I'm an atheist and I 'm not a quitter - I just think that we are way too small in this big confusion called the Universe. As it was nicely put in the X-files: The Truth Is Out There'' Anyhow; hundred people-hundred different points of view.
En mi vida,
el oscuro me mantiene
cuando yo te vi
en la lluvia me prometiste tu sangre
Estrella de la mañana
Samael te persigo a ti
y si me quedo sin alas
ademas me muero por ti
Atheism is often categorized as a type of doctrine or religion. Simply stated Atheism is a lack of belief in a deity. Atheists though typically have other common disbeliefs or beliefs.
so you finally admitt what i've been telling you for weeks. atheism is a form of religion.
I've listened to lectures by some atheists who would argue that the man or woman who rescinds reason to faith is the one who has "given up."
anyone who looks inside and refuses to drown the voices in their heads and feelings inside their chest has not given up. in fact, im starting to believe, that they are just starting to find out the truth. And these actions have nothing to do with religion, regardless of the advertisement you stamp on it.
so you finally admitt what i've been telling you for weeks. atheism is a form of religion.
Definitions of religion:
"the service and worship of God or the supernatural" - This certainly doesn't apply, as most atheists do not believe in either god or the supernatural, much less worship and serve either one.
"commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance" - There's no commitment of any kind required to be an atheist. Nothing to join, no observances to make, nothing to be devoted to.
"a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices" - For this one we need to define "religious." The definition is "relating to or manifesting faithful devotion to an acknowledged ultimate reality or deity," so it doesn't apply to atheism, as there is no agreement on any sort of ultimate reality or deity.
"a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith" - This one applies to some atheists, but not all. As for myself, the only time I give the topic much thought is when I'm here, so there goes ardor. As for faith, I don't have any ... I think I'm right, obviously, but I freely admit I could be wrong. The only thing I cling to with anything that could be described as ardor is my right to be left alone by fanatics on all sides.
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
One of my friends is an Atheist and we go the rounds constantly. He always wants me to prove God. Simply telling him God and logic do not go hand in hand isn't enough. He wants scientific proof, and unfortunately, there is none. It's all about faith, nothing more, nothing less. I certainly respect anything a person believes in, but it's a waste of time for a believer in God and an Atheist to try to come to an agreement regarding the creation vs. the evolution of things. I usually become extremely frustrated during such conversations. haha.
anyone who looks inside and refuses to drown the voices in their heads and feelings inside their chest has not given up. in fact, im starting to believe, that they are just starting to find out the truth. And these actions have nothing to do with religion, regardless of the advertisement you stamp on it.
i believe athiests have given up searching for enlightenment. ahnimus preaches more than billy graham. every day he's on here preaching how atheism is the "right" belief. i spent the first 16 years of my life going to church and i've never seen a priest preach as much as he does.
so you finally admitt what i've been telling you for weeks. atheism is a form of religion.
I see what you mean, but there is a key difference here...
think of the label "anarchist." in the political realm of thought, an anarchist that assembles, or persuades others to see their point of view (similar to an "active atheist") is not really an anarchist. They are a libertarian or a socialist.
But, an atheist who assembles with other atheists and/or tries to persuade others that their beliefs are fundamentally wrong, is still an atheist. The act of assembling and persuading doesn't negate this. They aren't practicing a form of religion, they are excersizing the bill of rights... which certainly isn't a religion (although it may be the closest thing to religion for some people).
... just some random thoughts
Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
One of my friends is an Atheist and we go the rounds constantly. He always wants me to prove God. Simply telling him God and logic do not go hand in hand isn't enough. He wants scientific proof, and unfortunately, there is none. It's all about faith, nothing more, nothing less. I certainly respect anything a person believes in, but it's a waste of time for a believer in God and an Atheist to try to come to an agreement regarding the creation vs. the evolution of things. I usually become extremely frustrated during such conversations. haha.
God created science and evolution. he created the perfect cycle of life. everything is constantly changing. everything lives; dies; then decomposes to feed new life.
i believe athiests have given up searching for enlightenment. ahnimus preaches more than billy graham. every day he's on here preaching how atheism is the "right" belief. i spent the first 16 years of my life going to church and i've never seen a priest preach as much as he does.
I was outlining what I feel is the bulk of atheist thoughts. It wasn't intended as a sermon.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
so you finally admitt what i've been telling you for weeks. atheism is a form of religion.
Should I have expected anything else from you Onelongsong?
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
God created science and evolution. he created the perfect cycle of life. everything is constantly changing. everything lives; dies; then decomposes to feed new life.
You can believe that, but it's not necissarily true.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
One of my friends is an Atheist and we go the rounds constantly. He always wants me to prove God. Simply telling him God and logic do not go hand in hand isn't enough. He wants scientific proof, and unfortunately, there is none. It's all about faith, nothing more, nothing less. I certainly respect anything a person believes in, but it's a waste of time for a believer in God and an Atheist to try to come to an agreement regarding the creation vs. the evolution of things. I usually become extremely frustrated during such conversations. haha.
God means something different to everyone. Some say god is love, others, god is peace, and on and on. Atheism just disagrees with the Ghost in the Sky variety of the meaning. Atheism isn't any great leap in intellectual awareness. It's just a part of growing up.
God created science and evolution. he created the perfect cycle of life. everything is constantly changing. everything lives; dies; then decomposes to feed new life.
God created science and evolution. he created the perfect cycle of life. everything is constantly changing. everything lives; dies; then decomposes to feed new life.
God did not create things to work against Him. Evolution/science when used in the context to fight what God is and what the purpose is behind faith IN Him does not fit into what He created. Those ideals are used in attempt to prove He doesn't exist and have been unsuccessful thus far.
I see what you mean, but there is a key difference here...
think of the label "anarchist." in the political realm of thought, an anarchist that assembles, or persuades others to see their point of view (similar to an "active atheist") is not really an anarchist. They are a libertarian or a socialist.
But, an atheist who assembles with other atheists and/or tries to persuade others that their beliefs are fundamentally wrong, is still an atheist. The act of assembling and persuading doesn't negate this. They aren't practicing a form of religion, they are excersizing the bill of rights... which certainly isn't a religion (although it may be the closest thing to religion for some people).
... just some random thoughts
anarchy does not exist in the political realm. look to history to see what happens under marshall law or an anarchist rule. what happens? people form groups of others who believe the same as them. (just like the world forms different groups making different religions.) if anarchy does exist; then my life is anarchy. i answer to no man; i do what i want when i want; and my laws are my own. many conform to current law but they are my laws. for example; pot is legal in my world; but murder isn't. i don't assemble nor do i preach anarchy. i live my life and don't bother anyone that doesn't bother me.
however; an athiet preaches. not true athiest. but there are no true athiests. if God doesn't exist to them; a cross on a public building means nothing to them. the 10 commandments in from of a state capital may as well be scribble. it should mean nothing to them. if they are insulted by a cross then they are insulted by every cross. you can't have it both ways.
most importantly; an athiest would never even open a religious thread. an athiest who posts on a religious thread is preaching their beliefs. and doesn't that sound like religion?
you say athiest don't gather; then why did they gather to respond to this thread?
athiesm is only a persons confusion to existence. it is their attempt to find the answers to why we're here. they don't believe in God; they believe in something else.
however; an athiet preaches. not true athiest. but there are no true athiests. if God doesn't exist to them; a cross on a public building means nothing to them. the 10 commandments in from of a state capital may as well be scribble. it should mean nothing to them. if they are insulted by a cross then they are insulted by every cross. you can't have it both ways.
most importantly; an athiest would never even open a religious thread. an athiest who posts on a religious thread is preaching their beliefs. and doesn't that sound like religion?
you say athiest don't gather; then why did they gather to respond to this thread?
athiesm is only a persons confusion to existence. it is their attempt to find the answers to why we're here. they don't believe in God; they believe in something else.
You're speaking of the childish arguments that the media likes to keep us dumbed down in.
I'm an atheist, and if you remember corporatewhore being pissed off about the cross being pulled down on the william and mary campus, you will remember i agree with him. But, not for the religious reasons he specified.
God did not create things to work against Him. Evolution/science when used in the context to fight what God is and what the purpose is behind faith IN Him does not fit into what He created. Those ideals are used in attempt to prove He doesn't exist and have been unsuccessful thus far.
where the hell did you get that from? science has proven God. finding ancient scripts and relics then authenticating them. that is science. if God does not create things that go against him; then why doesn't he appear in time square and prove he exists? it's a matter of faith; that's the answer. life here is your test. you choose the answer; then find out if you made the right choice when you graduate, ie: death.
however; an athiet preaches. not true athiest. but there are no true athiests. if God doesn't exist to them; a cross on a public building means nothing to them. the 10 commandments in from of a state capital may as well be scribble. it should mean nothing to them. if they are insulted by a cross then they are insulted by every cross. you can't have it both ways.
Of course you can. A cross on a church or in front of your house means nothing to me. A cross in my courthouse means that somebody is meddling with the legal system that I pay for and that I am subject to, and which my constitution says shall make no establishment of religion.
most importantly; an athiest would never even open a religious thread. an athiest who posts on a religious thread is preaching their beliefs. and doesn't that sound like religion?
Now that's just silly. An atheist likes a good laugh as well as anyone.
You're speaking of the childish arguments that the media likes to keep us dumbed down in.
I'm an atheist, and if you remember corporatewhore being pissed off about the cross being pulled down on the william and mary campus, you will remember i agree with him. But, not for the religious reasons he specified.
but you are here defending your beliefs fulfilling all the requirements of religion. which is the contemplation of God. you are contemplating the existence or non-existence of God.
(how'd you like those links? interesting stuff to say the least.)
anarchy does not exist in the political realm. look to history to see what happens under marshall law or an anarchist rule. what happens? people form groups of others who believe the same as them. (just like the world forms different groups making different religions.) if anarchy does exist; then my life is anarchy. i answer to no man; i do what i want when i want; and my laws are my own. many conform to current law but they are my laws. for example; pot is legal in my world; but murder isn't. i don't assemble nor do i preach anarchy. i live my life and don't bother anyone that doesn't bother me.
however; an athiet preaches. not true athiest. but there are no true athiests. if God doesn't exist to them; a cross on a public building means nothing to them. the 10 commandments in from of a state capital may as well be scribble. it should mean nothing to them. if they are insulted by a cross then they are insulted by every cross. you can't have it both ways.
most importantly; an athiest would never even open a religious thread. an athiest who posts on a religious thread is preaching their beliefs. and doesn't that sound like religion?
you say athiest don't gather; then why did they gather to respond to this thread?
athiesm is only a persons confusion to existence. it is their attempt to find the answers to why we're here. they don't believe in God; they believe in something else.
One of the points I was trying to make is that many atheists simply don't care about the cause of their own existence.
What happened here is, I started a thread after watching a documentary criticising atheism. I tried to take a neutral approach to the different perspectives of atheists in an attempt to show the diversity of individuals and the lack of congregation.
The thread titel "Trouble with Atheism" is certainly going to attract atheists and religious zealots. You said that I am "preaching", however, I didn't make any statements that atheism is absolute or that religion is false. I simply outlined what I consider to be the bulk of atheist thought.
Now, you are here defending God and attacking atheism. It comes across as a bit of hipocricy considering what you've accused me of doing.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
but you are here defending your beliefs fulfilling all the requirements of religion. which is the contemplation of God. you are contemplating the existence or non-existence of God.
(how'd you like those links? interesting stuff to say the least.)
No, I'm far from contemplating the existence of god.
Of course you can. A cross on a church or in front of your house means nothing to me. A cross in my courthouse means that somebody is meddling with the legal system that I pay for and that I am subject to, and which my constitution says shall make no establishment of religion.
the same constitution you want to change to take away others rights? (ie: second ammendment)
Now that's just silly. An atheist likes a good laugh as well as anyone.
how do you laugh at something that doesn't exist? are you laughing at your fellow man? if so; and you believe in equality; then you invite 87% of the population to laugh at you. is this your intent?
Maybe because they're bored at work and don't feel like doing the crossword puzzle.
i can understand this. there are no other threads on this board so they respond to this one.
how do you laugh at something that doesn't exist? are you laughing at your fellow man? if so; and you believe in equality; then you invite 87% of the population to laugh at you. is this your intent?
I laugh at some of the arguments made for the existence of god. You're free to laugh at anything I post, I'm happy if I can brighten someone's day.
I have a knack for getting people riled up. I don't even try.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
One of the points I was trying to make is that many atheists simply don't care about the cause of their own existence.
then why do you defend science and the non-existence of God in other threads? i'm not talking about a one time incident. go back to past threads and read your past posts.
What happened here is, I started a thread after watching a documentary criticising atheism. I tried to take a neutral approach to the different perspectives of atheists in an attempt to show the diversity of individuals and the lack of congregation.
you've got a pretty good congregation of athiests on this thread alone.
The thread titel "Trouble with Atheism" is certainly going to attract atheists and religious zealots. You said that I am "preaching", however, I didn't make any statements that atheism is absolute or that religion is false. I simply outlined what I consider to be the bulk of atheist thought.
once again i refer you to your past posts. posting what you believe to a massive forum like this is displaying your beliefs to one of the largest congregations about. you won't find this many people in any one church.
as to the title attracting athiests; why? i took the title as showing why athiesm is wrong and religion right. why the hell would any true athiest want to open such a thread? to defend your beliefs? quite a religious trait; don't you think. a true athiest would look at the title and say "more bs" and pass it by.
Now, you are here defending God and attacking atheism. It comes across as a bit of hipocricy considering what you've accused me of doing.
remember your thread: "my grandmothers funeral"? you complained that a priest PREACHED to you. if you trace religion back to its origin; doesn't every religion defend its beliefs? what we both are doing is defending our beliefs; which is the biggest part of religion. i don't see the hiporicy. i admitt to being religious and my behavior confirms that.
Let's consistantly use the same verbiage used as with religious people, you're a fundamentalist atheist. Either that or the descriptive word for some religious people would be Active Muslim, Active Catholic.
“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
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el oscuro me mantiene
cuando yo te vi
en la lluvia me prometiste tu sangre
Estrella de la mañana
Samael te persigo a ti
y si me quedo sin alas
ademas me muero por ti
so you finally admitt what i've been telling you for weeks. atheism is a form of religion.
anyone who looks inside and refuses to drown the voices in their heads and feelings inside their chest has not given up. in fact, im starting to believe, that they are just starting to find out the truth. And these actions have nothing to do with religion, regardless of the advertisement you stamp on it.
"the service and worship of God or the supernatural" - This certainly doesn't apply, as most atheists do not believe in either god or the supernatural, much less worship and serve either one.
"commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance" - There's no commitment of any kind required to be an atheist. Nothing to join, no observances to make, nothing to be devoted to.
"a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices" - For this one we need to define "religious." The definition is "relating to or manifesting faithful devotion to an acknowledged ultimate reality or deity," so it doesn't apply to atheism, as there is no agreement on any sort of ultimate reality or deity.
"a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith" - This one applies to some atheists, but not all. As for myself, the only time I give the topic much thought is when I'm here, so there goes ardor. As for faith, I don't have any ... I think I'm right, obviously, but I freely admit I could be wrong. The only thing I cling to with anything that could be described as ardor is my right to be left alone by fanatics on all sides.
i believe athiests have given up searching for enlightenment. ahnimus preaches more than billy graham. every day he's on here preaching how atheism is the "right" belief. i spent the first 16 years of my life going to church and i've never seen a priest preach as much as he does.
I see what you mean, but there is a key difference here...
think of the label "anarchist." in the political realm of thought, an anarchist that assembles, or persuades others to see their point of view (similar to an "active atheist") is not really an anarchist. They are a libertarian or a socialist.
But, an atheist who assembles with other atheists and/or tries to persuade others that their beliefs are fundamentally wrong, is still an atheist. The act of assembling and persuading doesn't negate this. They aren't practicing a form of religion, they are excersizing the bill of rights... which certainly isn't a religion (although it may be the closest thing to religion for some people).
... just some random thoughts
religion is religion, you can attach any idea to it you want, if the shoe fits:
"Pearl Jam"
Look at the religious, faithful flock.
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God created science and evolution. he created the perfect cycle of life. everything is constantly changing. everything lives; dies; then decomposes to feed new life.
I was outlining what I feel is the bulk of atheist thoughts. It wasn't intended as a sermon.
Should I have expected anything else from you Onelongsong?
You can believe that, but it's not necissarily true.
God means something different to everyone. Some say god is love, others, god is peace, and on and on. Atheism just disagrees with the Ghost in the Sky variety of the meaning. Atheism isn't any great leap in intellectual awareness. It's just a part of growing up.
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got that right
and its not an avocado!
why write your own thoughts as someone elses? lol
God did not create things to work against Him. Evolution/science when used in the context to fight what God is and what the purpose is behind faith IN Him does not fit into what He created. Those ideals are used in attempt to prove He doesn't exist and have been unsuccessful thus far.
anarchy does not exist in the political realm. look to history to see what happens under marshall law or an anarchist rule. what happens? people form groups of others who believe the same as them. (just like the world forms different groups making different religions.) if anarchy does exist; then my life is anarchy. i answer to no man; i do what i want when i want; and my laws are my own. many conform to current law but they are my laws. for example; pot is legal in my world; but murder isn't. i don't assemble nor do i preach anarchy. i live my life and don't bother anyone that doesn't bother me.
however; an athiet preaches. not true athiest. but there are no true athiests. if God doesn't exist to them; a cross on a public building means nothing to them. the 10 commandments in from of a state capital may as well be scribble. it should mean nothing to them. if they are insulted by a cross then they are insulted by every cross. you can't have it both ways.
most importantly; an athiest would never even open a religious thread. an athiest who posts on a religious thread is preaching their beliefs. and doesn't that sound like religion?
you say athiest don't gather; then why did they gather to respond to this thread?
athiesm is only a persons confusion to existence. it is their attempt to find the answers to why we're here. they don't believe in God; they believe in something else.
You're speaking of the childish arguments that the media likes to keep us dumbed down in.
I'm an atheist, and if you remember corporatewhore being pissed off about the cross being pulled down on the william and mary campus, you will remember i agree with him. But, not for the religious reasons he specified.
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where the hell did you get that from? science has proven God. finding ancient scripts and relics then authenticating them. that is science. if God does not create things that go against him; then why doesn't he appear in time square and prove he exists? it's a matter of faith; that's the answer. life here is your test. you choose the answer; then find out if you made the right choice when you graduate, ie: death.
Now that's just silly. An atheist likes a good laugh as well as anyone.
Maybe because they're bored at work and don't feel like doing the crossword puzzle.
but you are here defending your beliefs fulfilling all the requirements of religion. which is the contemplation of God. you are contemplating the existence or non-existence of God.
(how'd you like those links? interesting stuff to say the least.)
One of the points I was trying to make is that many atheists simply don't care about the cause of their own existence.
What happened here is, I started a thread after watching a documentary criticising atheism. I tried to take a neutral approach to the different perspectives of atheists in an attempt to show the diversity of individuals and the lack of congregation.
The thread titel "Trouble with Atheism" is certainly going to attract atheists and religious zealots. You said that I am "preaching", however, I didn't make any statements that atheism is absolute or that religion is false. I simply outlined what I consider to be the bulk of atheist thought.
Now, you are here defending God and attacking atheism. It comes across as a bit of hipocricy considering what you've accused me of doing.
No, I'm far from contemplating the existence of god.
The links were good reading. Thanks.
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the same constitution you want to change to take away others rights? (ie: second ammendment)
how do you laugh at something that doesn't exist? are you laughing at your fellow man? if so; and you believe in equality; then you invite 87% of the population to laugh at you. is this your intent?
i can understand this. there are no other threads on this board so they respond to this one.
I laugh at some of the arguments made for the existence of god. You're free to laugh at anything I post, I'm happy if I can brighten someone's day.
It's the most entertaining one this afternoon.
I have a knack for getting people riled up. I don't even try.
then why do you defend science and the non-existence of God in other threads? i'm not talking about a one time incident. go back to past threads and read your past posts.
you've got a pretty good congregation of athiests on this thread alone.
once again i refer you to your past posts. posting what you believe to a massive forum like this is displaying your beliefs to one of the largest congregations about. you won't find this many people in any one church.
as to the title attracting athiests; why? i took the title as showing why athiesm is wrong and religion right. why the hell would any true athiest want to open such a thread? to defend your beliefs? quite a religious trait; don't you think. a true athiest would look at the title and say "more bs" and pass it by.
remember your thread: "my grandmothers funeral"? you complained that a priest PREACHED to you. if you trace religion back to its origin; doesn't every religion defend its beliefs? what we both are doing is defending our beliefs; which is the biggest part of religion. i don't see the hiporicy. i admitt to being religious and my behavior confirms that.
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley