then I'm home playing Wii.

I got this DVD from HHMI called "2000 and Beyond: The Microbe Menace" that covers the future of infectious diseases. I haven't watched it yet, but it looks interesting. It can be viewed online here http://www.hhmi.org/biointeractive/disease/lectures.html

Yeah, how embarrassment, I got no clue about these Wii thingies.

But 6 days of work would suck! :(

Are we talking infectious like streptococci, meningicocci and staphlococous or like those scary superbug f**kers that are coming for us all? :eek:

Thanks for the link.

Ahnimus

I watched a two hour long documentary about the efficacy of vaccines and the harmful side-effects. The documentary was bias against vaccination, claiming it caused autism and so on, some statistical evidence was provided, but afterwards I remained unconvinced.

This thread right now looks like that documentary, without the evidence.

baraka

MahoganySouls wrote:

I'm sorry that you are disturbed, but the fact remains, many in the medical field are seeing the truth in vaccines. It is very similar to the course change antibiotics took from our generation to our childrens. When we were kids, antibiotics were given for every little ailment. We now know that this has caused a significant drop in effectiveness and has aided in the creation of super strains of virus and bacteria.

What is truly a disservice to patients is to not inform them fully. Anyone who lives in a major country like the US or Australia are not at significant risk for diseases of the past such as polio, whooping cough, smallpox etc. Things like Hep B vaccine only treats one strain in the family of Hepatitis. Same with the new HPV vaccine being pushed on preteen girls. Flu vaccine only treats the strain of flu that is "expected" to be strongest in the next season. The list goes on and on.

Vaccine necessity is a fallicy in todays society. Unless you are traveling to a third world country where major communicable disease is highly likely to be contracted, children and babies do not need to be immunized.

If a person chooses to vaccinate their child, at the very least they should do single immunizations. Not multiple. They should also highly weigh the dangers vs. the risks of contracting unseen diseases such as polio or diptheria. The rest also need careful evaluation as to exposure rates. How often will a child actually come into a risk for acquiring hepatitis or measles and mumps. The chickenpox vaccine is one of the newer ones that again has very little merit behind it. Chickenpox was a rite of passage for centuries. With very few people developing significant problems from it or dying. But now parents are pushed with scare tactics to get their kids immunized against this very minor disease. With I might add, a huge breathrough rate. So again I ask you, do the risks outweight the complications or possibility of disease.

To answer your last question, the risk of a vaccination is miniscule compared to the alternative. I gave you an example of an outbreak earlier and also told you how the unvaccinated can place the health of others at risk. Here are some more cases for you.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5500100

"A measles outbreak in Boston is showing how the global economy opens opportunities for one of the world's most contagious viruses. Disease detectives say a computer programmer from India brought the virus to Boston's tallest office tower. The outbreak reveals that millions of Americans in their 30s and 40s are vulnerable to measles, even though they were vaccinated years ago."

A link to the case I provided earlier: http://infectious-diseases.jwatch.org/cgi/content/full/2006/802/1

"Although 30 million measles cases occur annually worldwide, endemic disease was eliminated from the U.S. in 2000, principally due to widespread use of measles vaccine. In 2005, a measles outbreak involving at least 34 persons occurred in Indiana, where 98% of school-age children have received the recommended two doses of vaccine.

The index case was an unvaccinated 17-year-old girl who had traveled on a church mission to a Romanian orphanage and was incubating measles upon her return. The next day, while experiencing prodromal symptoms, she attended a large church gathering. Thirty-three additional people subsequently developed measles in three generations of spread; disease was confirmed by laboratory studies, or by epidemiologic linkage to a laboratory-confirmed case and presence of the characteristic rash and ≥2 associated symptoms. Measles virus, isolated from six patients, belonged to a genotype (D4) known to be endemic in Romania. Thirty of the measles patients (88%) were <20 years old; of these, 20 (67%) were home-schooled. Thirty-two patients (94%) had not received vaccine, and three (9%) required hospitalization. Interviews with six families that had declined vaccination revealed concerns related to media reports of the vaccine’s dangers (e.g., a postulated association with autism, and perceived adverse effects of the vaccine preservative thimerosal). Public health measures contained the outbreak, at a cost of $167,685.

Comment: Failure to vaccinate, not vaccine failure, facilitated this measles outbreak. False claims about the risks of measles vaccine, abetted by media coverage, led parents to decline vaccination for their children. Enhanced communication strategies concerning measles vaccine are needed if future measles outbreaks are to be prevented."

The scare tactics are the ones perpetrated by those against vaccinations. And they can lead to terrible consequences. There is a reason we do not see these kind of diseases in large numbers in the States and elsewhere...............vaccinations. I mentioned earlier that the success rate of said vaccinations might be their downfall and help fuel the conspiracy theories.

MahoganySouls

baraka wrote:

Um, I am actively involved in this field, even did a stint at the CDC in my undergrad days, I've worked with some of the best in the field. I'm curious where you obtain your info from. Perhaps you could link us to some peer reviewed papers backing your claims. My research does not come from quacks or conspiracy theory websites, but published results. Show me a peer reviewed paper backing your claims. And it is ridiculous to suggest that babies have a natural defense from diseases, such as whooping cough, measles, etc. What an uneducated statement!

OK, try looking up Dr. Sherry Tenpenny. She has written quite a bit on this topic and travels extensively to discuss this with colleagues. To educate the public.

Or Dr. David Ayoub. He has exposed the growing amount of scientific evidence between vaccines and neurodevelopmental disorders through papers, lectures and conferences.

Or maybe in your "extensive research" you have read the article which I happen to have a link for regarding the FDA's knowledge that Gardisil does not actually protect against cervical cancer yet approved it anyways.
http://www.nmaseminars.com/files/Gardasi_%20NOT_PROVEN_to_prevent_cancer.doc

You must also be aware of the research done by Dr. Vera Schribner and her video "Vaccination...the hidden truth".

The list goes on and on. Anti-immz organizations are popping up left and right. The info is getting out and doctors are picking up on it. The holistic approach is becoming more and more prominent in the field of medicine.

baraka

MahoganySouls wrote:

LOL I do not need to "look at the information you provided" because I do this for a living. I have and continue to read pretty much every article out there. This is a topic of disucssion regularly had between colleagues. Who do you think you are? The misinformation comes from those like you who refuse to see beyond what you are force fed.

What is your field? One of mine is the area of microbiology, immunology, and virology. I have actively participated in the studies and research. What I know is what I have learned in my profession through research I have participated in. You have not provided anything here bu your opinion, no links to papers or otherwise.