Trouble With Atheism

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  • I like the people who think something can be created out of thin air. two possibilities exist: it either just existed in the first place or it didn't, and never will. Something can't just pop out of nowhere and make make something out of nothing. It's a paradox.

    it's folly..
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Because you said it and I don't understand what you mean.

    Well, maybe you should think about it. God thinks you should.

    Bwahahahaa.

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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    I like the people who think something can be created out of thin air. two possibilities exist: it either just existed in the first place or it didn't, and never will. Something can't just pop out of nowhere and make make something out of nothing. It's a paradox.

    it's folly..

    The paradox is either that something existed out of nothing, which raises the question of what the first something was. Or the paradox could be infinite causality. If we say that everything that exists has a cause, and look at Big Bang theory, what caused the Big Bang? The universe in it's previous state? Then we are looking at a Causal Loop theory where the end of causation is the begining of causation, or the end of time, is the begining of time. It's almost worth arguing that the causal loop theory is the least paradoxical.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    gue_barium wrote:
    Well, maybe you should think about it. God thinks you should.

    Bwahahahaa.

    I think I've just made a pretty good argument why God isn't mathemically necissary.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • If god is an all encompassing bigger higher power then outerspace is God.

    How much did they know about the space and it's phenomena when the bible was written? You would think the entire bible would make reference to it often. Also why is hell considered down and heaven up then ? There is no up and down in space.

    It's probably all a nice fairytale...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I think I've just made a pretty good argument why God isn't mathemically necissary.

    well, it's all in the interpretation, as always.

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  • onelongsongonelongsong Posts: 3,517
    I like the people who think something can be created out of thin air. two possibilities exist: it either just existed in the first place or it didn't, and never will. Something can't just pop out of nowhere and make make something out of nothing. It's a paradox.

    it's folly..

    science has created life or "artificial life" if you prefer; in a pietre dish. how do you explain that?
  • onelongsongonelongsong Posts: 3,517
    If god is an all encompassing bigger higher power then outerspace is God.

    How much did they know about the space and it's phenomena when the bible was written? You would think the entire bible would make reference to it often. Also why is hell considered down and heaven up then ? There is no up and down in space.

    It's probably all a nice fairytale...

    for the same reason the 619 commandments are called the 10 commandments. it's easier for people of that time to comprehend.
  • hippiemomhippiemom Posts: 3,326
    for the same reason the 619 commandments are called the 10 commandments. it's easier for people of that time to comprehend.
    When are we going to get a revised edition that's easier for people of our time to comprehend?
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • science has created life or "artificial life" if you prefer; in a pietre dish. how do you explain that?


    There's no such thing as artificial life. All matter is alive. There is no point of creation in the ultimate universe. It just always was like it is now. Energy is never lost, i.e. there is nowhere else for it to go except "here". That I believe proves the concept.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    science has created life or "artificial life" if you prefer; in a pietre dish. how do you explain that?

    "Life" is a human construct. What exists is atomic particles behaving in a predetermined way.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • onelongsongonelongsong Posts: 3,517
    hippiemom wrote:
    When are we going to get a revised edition that's easier for people of our time to comprehend?

    all 619 "commandments" are discussed in the bible. there is no revised version. however; all modern laws are derived from these 619 commandments. they are the laws of God for man.
  • for the same reason the 619 commandments are called the 10 commandments. it's easier for people of that time to comprehend.

    I wonder what god told all the life elsewhere in the universe? I would imagine there's bibles like ours in space in other galaxies. Oh but wait. .. the history of our people, experiences, and places don't apply there. So really there are literally zillions of different bibles in existence each written to fit the different races and societies on other planets.

    So how much of the bible is just window dressing tailored to suit us, and then applied to the main message? hmm.

    If one amoeba even exists elsewhere than earth, then the universe is full of life of various shapes and configurations. I guess we were just lucky to get the hardcover edition.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • onelongsongonelongsong Posts: 3,517
    Ahnimus wrote:
    "Life" is a human construct. What exists is atomic particles behaving in a predetermined way.

    please translate? the atomic bomb was created by the discovery of a paralell universe. a proton would appear; then disappear; then reappear. thus proving einsteins theory.
    in your science studies you should check out nuclear fission.
  • onelongsongonelongsong Posts: 3,517
    I wonder what god told all the life elsewhere in the universe? I would imagine there's bibles like ours in space in other galaxies. Oh but wait. .. the history of our people, experiences, and places don't apply there. So really there are literally zillions of different bibles in existence each written to fit the different races and societies on other planets.

    So how much of the bible is just window dressing tailored to suit us, and then applied to the main message? hmm.

    If one amoeba even exists elsewhere than earth, then the universe is full of life of various shapes and configurations. I guess we were just lucky to get the hardcover edition.

    when you find life on another planet; get back to me.
  • gue_barium wrote:
    well, it's all in the interpretation, as always.

    Excellent pithy comment, and very true. Until the Renaissance, the sun revolved around the Earth. Then, with the writings of Copernicus, and the studies and efforts of Galileo and Kepler, the sun stopped revolving around the Earth, and the Earth began revolving around it instead. As ridiculous as it sounds it is true and it really happened. A person's beliefs (and prejudices) shape their reality. To deny that fact would be to ignore every part of history. Geocentric belief was at one time reality for virtually everyone on the planet. God in turn, does exist for those who believe he does. For others, he does not. Either way, that outlook is reality.
  • when you find life on another planet; get back to me.

    So you think life outside this speck of earth does't exist? You sound like the guys that thought the universe revolved around earth not too long ago.

    Where are they now?

    Methane is being found in mass quantities on other planets. Methane is the byproduct of a living system.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    Excellent pithy comment, and very true. Until the Renaissance, the sun revolved around the Earth. Then, with the writings of Copernicus, and the studies and efforts of Galileo and Kepler, the sun stopped revolving around the Earth, and the Earth began revolving around it instead. As ridiculous as it sounds it is true and it really happened. A person's beliefs (and prejudices) shape their reality. To deny that fact would be to ignore every part of history. Geocentric belief was at one time reality for virtually everyone on the planet. God in turn, does exist for those who believe he does. For others, he does not. Either way, that outlook is reality.

    The internal reality, but not the external reality. The earth has always revolved around the sun in the external reality, hence why copernicus was able to see it as such. Two different things though, internal and external realities.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    please translate? the atomic bomb was created by the discovery of a paralell universe. a proton would appear; then disappear; then reappear. thus proving einsteins theory.
    in your science studies you should check out nuclear fission.

    Some how I doubt that. I've studied nuclear fission and I actually know how to make an atomic bomb. Micrwaving food is a kind of nuclear fission reaction and I studied that quite a bit too. The idea the protons pop in and out of existence is hypothesized, but not known, the idea they exist in alternate realities when they do not exist in this one, is mere speculation.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus wrote:
    The idea the protons pop in and out of existence is hypothesized, but not known, the idea they exist in alternate realities when they do not exist in this one, is mere speculation.

    The LHC at CERN (due to commence this November) I believe is supposed to answer this question.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • The DocThe Doc Posts: 14
    macgyver06 wrote:
    anyone who looks inside and refuses to drown the voices in their heads and feelings inside their chest has not given up. in fact, im starting to believe, that they are just starting to find out the truth. And these actions have nothing to do with religion, regardless of the advertisement you stamp on it.

    I can understand that, but you must realize that once you begin to speak about "feelings," you step outside the realm of logical debate.
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    The LHC at CERN (due to commence this November) I believe is supposed to answer this question.

    The LHC is going to smash protons together at 99.999% the speed of light. I'm not sure how that is going to answer any questions about alternate realities that Fermilab doesn't already answer. It's most likely to create a black hole that devours our solar system.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • gue_bariumgue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Excellent pithy comment, and very true. Until the Renaissance, the sun revolved around the Earth. Then, with the writings of Copernicus, and the studies and efforts of Galileo and Kepler, the sun stopped revolving around the Earth, and the Earth began revolving around it instead. As ridiculous as it sounds it is true and it really happened. A person's beliefs (and prejudices) shape their reality. To deny that fact would be to ignore every part of history. Geocentric belief was at one time reality for virtually everyone on the planet. God in turn, does exist for those who believe he does. For others, he does not. Either way, that outlook is reality.

    He shaped his argument around his interpretation of my statement. I told him it had nothing to do with what he surmised it to be.
    And for the record, though your post is good, it doesn't have anything to do with what you're saying either.

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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    gue_barium wrote:
    He shaped his argument around his interpretation of my statement. I told him it had nothing to do with what he surmised it to be.

    But you didn't offer further explanation...
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • onelongsongonelongsong Posts: 3,517
    So you think life outside this speck of earth does't exist? You sound like the guys that thought the universe revolved around earth not too long ago.

    Where are they now?

    Methane is being found in mass quantities on other planets. Methane is the byproduct of a living system.

    not always.

    i believe in other life but you'll have to bring them to me so i can ask them if God gave them rules to live by too. let's remember the commandments are rules for MAN.
  • The DocThe Doc Posts: 14
    where the hell did you get that from? science has proven God. finding ancient scripts and relics then authenticating them. that is science. if God does not create things that go against him; then why doesn't he appear in time square and prove he exists? it's a matter of faith; that's the answer. life here is your test. you choose the answer; then find out if you made the right choice when you graduate, ie: death.

    Ancient scripts are no more proof of God than the existence of the universe itself. Ancient scripts were made by men. This is fallacious slippery-slope argument.
  • hippiemomhippiemom Posts: 3,326
    Ahnimus wrote:
    The LHC is going to smash protons together at 99.999% the speed of light. I'm not sure how that is going to answer any questions about alternate realities that Fermilab doesn't already answer. It's most likely to create a black hole that devours our solar system.
    The world's gonna end in November?
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    not always.

    i believe in other life but you'll have to bring them to me so i can ask them if God gave them rules to live by too. let's remember the commandments are rules for MAN.

    Titan has methane lakes and rain.

    What rules did God give to mice?
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • onelongsongonelongsong Posts: 3,517
    Ahnimus wrote:
    The LHC is going to smash protons together at 99.999% the speed of light. I'm not sure how that is going to answer any questions about alternate realities that Fermilab doesn't already answer. It's most likely to create a black hole that devours our solar system.

    some scientists believe there is a black hole on earth; with the exit being a white hole.
  • Ahnimus wrote:
    The LHC is going to smash protons together at 99.999% the speed of light. I'm not sure how that is going to answer any questions about alternate realities that Fermilab doesn't already answer. It's most likely to create a black hole that devours our solar system.

    "They will both aim to identify the elusive Higgs boson (known as the "God particle" because of its importance to the Standard Model), look for so-called supersymmetric particles and seek out the existence of extra dimensions."

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4524132.stm
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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