Trouble With Atheism

Ahnimus

onelongsong wrote:

science has created life or "artificial life" if you prefer; in a pietre dish. how do you explain that?

"Life" is a human construct. What exists is atomic particles behaving in a predetermined way.

onelongsong

hippiemom wrote:

When are we going to get a revised edition that's easier for people of our time to comprehend?

all 619 "commandments" are discussed in the bible. there is no revised version. however; all modern laws are derived from these 619 commandments. they are the laws of God for man.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

onelongsong wrote:

for the same reason the 619 commandments are called the 10 commandments. it's easier for people of that time to comprehend.

I wonder what god told all the life elsewhere in the universe? I would imagine there's bibles like ours in space in other galaxies. Oh but wait. .. the history of our people, experiences, and places don't apply there. So really there are literally zillions of different bibles in existence each written to fit the different races and societies on other planets.

So how much of the bible is just window dressing tailored to suit us, and then applied to the main message? hmm.

If one amoeba even exists elsewhere than earth, then the universe is full of life of various shapes and configurations. I guess we were just lucky to get the hardcover edition.

onelongsong

Ahnimus wrote:

"Life" is a human construct. What exists is atomic particles behaving in a predetermined way.

please translate? the atomic bomb was created by the discovery of a paralell universe. a proton would appear; then disappear; then reappear. thus proving einsteins theory.
in your science studies you should check out nuclear fission.

onelongsong

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

I wonder what god told all the life elsewhere in the universe? I would imagine there's bibles like ours in space in other galaxies. Oh but wait. .. the history of our people, experiences, and places don't apply there. So really there are literally zillions of different bibles in existence each written to fit the different races and societies on other planets.

So how much of the bible is just window dressing tailored to suit us, and then applied to the main message? hmm.

If one amoeba even exists elsewhere than earth, then the universe is full of life of various shapes and configurations. I guess we were just lucky to get the hardcover edition.

when you find life on another planet; get back to me.

Destined to Remember

gue_barium wrote:

well, it's all in the interpretation, as always.

Excellent pithy comment, and very true. Until the Renaissance, the sun revolved around the Earth. Then, with the writings of Copernicus, and the studies and efforts of Galileo and Kepler, the sun stopped revolving around the Earth, and the Earth began revolving around it instead. As ridiculous as it sounds it is true and it really happened. A person's beliefs (and prejudices) shape their reality. To deny that fact would be to ignore every part of history. Geocentric belief was at one time reality for virtually everyone on the planet. God in turn, does exist for those who believe he does. For others, he does not. Either way, that outlook is reality.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

onelongsong wrote:

when you find life on another planet; get back to me.

So you think life outside this speck of earth does't exist? You sound like the guys that thought the universe revolved around earth not too long ago.

Where are they now?

Methane is being found in mass quantities on other planets. Methane is the byproduct of a living system.

Ahnimus

Destined to Remember wrote:

Excellent pithy comment, and very true. Until the Renaissance, the sun revolved around the Earth. Then, with the writings of Copernicus, and the studies and efforts of Galileo and Kepler, the sun stopped revolving around the Earth, and the Earth began revolving around it instead. As ridiculous as it sounds it is true and it really happened. A person's beliefs (and prejudices) shape their reality. To deny that fact would be to ignore every part of history. Geocentric belief was at one time reality for virtually everyone on the planet. God in turn, does exist for those who believe he does. For others, he does not. Either way, that outlook is reality.

The internal reality, but not the external reality. The earth has always revolved around the sun in the external reality, hence why copernicus was able to see it as such. Two different things though, internal and external realities.

Ahnimus

onelongsong wrote:

please translate? the atomic bomb was created by the discovery of a paralell universe. a proton would appear; then disappear; then reappear. thus proving einsteins theory.
in your science studies you should check out nuclear fission.

Some how I doubt that. I've studied nuclear fission and I actually know how to make an atomic bomb. Micrwaving food is a kind of nuclear fission reaction and I studied that quite a bit too. The idea the protons pop in and out of existence is hypothesized, but not known, the idea they exist in alternate realities when they do not exist in this one, is mere speculation.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Ahnimus wrote:

The idea the protons pop in and out of existence is hypothesized, but not known, the idea they exist in alternate realities when they do not exist in this one, is mere speculation.

The LHC at CERN (due to commence this November) I believe is supposed to answer this question.

The Doc

macgyver06 wrote:

anyone who looks inside and refuses to drown the voices in their heads and feelings inside their chest has not given up. in fact, im starting to believe, that they are just starting to find out the truth. And these actions have nothing to do with religion, regardless of the advertisement you stamp on it.

I can understand that, but you must realize that once you begin to speak about "feelings," you step outside the realm of logical debate.

Ahnimus

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

The LHC at CERN (due to commence this November) I believe is supposed to answer this question.

The LHC is going to smash protons together at 99.999% the speed of light. I'm not sure how that is going to answer any questions about alternate realities that Fermilab doesn't already answer. It's most likely to create a black hole that devours our solar system.

gue_barium

Destined to Remember wrote:

Excellent pithy comment, and very true. Until the Renaissance, the sun revolved around the Earth. Then, with the writings of Copernicus, and the studies and efforts of Galileo and Kepler, the sun stopped revolving around the Earth, and the Earth began revolving around it instead. As ridiculous as it sounds it is true and it really happened. A person's beliefs (and prejudices) shape their reality. To deny that fact would be to ignore every part of history. Geocentric belief was at one time reality for virtually everyone on the planet. God in turn, does exist for those who believe he does. For others, he does not. Either way, that outlook is reality.

He shaped his argument around his interpretation of my statement. I told him it had nothing to do with what he surmised it to be.
And for the record, though your post is good, it doesn't have anything to do with what you're saying either.

Ahnimus

gue_barium wrote:

He shaped his argument around his interpretation of my statement. I told him it had nothing to do with what he surmised it to be.

But you didn't offer further explanation...

onelongsong

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

So you think life outside this speck of earth does't exist? You sound like the guys that thought the universe revolved around earth not too long ago.

Where are they now?

Methane is being found in mass quantities on other planets. Methane is the byproduct of a living system.

not always.

i believe in other life but you'll have to bring them to me so i can ask them if God gave them rules to live by too. let's remember the commandments are rules for MAN.

The Doc

onelongsong wrote:

where the hell did you get that from? science has proven God. finding ancient scripts and relics then authenticating them. that is science. if God does not create things that go against him; then why doesn't he appear in time square and prove he exists? it's a matter of faith; that's the answer. life here is your test. you choose the answer; then find out if you made the right choice when you graduate, ie: death.

Ancient scripts are no more proof of God than the existence of the universe itself. Ancient scripts were made by men. This is fallacious slippery-slope argument.

hippiemom

Ahnimus wrote:

The LHC is going to smash protons together at 99.999% the speed of light. I'm not sure how that is going to answer any questions about alternate realities that Fermilab doesn't already answer. It's most likely to create a black hole that devours our solar system.

The world's gonna end in November?

Ahnimus

onelongsong wrote:

not always.

i believe in other life but you'll have to bring them to me so i can ask them if God gave them rules to live by too. let's remember the commandments are rules for MAN.

Titan has methane lakes and rain.

What rules did God give to mice?

onelongsong

Ahnimus wrote:

The LHC is going to smash protons together at 99.999% the speed of light. I'm not sure how that is going to answer any questions about alternate realities that Fermilab doesn't already answer. It's most likely to create a black hole that devours our solar system.

some scientists believe there is a black hole on earth; with the exit being a white hole.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Ahnimus wrote:

The LHC is going to smash protons together at 99.999% the speed of light. I'm not sure how that is going to answer any questions about alternate realities that Fermilab doesn't already answer. It's most likely to create a black hole that devours our solar system.

"They will both aim to identify the elusive Higgs boson (known as the "God particle" because of its importance to the Standard Model), look for so-called supersymmetric particles and seek out the existence of extra dimensions."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4524132.stm