No Smoking in Bars.....

mammasan

LikeAnOcean wrote:

Yes. Yes we should.

But seriously, what is a typical long car ride, an hour? You're telling me people can't go an hour without smoking??? Thats just one less hazard. I think its a worthy proposal.. I don't agree with banning in your own home though.

Ok what about changing the radio station. That can be a distraction should we ban radios in cars. Smoking a cigeratte while driving is no more a distaction that changing the radio station.

jlew24asu

Drew263 wrote:

As a non smoker and hater of smoke filled bars...I still think it should be left up to each individual establishment. Not Big Brother.

I would agree with this, but some have made a good argument that a bar is a public place. I still havent fully decided this.

LikeAnOcean

mammasan wrote:

Ok what about changing the radio station. That can be a distraction should we ban radios in cars. Smoking a cigeratte while driving is no more a distaction that changing the radio station.

What if you drop the cig in your lap and start a fire? I would think smoking is more of a distraction than changing the radio, but I'm going to stop argueing because I'm guessing you are a smoker. Just a hunch.

martina78

Mookie Baylock wrote:

You're so right. Just like if I worked in a mine let's say, and my bosses didn't want to install special equipment to prevent mines collapsing, that's fine, I should just leave the mine business. Or if I'm a nurse and I don't want to use a new syringe for each injection, I shouldn't be forced to. And if you don't like it, you don't have to get that tetenus shot.

Totally agree with you. Yeah why bother with health and safety laws at all? Lets all drink and drive, people shouldn't get in our way anyway! Let's go smoke in their faces too, they can just move!

Kann

jeffbr wrote:

There are many things found in bars which aren't healthy. Cigarettes, alcohol, greasy hamburgers & fries, people with STDs, etc...

I'm sorry I must be a bit slow but I still don't see how voluntary consumption of alcohol, grease or people with std's is comparable with second hand smoke?

That's no going to happen. If it works there like it does here the government are not going to ban tobacco products because they make too much fucking money out of the sales of cigarettes through massive taxes. Can you not for one second consider a non-smokers right to not have to inhale second hand smoke? Why get so bogged down in the idea of being told what to do? There are some arguments in favour of the government interfering in our day to day lives.

meh, I don't really mind a law on this issue, and at least it will get non smokers to finally shut up, some of them can be as annoying a smelly jacket.
as for banning tobacco, I thought the same about taxes, but every time the price goes up some people stop smoking. Obviously the goal of the government isn't to keep people addicted.

LikeAnOcean

All of my friends who are smokers would agree with me in that they are slaves to the tobacco industry and wish they had never started smoking. I would think any law that would force them to cut back would be appreciated.

Drew263

jlew24asu wrote:

I would agree with this, but some have made a good argument that a bar is a public place. I still havent fully decided this.

Yeah they do..I just know that where I live we have a law that says no smoking in a restaurant. Bars you can. But some bars serve food.

My point is...my friends and I make the choice to go to the bars that serve food...so we would also make the choice to frequent bars that didn't allow smoking also. I'm a big fan of giving people a choice in life.

jlew24asu

LikeAnOcean wrote:

All of my friends who are smokers would agree with me in that they are slaves to the tobacco industry and wish they had never started smoking. I would think any law that would force them to cut back would be appreciated.

I certainly agree. not many smokers like smoking or do it because they enjoy slowly killing themselves. what the non smokers dont really understand is how addictive those fucking things are. and the urge to smoke is 10 fold while drinking (for a smoker). but the point is, hopefully many will take this as an opportunity to quit.

farfromglorified

jlew24asu wrote:

I would agree with this, but some have made a good argument that a bar is a public place. I still havent fully decided this.

To say that a bar is a "public place" is to say that everyone has a right to the property in that bar. Tell me, do you think you should be able to walk into a bar, grab a glass, and drink your fill? Is that your right?

Derrick

Where I live smoking has been banned in all work environments for a long time (over 7 years). It's a health and liability issue due to the potential dangers of long term exposure to second hand smoke. And it's about equal access to jobs. So, say your goal is to be a waitress or bartender...you should have access to all wait/bartend jobs without the fear of being subjected to second hand smoke.

As a customer, I fucking hated smokers. I would dread going to restaurants I really enjoyed because the air would always smell like shit. Under the old system of smoking section and non-smoking section, it was just bad. If I wanted to eat beside a dump, I would eat beside a dump.

Since the smoking ban, restaurants in my city have sprung up like wildflower, and they are packed every night. The downtown bars/clubs have taken a bit of a hit, but the suburban bars and pubs (the ones planted near subdivisions outside of the central area of town) do amazing business. Packed every single night. The smoking ban has done amazing things for the local bar and restaurant scene.

floyd1975

farfromglorified wrote:

To say that a bar is a "public place" is to say that everyone has a right to the property in that bar. Tell me, do you think you should be able to walk into a bar, grab a glass, and drink your fill? Is that your right?

I'm waiting for every bar in my town to send me a cut of their profits.

floyd1975

Derrick wrote:

Where I live smoking has been banned in all work environments for a long time (over 7 years). It's a health and liability issue due to the potential dangers of long term exposure to second hand smoke. And it's about equal access to jobs. So, say your goal is to be a waitress or bartender...you should have access to all wait/bartend jobs without the fear of being subjected to second hand smoke.

As a customer, I fucking hated smokers. I would dread going to restaurants I really enjoyed because the air would always smell like shit. Under the old system of smoking section and non-smoking section, it was just bad. If I wanted to eat beside a dump, I would eat beside a dump.

Since the smoking ban, restaurants in my city have sprung up like wildflower, and they are packed every night. The downtown bars/clubs have taken a bit of a hit, but the suburban bars and pubs (the ones planted near subdivisions outside of the central area of town) do amazing business. Packed every single night. The smoking ban has done amazing things for the local bar and restaurant scene.

Was there a law before that forced them to allow smoking? That would be terrible too.

farfromglorified

zstillings wrote:

I'm waiting for every bar in my town to send me a cut of their profits.

zstillings wrote:

Was there a law before that forced them to allow smoking? That would be terrible too.

God bless you man.....

jlew24asu

farfromglorified wrote:

To say that a bar is a "public place" is to say that everyone has a right to the property in that bar.

I dont know if I agree with this.

farfromglorified wrote:

Tell me, do you think you should be able to walk into a bar, grab a glass, and drink your fill? Is that your right?

of course not. but dunkman makes a good arugment...

dunkman wrote:

of course it is... it maybe run by a private entity but its a public place

1. it has to apply for a licence to serve the public
2. it serves the general public
3. the name "pub" is an abbreviation of the phrase "public bar"


the only thing private about is the ownership.. and even then some larger 'chain style' pubs are PUBLIC LIMITED COMPANIES!!

would you agree with this ?

Drew263

zstillings wrote:

Was there a law before that forced them to allow smoking? That would be terrible too.

That's what I don't get. Before these laws..why were owners so chicken shit to say, "This is a no smoking establishment"?

Obviously it helps business.

jeffbr

Kann wrote:

I'm sorry I must be a bit slow but I still don't see how voluntary consumption of alcohol, grease or people with std's is comparable with second hand smoke?

By walking into an establishment that allows smoking - a place where you know people will be lighting up - you're voluntarily inhaling second hand smoke (unless of course you were hogtied and carried in).

blackredyellow

Drew263 wrote:

That's what I don't get. Before these laws..why were owners so chicken shit to say, "This is a no smoking establishment"?

Obviously it helps business.

I'm not totally disagreeing with you, but in some areas of the country this would be business suicide though.

I Am Gone

As far as i am concerned, and this may be simplifying to the extreme, but

1. Smoking is a health hazard

2. Second-hand smoke is a health hazard

Therefore, a ban on smoking in public places is surely only a good thing.

PS: I live in a country that has enforced such a ban for over a year now, and i can honestly tell you that there has been no impact on the buisness for bars and restaurants.

farfromglorified

Drew263 wrote:

That's what I don't get. Before these laws..why were owners so chicken shit to say, "This is a no smoking establishment"?

Obviously it helps business.

Perhaps your idea of "help business" is not their idea of "help business". Just saying....

jeffbr

Drew263 wrote:

That's what I don't get. Before these laws..why were owners so chicken shit to say, "This is a no smoking establishment"?

Obviously it helps business.

I've talked to a few seattle bar owners over the past year who said that there was a negative impact on their bottom line. The name of the game with a bar is to keep an ass in the seat. As soon as they are required to exit the establishment to smoke they now are confronted with a choice - go back in, go somewhere else, or call it a night.

Before the smoking ban here, there were a few bars which were smoke free. If you didn't like smoke, you could find one of them and patronize them.