Trouble With Atheism

onelongsong

Ahnimus wrote:

Umm, the ancient texts from Sumer are just like the ancient hebrew texts you base your faith on. It's not science, but an example of another human creation.

at least once a week i say that religion was created by man in his quest for power. my beliefs are based on experience. nothing else.
i'm only comparing science to religion. both created by man and both flawed.

Ahnimus

onelongsong wrote:

at least once a week i say that religion was created by man in his quest for power. my beliefs are based on experience. nothing else.
i'm only comparing science to religion. both created by man and both flawed.

Is there any theory superior to science?

If we say that as humans which are flawed, and understanding we create is ultimately flawed, then I ask, what is the best or least flawed method of understanding, and my answer is science.

onelongsong

Ahnimus wrote:

Fair enough, but operationally the current knowledge stands as fact and for all intents and purposes it is right.

agreed; until technology advances and possibly proves it wrong.
as has been done throughout history.

onelongsong

Ahnimus wrote:

Is there any theory superior to science?

If we say that as humans which are flawed, and understanding we create is ultimately flawed, then I ask, what is the best or least flawed method of understanding, and my answer is science.

i believe science proves the existence of God; so you're asking the wrong person if you want the answer you want to hear.

Ahnimus

onelongsong wrote:

agreed; until technology advances and possibly proves it wrong.
as has been done throughout history.

Well, you aren't going to find proof that computers don't work, because quite obviously they do or we wouldn't be having this discusison. Computers were developed through scientific understanding and logic.

They are just one clear example of science being so damn good that it's not likely to prove it's self wrong in the future.

Ahnimus

onelongsong wrote:

i believe science proves the existence of God; so you're asking the wrong person if you want the answer you want to hear.

How does science prove the existence of God?

onelongsong

Ahnimus wrote:

Well, you aren't going to find proof that computers don't work, because quite obviously they do or we wouldn't be having this discusison. Computers were developed through scientific understanding and logic.

They are just one clear example of science being so damn good that it's not likely to prove it's self wrong in the future.

so computers don't advance? are you saying a 10 year old computer is the same as a new one? that's crazy. computers advance every day. bill gates once said that 500 mb will be all the memory a personal computer will ever need.
you brought a perfect example of how technology advances.

onelongsong

Ahnimus wrote:

How does science prove the existence of God?

why do you ask me complex questions at the end of the day?

in a sentence; matter cannot be created from nothing. thus; science proves how God made us to be self supporting.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Ahnimus wrote:

That may be one goal, but they are also interested in the discovery of Gravitrons and the further analysis of quarks and gluons. What they've seen at Fermilab is black-hole type stuff. When they smash the particles together they don't seperate into pieces as one would expect, they stick to each other and stretch like a glue, hence the name gluons. The whole process lasts a fraction of a second, it's believed that some black-hole type effect consumes the entire reaction.

Basically they're creating precise replicas of the big bang at will. We'll be able to anlayze and study exactly what happened at the point of all creation we can physically observe from the "smallest" to the "largest".

It's like watching our part or "cross section" of the universe being born from various angles of perception and study.

The universe (to my understanding) is a constant flow of gases (mainly hydrogen) compressing under pressure, igniting into "stars", then exploding ....again and again and everywhere. It's a closed loop cycle of renewal.

Have you seen these? check em out.
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/335005/the_grand_scheme_of_things/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nroo-i8t8vg

gue_barium

Ahnimus wrote:

Is there any theory superior to science?

If we say that as humans which are flawed, and understanding we create is ultimately flawed, then I ask, what is the best or least flawed method of understanding, and my answer is science.

I like Nature, myself. Of course, is Nature even a theory? Through nature came man and his science.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Ahnimus wrote:

Well light is apparently massless. But I have a problem with that theory. It contradicts with black-hole theory that suggests the gravitational force of a black-hole is great enough to asborb light, and we know gravity is based on mass. So in order for a black-hole to absorb light, the light must have a mass.

This is all unkowns though. It's all speculation.

Precisely.

I should add that few people think of black holes as round spheres floating in space. They draw in everything within proximity of their event horizon from the big to small, "grinds" everything up, and spits it all back out as massive gamma and xray jets that are light years in size.

It's all a big endless circle of exchange.

lucylespian

OK, here is an indistutable empiric proof that God either does not exist, or is completely insane and should be disregarded.


Are you ready ???




Are you sure you are ready ???????????????????
































OK, here it is. Bush says God is on his side. The prime minister/president of Iran says God is on his side. Either they are both wrong and God does not exist, or God is insane for supporting either of these nutters.

onelongsong

gue_barium wrote:

I like Nature, myself. Of course, is Nature even a theory? Through nature came man and his science.

i wish i said that.
very well put. if life started with a speck of dust; who put that speck of dust there?

gue_barium

lucylespian wrote:

OK, here is an indistutable empiric proof that God either does not exist, or is completely insane and should be disregarded.


Are you ready ???




Are you sure you are ready ???????????????????
































OK, here it is. Bush says God is on his side. The prime minister/president of Iran says God is on his side. Either they are both wrong and God does not exist, or God is insane for supporting either of these nutters.

"i thought the rockies were going to be a little rockier than this"

gue_barium

onelongsong wrote:

i wish i said that.
very well put. if life started with a speck of dust; who put that speck of dust there?

Your Mom?

lol, just kidding.

I would say nature.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

onelongsong wrote:

i wish i said that.
very well put. if life started with a speck of dust; who put that speck of dust there?

Who put the guy, that put the guy that put the speck of dust there?

Nobody put anything it was already here. It's just what here is.

scw156

onelongsong wrote:

science is based on man and mans conclusions. man is flawed therefore science must be flawed.

but man also "believes" in God... so maybe thats a flaw too, that 87% of people suffer from...


dun dun dun

pdv1974

I like to think of it this way: When man truly finds and understands God, he is God. A being as powerful as God could never be understood by a creature who has a comparatively small intellect such as man.

lucylespian

scw156 wrote:

but man also "believes" in God... so maybe thats a flaw too, that 87% of people suffer from...


dun dun dun

Maybe 87% of Americans, but not 87% of the planet, and certainly not %87 of all eopple that have ever lived. But you have a good point !!!

scw156

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