Epigenetics

Ahnimus

I love this show.

This segment is from the second episode of House and about baby vaccination.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsK7Jt-xma4

Ahnimus

If you guys are in the field. Why don't you cite FDA papers? Instead of cancerweb or whatever.

http://www.fda.gov/cber/label/hpvmer040307LB.pdf

GARDASIL was efficacious against HPV disease caused by each of the 4 vaccine HPV types.
In a pre-defined analysis, the efficacy of GARDASIL against HPV 16/18-related disease was 100% (95% CI: 87.9%, 100.0%) for CIN 3 or AIS and 100% (95% CI: 55.5%, 100.0%) for VIN 2/3 or VaIN 2/3. The efficacy of GARDASIL against HPV 6-, 11-, 16-, and 18-related VIN 1 or VaIN 1 was 100% (95% CI: 75.8%, 100.0%). These analyses were conducted in the PPE population that consisted of individuals who received all 3 vaccinations within 1 year of enrollment, did not have major deviations from the study protocol, and were naïve (PCR negative and seronegative) to the relevant HPV type(s) (Types 6, 11, 16, and 18) prior to dose 1 and through 1 month Postdose 3 (Month 7).

baraka

MahoganySouls wrote:

OK, try looking up Dr. Sherry Tenpenny. She has written quite a bit on this topic and travels extensively to discuss this with colleagues. To educate the public.

Or Dr. David Ayoub. He has exposed the growing amount of scientific evidence between vaccines and neurodevelopmental disorders through papers, lectures and conferences.

Or maybe in your "extensive research" you have read the article which I happen to have a link for regarding the FDA's knowledge that Gardisil does not actually protect against cervical cancer yet approved it anyways.
http://www.nmaseminars.com/files/Gardasi_%20NOT_PROVEN_to_prevent_cancer.doc

You must also be aware of the research done by Dr. Vera Schribner and her video "Vaccination...the hidden truth".

The list goes on and on. Anti-immz organizations are popping up left and right. The info is getting out and doctors are picking up on it. The holistic approach is becoming more and more prominent in the field of medicine.

It is true that Gardasil does not protect against all types of HPV, so it will not prevent all cervical cancer. But to say it doesn't protect against cervical cancer at all is a fallacy. Forgive me for my bias, but I tend to side more with CDC and the majority of those in the field.

Also, I am not against holistic approaches at all. What I am against is someone who claims to be in health care proclaiming that ALL vaccinations are unnecessary. This is reckless and dangerous for all the reasons I've given earlier.

baraka

Ahnimus wrote:

If you guys are in the field. Why don't you cite FDA papers? Instead of cancerweb or whatever.

http://www.fda.gov/cber/label/hpvmer040307LB.pdf

GARDASIL was efficacious against HPV disease caused by each of the 4 vaccine HPV types.
In a pre-defined analysis, the efficacy of GARDASIL against HPV 16/18-related disease was 100% (95% CI: 87.9%, 100.0%) for CIN 3 or AIS and 100% (95% CI: 55.5%, 100.0%) for VIN 2/3 or VaIN 2/3. The efficacy of GARDASIL against HPV 6-, 11-, 16-, and 18-related VIN 1 or VaIN 1 was 100% (95% CI: 75.8%, 100.0%). These analyses were conducted in the PPE population that consisted of individuals who received all 3 vaccinations within 1 year of enrollment, did not have major deviations from the study protocol, and were naïve (PCR negative and seronegative) to the relevant HPV type(s) (Types 6, 11, 16, and 18) prior to dose 1 and through 1 month Postdose 3 (Month 7).

I guess the FDA is part of the conspiracy :rolleyes:

MahoganySouls

Oh and I forgot...
here is a link that lists all the nasty little ingredients you routinely inject into your children when you allow them to get vaccines. Notice that this is a 2007 CDC listing. It is officially entitled the Excipient and Media Summary.

http://users.adelphia.net/~cdc/MSDSwithVaxInsertInfo.pdf
or here
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/B/excipient-table-2.pdf

Hmmm...lets evaluate one major multiple dose vaccine a child gets starting at age 2 months.....

DTP, TDaP, DTaP: has aluminum hydroxide, aluminum phosphate, formaldehyde, gelatin, glutaraldehyde, hydrochloric acid, neomycin, phenoxyethanol, phosphate buffers, polymixin B, polysorbate 80, note the trace amounts of thermerosal still in vaccines.

I couldn't find this link before, but dug it up ...I love this breakdown it is much easier to read. It also offers the manufacturers information and breaks the ingredients down nicely. I have another somewhere I will have to scan in that tells what each of these ingredients does and its side effects. Of course you could always look this up for yourselves. But Baraka has problems doing that so I thought it would be easier to do it for her. Although I am suprised that as a "professional" in this field that she doesn't know this info already.
http://www.informedchoice.info/cocktail.html

Ahnimus

baraka wrote:

I guess the FDA is part of the conspiracy :rolleyes:

Yea, watch out for that Robert Gallo too, that guy is a conspirator.

baraka

MahoganySouls wrote:

Oh and I forgot...
here is a link that lists all the nasty little ingredients you routinely inject into your children when you allow them to get vaccines. Notice that this is a 2007 CDC listing. It is officially entitled the Excipient and Media Summary.

http://users.adelphia.net/~cdc/MSDSwithVaxInsertInfo.pdf
or here
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/B/excipient-table-2.pdf

Hmmm...lets evaluate one major multiple dose vaccine a child gets starting at age 2 months.....

DTP, TDaP, DTaP: has aluminum hydroxide, aluminum phosphate, formaldehyde, gelatin, glutaraldehyde, hydrochloric acid, neomycin, phenoxyethanol, phosphate buffers, polymixin B, polysorbate 80, note the trace amounts of thermerosal still in vaccines.

I couldn't find this link before, but dug it up ...I love this breakdown it is much easier to read. It also offers the manufacturers information and breaks the ingredients down nicely. I have another somewhere I will have to scan in that tells what each of these ingredients does and its side effects. Of course you could always look this up for yourselves. But Baraka has problems doing that so I thought it would be easier to do it for her. Although I am suprised that as a "professional" in this field that she doesn't know this info already.
http://www.informedchoice.info/cocktail.html

Nice try, I have posted several links, links that you have failed to understand, and it is obvious you have also failed to understand the links you just provided. Look at those links again pertaining to thimerosal. Also I will note, that even though thimerosal has been removed from most vaccinations, there was never proven link to adverse affects, it was basically removed to appease the concerns of the general public. Again, you are just crying wolf here, with no credible sources or studies to back up your claims.

The FDA & CDC does NOT claim there are no risks with vaccinations. But again the risks have been proven to be miniscule. So what is the alternative? To revive horrible communicable diseases? Sorry, I'll take my chances with the vaccinations. Some links for the rest that might be interested. I know you stated earlier that you don't need to read the evidence.

The CDC site is a good source and one can find all substances listed in vaccinations. The CDC & FDA do not hide any of the info.

http://www.cdc.gov/od/science/iso/thimerosal.htm

The FDA site pertaining to your scare tactic above:

http://www.fda.gov/fdac/features/095_vacc.html

General issue of vaccination safety:

http://www.cdc.gov/od/science/iso/

A nice article dispelling a concern about MMR, one of the childhood immunizations:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,1429115,00.html

More info from on of my favorite sources concerning autisim research with vaccinations since I think that this is where you are going with your propaganda:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=15877763&query_hl=1

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=15858952&query_hl=1

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=15366972&query_hl=12

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=12421889&query_hl=12

MahoganySouls

you are a fake and a dangerous one at that.
Thimerosal has no adverse reactions????? Are you serious?
I suppose you let your kids play with mercury too!

baraka

MahoganySouls wrote:

you are a fake and a dangerous one at that.
Thimerosal has no adverse reactions????? Are you serious?
I suppose you let your kids play with mercury too!

Projecting are we?

baraka

MahoganySouls wrote:

you are a fake and a dangerous one at that.
Thimerosal has no adverse reactions????? Are you serious?
I suppose you let your kids play with mercury too!

Oh, and I'm not the one advocating that folks not get vaccinated or get their children vaccinated. And by adverse affects, I meant Autism.

baraka

This is a good link with straight up facts, the good and the bad. A snip to clarify my statement about thirmersal.

"Almost all of those infected had previously refused the vaccine for fear of side-effects, the researchers said. Some groups say vaccines preserved with a mercury compound called thimerosal can cause autism and other disorders.

The U.S. Institute of Medicine says studies show no link with autism, but media reports and campaigns by the anti-thimerosal groups persist. The ingredient has been removed from all U.S. childhood vaccines except the flu vaccine."
http://www.healing-arts.org/children/vaccines/vaccines-rubeola.htm

Whew, now I'm off to bed........

Marbles

MahoganySouls wrote:

no it is not...but Autism is not that simply diagnosed.

YOU, my dear, have not brought non-verbal children into a pediatric office, I would suppose!

MahoganySouls

baraka wrote:

This is a good link with straight up facts, the good and the bad. A snip to clarify my statement about thirmersal.

"Almost all of those infected had previously refused the vaccine for fear of side-effects, the researchers said. Some groups say vaccines preserved with a mercury compound called thimerosal can cause autism and other disorders.

The U.S. Institute of Medicine says studies show no link with autism, but media reports and campaigns by the anti-thimerosal groups persist. The ingredient has been removed from all U.S. childhood vaccines except the flu vaccine."
http://www.healing-arts.org/children/vaccines/vaccines-rubeola.htm

Whew, now I'm off to bed........

hmmm...I wonder why then the same FDA organization that claims mercury poisoning via thimerosal is not linked to Autism or other illnesses, routinely advises pregnant women and children against ingesting fish due to mercury levels. It seems the "safe" exposure to such substances is extremely low.

Such a conundrum.

Ahnimus

MahoganySouls wrote:

you are a fake and a dangerous one at that.
Thimerosal has no adverse reactions????? Are you serious?
I suppose you let your kids play with mercury too!

I played with mercury when I was a kid. Fun stuff.

MahoganySouls

Marbles wrote:

YOU, my dear, have not brought non-verbal children into a pediatric office, I would suppose!

What exactly is your point? What are you trying to say?

Deni

Mestophar wrote:

Your life has so many barriers, its hard to believe it is possible for you to exist at all...

Quit feeling sorry for yourself and have the courage to say NO to diagnosis of adhd and your genes keeping you fat.

Just because I am educated about my health and my body should in no way imply that I at any point in time feel sorry for myself. I take full responsibility for my own health. But if you really think that people never get sick and that there is no such thing as disease that can make people unhealthy... well... that's just ignorant. And I feel sorry for you.

But God! You must be the most healthy person on the planet. And if you get sick I'll be the first one to point my finger and say... Stop dying of cancer you fucking moron and take personal responsibility for your own health!

PS. Welcome to my ignore list asshole. I really don't have time in my busy life to deal with you. I've got an exercise class to go to.

Deni

Ahnimus wrote:

Syndrome X was discussed in the HHMI lecture, but I don't recall PCOS being mentioned. It sounds common, I thought PWS was the most common occuring 1 in 12,000 to 15,000 people.

I didn't mean to mislead you Ahnimus. When I said that Syndrome X was the most common I was specifically talking about metabolic conditions associated with both PCOS and Diabetes. I wasn't trying to imply that it was the most common genetic condition associated with obesity.

PCOS is the leading cause of infertility in women though. It's really the hidden epidemic. Some studies show that 1 in 10 women have it.

Deni

Marbles wrote:

Well, when I was a kid, there was autism. Now, there is autism spectrum disorder, PDD and lots of other made up bullshit. Real autism is a REAL problem. Not being 85% social, 15% intellectual doesn't make you "on the spectrum", it makes you an engineer! I've seen both.

First of all not being social and being really smart are 2 of MANY symptoms of Autism. But they are not the only 2. And as far as I can tell the primary sign of Autism is verbal... or more specifically being non-verbal. And being developmentally delayed--and that in no way means retarded. My mom just went for training on Autism (she's a child therapist). We talked about some of this stuff, but I can't say I know too much about it. That's basically the extent of my knowledge.

Marbles wrote:

Yes, I know that there are metabolic differences between people. I tend to gain weight, my sister has to fight to keep from losing weight. Full blooded relations, just different metabolisms.

What has changed to make the younger generation the heaviest in ages? Lifestyle! Kids get little to no exercise. I'll put a lot of blame on AC and TV. Now that it is comfortable in the house in the summer, who wants to go outside? Sit and play a video game, play on the computer, or watch one of a billion TV channels. Moronic parents even put TV's in kids' rooms! Another problem? The sensationalist media. When shown pictures, more people would recognize Jon Bennet Ramsey than would recognize Dick Cheney! This is one little kid, probably killed by her own family, but none the less, one crime, in one neighborhood, yet everyone heard about it, and saw it, and blah, blah, blah! The sensationalist media has scared the hell out of most parents. The ones who don't understand math, so they have no idea how small the chances of anything actually happening to their kid are. Since the parents are afraid, the kids can't ever PLAY. The parents probably roamed the neighborhood for hours at a time, their parents having no real idea where they were, or what they were doing. Sure, the parents sign the kids up for activities, like martial arts, one day per week, for 45 minutes, but exercise wise, that doesn't compare to spending 4 hours playing every conceivable outdoor game with the neighborhood kids, or riding bikes for a few hours. Marry the massive reduction of exercise with the horrible increase in the percentage of grains and sugars as staples of the diet, leading to blood sugar surges and crashes, and insulin issues, of course kid are getting fat! My kids aren't fat. They play outside. They don't eat a bunch of crap. No freaking fruit roll-up crap. They eat real foods, not Frankenfoods. Take away the juice, and give the kid a piece of fruit. Far lower in calories, and actually has fiber and nutrients.

Do we evolve and change in response to our environment? Yes, of course we do. Are all of the maladies of today things that we can blame our grandparents for? NO! People need to stand up, and be accountable for themselves, NOW! What happens to you isn't all what was put upon you, beyond your control! You CAN control your surroundings to a far greater degree than you may want to bother with. Push away from the table. Put down the sugary soda, eat some real food, and get some darn exercise. Read a book to exercise your brain.

Okay. I would like to clarify something. I know that kids are getting fat because of a high fat diets and sedentary lifestyle. I'm not trying to deny that. But that is not the issue here. At least that's not what I'm talking about. Let me reiterate that what I'm referring to is specifically people who eat right and exercise (like I do) and who still cling to weight and can't lose it-- then I think there must be a genetic or medical reason for that. And I don't believe its something every person can control, not necessarily. Not all the time.

baraka

MahoganySoul, nobody in the medical profession is suggesting that safer vaccinations are not the way to go. Also, no one is suggesting that studies on questionable preservatives, such as thimersal should not take place. They did and although results were not conclusive, it was still a good idea to remove it from most vaccinations, esp the ones that pertain to children. Also, we have moved toward a single dose method where such preservatives will not be necessary.

We should absolutely study and research possible & potential causal links between environmental exposure and disease. And such research has been performed and will continue to be performed to ensure our safety.Keep in mind those of us in the profession also have children and want the safest vaccinations for them.

I don't question your concerns at all. We should ask questions and research the answers. The folks in this area are doing just that. What I took issue with is your absolute statement recommending children should not be vaccinated at all. That is a bit reckless by any medical professionals standard. In your initial post that I first responded to, I found much truth there. Hell, I would probably agree as to when certain vaccinations should take place, etc. Also, since vaccinations are mandated by law in most states, we better be damn sure these things pose little risk.

I really think, like I stated earlier, that one of the downfalls of vaccinations is their success rate. We have not had to experience the horrors of polio, pertussis, etc. I had a childhood friend that died from something thought of quite mild back in the day, chickenpox.

Deni

baraka wrote:

MahoganySoul, nobody in the medical profession is suggesting that safer vaccinations are not the way to go. Also, no one is suggesting that studies on questionable preservatives, such as thimersal should not take place. They did and although results were not conclusive, it was still a good idea to remove it from most vaccinations, esp the ones that pertain to children. Also, we have moved toward a single dose method where such preservatives will not be necessary.

We should absolutely study and research possible & potential causal links between environmental exposure and disease. And such research has been performed and will continue to be performed to ensure our safety.Keep in mind those of us in the profession also have children and want the safest vaccinations for them.

I don't question your concerns at all. We should ask questions and research the answers. The folks in this area are doing just that. What I took issue with is your absolute statement recommending children should not be vaccinated at all. That is a bit reckless by any medical professionals standard. In your initial post that I first responded to, I found much truth there. Hell, I would probably agree as to when certain vaccinations should take place, etc. Also, since vaccinations are mandated by law in most states, we better be damn sure these things pose little risk.

I really think, like I stated earlier, that one of the downfalls of vaccinations is their success rate. We have not had to experience the horrors of polio, pertussis, etc. I had a childhood friend that died from something thought of quite mild back in the day, chickenpox.

I agree with you Baraka, but I still don't want my children vaccinated until I can be personally assured, and I just don't see that happening. I will not let anybody put mercury into my baby. And until there is a safe vaccine then I'm not going to risk it. And how will I know if there is a safe vaccine? Do I trust doctors who told me the last ones were safe? This is just something that really scares me. And I don't even have kids... yet.

*edited for typo*