Trouble With Atheism

Ahnimus

onelongsong wrote:

i believe athiests have given up searching for enlightenment. ahnimus preaches more than billy graham. every day he's on here preaching how atheism is the "right" belief. i spent the first 16 years of my life going to church and i've never seen a priest preach as much as he does.

I was outlining what I feel is the bulk of atheist thoughts. It wasn't intended as a sermon.

Ahnimus

onelongsong wrote:

so you finally admitt what i've been telling you for weeks. atheism is a form of religion.

Should I have expected anything else from you Onelongsong?

Ahnimus

onelongsong wrote:

God created science and evolution. he created the perfect cycle of life. everything is constantly changing. everything lives; dies; then decomposes to feed new life.

You can believe that, but it's not necissarily true.

gue_barium

vmfury wrote:

One of my friends is an Atheist and we go the rounds constantly. He always wants me to prove God. Simply telling him God and logic do not go hand in hand isn't enough. He wants scientific proof, and unfortunately, there is none. It's all about faith, nothing more, nothing less. I certainly respect anything a person believes in, but it's a waste of time for a believer in God and an Atheist to try to come to an agreement regarding the creation vs. the evolution of things. I usually become extremely frustrated during such conversations. haha.

God means something different to everyone. Some say god is love, others, god is peace, and on and on. Atheism just disagrees with the Ghost in the Sky variety of the meaning. Atheism isn't any great leap in intellectual awareness. It's just a part of growing up.

macgyver06

gue_barium wrote:

religion is religion, you can attach any idea to it you want, if the shoe fits:

"Pearl Jam"

Look at the religious, faithful flock.

got that right just listen to their last album...I dare you tell me the lead singer isn't looking for something!

and its not an avocado!

macgyver06

onelongsong wrote:

God created science and evolution. he created the perfect cycle of life. everything is constantly changing. everything lives; dies; then decomposes to feed new life.

why write your own thoughts as someone elses? lol

vmfury

onelongsong wrote:

God created science and evolution. he created the perfect cycle of life. everything is constantly changing. everything lives; dies; then decomposes to feed new life.

God did not create things to work against Him. Evolution/science when used in the context to fight what God is and what the purpose is behind faith IN Him does not fit into what He created. Those ideals are used in attempt to prove He doesn't exist and have been unsuccessful thus far.

onelongsong

he still stands wrote:

I see what you mean, but there is a key difference here...

think of the label "anarchist." in the political realm of thought, an anarchist that assembles, or persuades others to see their point of view (similar to an "active atheist") is not really an anarchist. They are a libertarian or a socialist.

But, an atheist who assembles with other atheists and/or tries to persuade others that their beliefs are fundamentally wrong, is still an atheist. The act of assembling and persuading doesn't negate this. They aren't practicing a form of religion, they are excersizing the bill of rights... which certainly isn't a religion (although it may be the closest thing to religion for some people).

... just some random thoughts

anarchy does not exist in the political realm. look to history to see what happens under marshall law or an anarchist rule. what happens? people form groups of others who believe the same as them. (just like the world forms different groups making different religions.) if anarchy does exist; then my life is anarchy. i answer to no man; i do what i want when i want; and my laws are my own. many conform to current law but they are my laws. for example; pot is legal in my world; but murder isn't. i don't assemble nor do i preach anarchy. i live my life and don't bother anyone that doesn't bother me.

however; an athiet preaches. not true athiest. but there are no true athiests. if God doesn't exist to them; a cross on a public building means nothing to them. the 10 commandments in from of a state capital may as well be scribble. it should mean nothing to them. if they are insulted by a cross then they are insulted by every cross. you can't have it both ways.
most importantly; an athiest would never even open a religious thread. an athiest who posts on a religious thread is preaching their beliefs. and doesn't that sound like religion?
you say athiest don't gather; then why did they gather to respond to this thread?
athiesm is only a persons confusion to existence. it is their attempt to find the answers to why we're here. they don't believe in God; they believe in something else.

gue_barium

onelongsong wrote:

however; an athiet preaches. not true athiest. but there are no true athiests. if God doesn't exist to them; a cross on a public building means nothing to them. the 10 commandments in from of a state capital may as well be scribble. it should mean nothing to them. if they are insulted by a cross then they are insulted by every cross. you can't have it both ways.
most importantly; an athiest would never even open a religious thread. an athiest who posts on a religious thread is preaching their beliefs. and doesn't that sound like religion?
you say athiest don't gather; then why did they gather to respond to this thread?
athiesm is only a persons confusion to existence. it is their attempt to find the answers to why we're here. they don't believe in God; they believe in something else.

You're speaking of the childish arguments that the media likes to keep us dumbed down in.
I'm an atheist, and if you remember corporatewhore being pissed off about the cross being pulled down on the william and mary campus, you will remember i agree with him. But, not for the religious reasons he specified.

onelongsong

vmfury wrote:

God did not create things to work against Him. Evolution/science when used in the context to fight what God is and what the purpose is behind faith IN Him does not fit into what He created. Those ideals are used in attempt to prove He doesn't exist and have been unsuccessful thus far.

where the hell did you get that from? science has proven God. finding ancient scripts and relics then authenticating them. that is science. if God does not create things that go against him; then why doesn't he appear in time square and prove he exists? it's a matter of faith; that's the answer. life here is your test. you choose the answer; then find out if you made the right choice when you graduate, ie: death.

hippiemom

onelongsong wrote:

however; an athiet preaches. not true athiest. but there are no true athiests. if God doesn't exist to them; a cross on a public building means nothing to them. the 10 commandments in from of a state capital may as well be scribble. it should mean nothing to them. if they are insulted by a cross then they are insulted by every cross. you can't have it both ways.

Of course you can. A cross on a church or in front of your house means nothing to me. A cross in my courthouse means that somebody is meddling with the legal system that I pay for and that I am subject to, and which my constitution says shall make no establishment of religion.

onelongsong wrote:

most importantly; an athiest would never even open a religious thread. an athiest who posts on a religious thread is preaching their beliefs. and doesn't that sound like religion?

Now that's just silly. An atheist likes a good laugh as well as anyone.

onelongsong wrote:

you say athiest don't gather; then why did they gather to respond to this thread?

Maybe because they're bored at work and don't feel like doing the crossword puzzle.

onelongsong

gue_barium wrote:

You're speaking of the childish arguments that the media likes to keep us dumbed down in.
I'm an atheist, and if you remember corporatewhore being pissed off about the cross being pulled down on the william and mary campus, you will remember i agree with him. But, not for the religious reasons he specified.

but you are here defending your beliefs fulfilling all the requirements of religion. which is the contemplation of God. you are contemplating the existence or non-existence of God.

(how'd you like those links? interesting stuff to say the least.)

Ahnimus

onelongsong wrote:

anarchy does not exist in the political realm. look to history to see what happens under marshall law or an anarchist rule. what happens? people form groups of others who believe the same as them. (just like the world forms different groups making different religions.) if anarchy does exist; then my life is anarchy. i answer to no man; i do what i want when i want; and my laws are my own. many conform to current law but they are my laws. for example; pot is legal in my world; but murder isn't. i don't assemble nor do i preach anarchy. i live my life and don't bother anyone that doesn't bother me.

however; an athiet preaches. not true athiest. but there are no true athiests. if God doesn't exist to them; a cross on a public building means nothing to them. the 10 commandments in from of a state capital may as well be scribble. it should mean nothing to them. if they are insulted by a cross then they are insulted by every cross. you can't have it both ways.
most importantly; an athiest would never even open a religious thread. an athiest who posts on a religious thread is preaching their beliefs. and doesn't that sound like religion?
you say athiest don't gather; then why did they gather to respond to this thread?
athiesm is only a persons confusion to existence. it is their attempt to find the answers to why we're here. they don't believe in God; they believe in something else.

One of the points I was trying to make is that many atheists simply don't care about the cause of their own existence.

What happened here is, I started a thread after watching a documentary criticising atheism. I tried to take a neutral approach to the different perspectives of atheists in an attempt to show the diversity of individuals and the lack of congregation.

The thread titel "Trouble with Atheism" is certainly going to attract atheists and religious zealots. You said that I am "preaching", however, I didn't make any statements that atheism is absolute or that religion is false. I simply outlined what I consider to be the bulk of atheist thought.

Now, you are here defending God and attacking atheism. It comes across as a bit of hipocricy considering what you've accused me of doing.

gue_barium

onelongsong wrote:

but you are here defending your beliefs fulfilling all the requirements of religion. which is the contemplation of God. you are contemplating the existence or non-existence of God.

(how'd you like those links? interesting stuff to say the least.)

No, I'm far from contemplating the existence of god.

The links were good reading. Thanks.

onelongsong

hippiemom wrote:

Of course you can. A cross on a church or in front of your house means nothing to me. A cross in my courthouse means that somebody is meddling with the legal system that I pay for and that I am subject to, and which my constitution says shall make no establishment of religion.

the same constitution you want to change to take away others rights? (ie: second ammendment)

Now that's just silly. An atheist likes a good laugh as well as anyone.

how do you laugh at something that doesn't exist? are you laughing at your fellow man? if so; and you believe in equality; then you invite 87% of the population to laugh at you. is this your intent?

Maybe because they're bored at work and don't feel like doing the crossword puzzle.

i can understand this. there are no other threads on this board so they respond to this one.

hippiemom

onelongsong wrote:

the same constitution you want to change to take away others rights? (ie: second ammendment)

Where the heck did you get the idea I want to change the second amendment?! I'm a gun owner, I think you've got me confused with someone else.

onelongsong wrote:

how do you laugh at something that doesn't exist? are you laughing at your fellow man? if so; and you believe in equality; then you invite 87% of the population to laugh at you. is this your intent?

I laugh at some of the arguments made for the existence of god. You're free to laugh at anything I post, I'm happy if I can brighten someone's day.

onelongsong wrote:

i can understand this. there are no other threads on this board so they respond to this one.

It's the most entertaining one this afternoon.

Ahnimus

hippiemom wrote:

It's the most entertaining one this afternoon.

I have a knack for getting people riled up. I don't even try.

hippiemom

Ahnimus wrote:

I have a knack for getting people riled up. I don't even try.

You're a natural

onelongsong

Ahnimus wrote:

One of the points I was trying to make is that many atheists simply don't care about the cause of their own existence.

then why do you defend science and the non-existence of God in other threads? i'm not talking about a one time incident. go back to past threads and read your past posts.

What happened here is, I started a thread after watching a documentary criticising atheism. I tried to take a neutral approach to the different perspectives of atheists in an attempt to show the diversity of individuals and the lack of congregation.

you've got a pretty good congregation of athiests on this thread alone.

The thread titel "Trouble with Atheism" is certainly going to attract atheists and religious zealots. You said that I am "preaching", however, I didn't make any statements that atheism is absolute or that religion is false. I simply outlined what I consider to be the bulk of atheist thought.

once again i refer you to your past posts. posting what you believe to a massive forum like this is displaying your beliefs to one of the largest congregations about. you won't find this many people in any one church.
as to the title attracting athiests; why? i took the title as showing why athiesm is wrong and religion right. why the hell would any true athiest want to open such a thread? to defend your beliefs? quite a religious trait; don't you think. a true athiest would look at the title and say "more bs" and pass it by.

Now, you are here defending God and attacking atheism. It comes across as a bit of hipocricy considering what you've accused me of doing.

remember your thread: "my grandmothers funeral"? you complained that a priest PREACHED to you. if you trace religion back to its origin; doesn't every religion defend its beliefs? what we both are doing is defending our beliefs; which is the biggest part of religion. i don't see the hiporicy. i admitt to being religious and my behavior confirms that.

surferdude

lucylespian wrote:

I'd be an Active Athiest.

Let's consistantly use the same verbiage used as with religious people, you're a fundamentalist atheist. Either that or the descriptive word for some religious people would be Active Muslim, Active Catholic.