No Smoking in Bars.....

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Heineken Helen wrote:

I'm not so sure... like I said I kept the habits of going outside at certain times but doing something different or whatever... until I felt silly bringing my cup of water out with me and then I stopped. I could still sit in a room full of people smoking and it wouldn't bother me at all. I didn't like the smell after I gave up but it didn't make me sick or anything. But if I even had a MOUTHFUL of wine, the cravings would start . So if I have to give up drinking in order to quit smoking, that just ain't gonna happen . And lol, I still KINDA kept my friends... although my 'closest' friend and I fell out at the time and haven't really been the same since. She couldn't understand why I wanted to stop going out for a while and she wouldn't do anything that was non drinking with me and she KEPT asking me to the pub so I eventually got really annoyed with her. Everyone else was really supportive and helpful. They were as surprised as anyone when I quit but I actually encouraged quite a few of them to give up (also temporarily) cos they thought 'if SHE can do it... '

My take is that the reason the ex smoker is so hyper-sensitive to smoke is because of the physical/chemical imbalances it causes in the brain. Like any highly addictive drug, it rewires the pathways, and the brain must physically heal from these addictions. This can take years. For some crack and heroin addicts this can be as long as 10-15yrs and longer. Cigarettes are actually more addictive than crack and heroin.

Getting second hand smoke or any of the "drug" prevents this healing or readjusting back to a normal state of mind. It depends a lot on the individual . In some cases drastic measures are required for success

If I subjected myself to smoky environments on a regular basis, I can almost guarantee you I would start smoking again.

I am glad certain laws are upheld when sheer common sense is the primary factor so to speak.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

mammasan wrote:

So does working on a fishing boat in the Bering Strait should that be outlawed.

I can get that rare and exotic experience at my local restaurant and bar etc...

incredible

dunkman

now i dont think my habit of sniffing chlorine is illegal... its moronic... but its not illegal, but you all realise that if i went into a pub with a container of chlorine which i had legally acquired i would most likely be arrested or thrown out... why?

cos my chlorine was harming other peoples health.. if i wish to inhale and get fucked up thats my choice, but its not right nor am i free to inflict these deadly fumes on other pub patrons.

for the common good, people... thats the issue here.

people lives will be bettered or even saved as a result of a smoking ban in enclosed public places... and thats fact

dunkman

zstillings wrote:

Most public transport is government owned which means it is owned by me.

well why dont you just park the bus outside your house? or remove the nice comfy seats? or just not even pay the fare?

floyd1975

dunkman wrote:

well why dont you just park the bus outside your house? or remove the nice comfy seats? or just not even pay the fare?

I get my use by paying discounted rates. I am not really for government funding of these programs either by the way but that is the difference.

floyd1975

dunkman wrote:

now i dont think my habit of sniffing chlorine is illegal... its moronic... but its not illegal, but you all realise that if i went into a pub with a container of chlorine which i had legally acquired i would most likely be arrested or thrown out... why?

cos my chlorine was harming other peoples health.. if i wish to inhale and get fucked up thats my choice, but its not right nor am i free to inflict these deadly fumes on other pub patrons.

for the common good, people... thats the issue here.

people lives will be bettered or even saved as a result of a smoking ban in enclosed public places... and thats fact

Who would arrest you for a container of chlorine? That is absurd.

even flow?

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Forgive me for "whining" about dying, tumors, and cancer because of someone else's uncontrollable addiction.

clothes...lol... you said clothes...

as an Ex smoker I can assure you I am missing nothing... I'm free of that curse... perhaps smokers should be the jealous ones...

So why would you want to go into a smoking bar? The choice would be yours and yours alone. You and some posters seem to be put off that there would be a bar that people have made a conscience choice to be in and because of YOUR health issue you don't want a bar like that to be open. Again, afraid you may be missing out on fun? Or just wanting to shut down the fun you miss out on because of your choice?

RolandTD20Kdrummer

zstillings wrote:

Who would arrest you for a container of chlorine? That is absurd.

Actually its a very good analogy. You would be asked to leave, and depending where, the authorities may be tipped off, as it is pretty unusual.

The concept is solid. Substitute a bucket of gasoline then.

mammasan

dunkman wrote:

now i dont think my habit of sniffing chlorine is illegal... its moronic... but its not illegal, but you all realise that if i went into a pub with a container of chlorine which i had legally acquired i would most likely be arrested or thrown out... why?

cos my chlorine was harming other peoples health.. if i wish to inhale and get fucked up thats my choice, but its not right nor am i free to inflict these deadly fumes on other pub patrons.

for the common good, people... thats the issue here.

people lives will be bettered or even saved as a result of a smoking ban in enclosed public places... and thats fact

You wouldn't be arrested but you might get thrown out by the owner because it is his decision to make. I have nothing against smoking being banned at bars and resteruants I have a problem with it being forced by the government.

dunkman

zstillings wrote:

Who would arrest you for a container of chlorine? That is absurd.

Chlorine is a toxic gas that irritates the respiratory system. Because it is heavier than air, it tends to accumulate at the bottom of poorly ventilated spaces. Chlorine gas is a strong oxidizer, which may react with flammable materials.

dunkman

zstillings wrote:

I get my use by paying discounted rates. I am not really for government funding of these programs either by the way but that is the difference.

if you own it... why are you paying for it?

i own my guitar, i dont have to pay my wife so i can use it

RolandTD20Kdrummer

even flow? wrote:

So why would you want to go into a smoking bar? The choice would be yours and yours alone. You and some posters seem to be put off that there would be a bar that people have made a conscience choice to be in and because of YOUR health issue you don't want a bar like that to be open. Again, afraid you may be missing out on fun? Or just wanting to shut down the fun you miss out on because of your choice?

I don't, and I'm glad it isn't a requirement to be forced back to the level of being an addict. If I do hit a smoky club...I don't go back for that reason alone.

Let me restate for the third or fourth time now... Smoking is not "fun" if you think it is....you're either brainwashed or, to be honest, a bit mindfucked.

A little cigarette controls your life...how sad. Is such a little thing you hold in your hand really the boss of you?

Fun is something you do because you want to...not because you have to.

dunkman

mammasan wrote:

I have nothing against smoking being banned at bars and resteruants I have a problem with it being forced by the government.

do you have an issue with the government forcing restaurant owners to keep fresh produce and meat? cos they do...

do you have an issue with the government forcing a bar owner to ensure that noise at his establishment meets certain laws or criteria... cos they do...

do you have an issue with the government forcing a bar owner to close at a certain time... cos they do.

do you have an issue with the government forcing a bar owner to ensure his establishment has a bathroom.. cos they do

mammasan

dunkman wrote:

do you have an issue with the government forcing restaurant owners to keep fresh produce and meat? cos they do...

do you have an issue with the government forcing a bar owner to ensure that noise at his establishment meets certain laws or criteria... cos they do...

do you have an issue with the government forcing a bar owner to close at a certain time... cos they do.

do you have an issue with the government forcing a bar owner to ensure his establishment has a bathroom.. cos they do

Let me see.

Yes

Yes

Yes

Yes.

If a resturant did not keep fresj produce i wouldn't eat there. I don't need the government to tell me that.

If a bar was too noisy I would ask the owner to do something about it and if he didn't I would orhanize the neighborhood and attempt to disrupt his busniss untill he met neighborhood demands. I don't need the gov ernment to help me there either.

A bar can close and open, or even stay open for 24 fucking hours for all I care.

Finally if an establishment didn't have a bathroom i wouldn't work or be a patron of that establishment. Again don't need the government here either.

even flow?

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

I don't, and I'm glad it isn't a requirement to be forced back to the level of being an addict. If I do hit a smoky club...I don't go back for that reason alone.

Let me restate for the third or fourth time now... Smoking is not "fun" if you think it is....you're either brainwashed or, to be honest, a bit mindfucked.

A little cigarette controls your life...how sad. Is such a little thing you hold in your hand really the boss of you?

Fun is something you do because you want to...not because you have to.

I don't smoke. (quoted once again) I think that if an owner wants to have a smoke filled bar and the people who work and drink in there have weighed the option like grown ups and are still sitting in there, it is nobody's business to say they want is shut down. Must be nice being a quitter of smokes and then wanting to lead the health crusade.

Oh, and I don't smoke!

Plus you still haven't stated aside from the people being in the bar on their own will, and you having a worry for their health, why there shouldn't be a smoking bar. Is that a tougher question then I think it is. So what has you pent up about a smoking bar? Is the smoke going to drift past all the car fumes and get to you as you walk past it on the sidewalk?

Derrick

mammasan wrote:

Let me see.

Yes

Yes

Yes

Yes.

If a resturant did not keep fresj produce i wouldn't eat there. I don't need the government to tell me that.

If a bar was too noisy I would ask the owner to do something about it and if he didn't I would orhanize the neighborhood and attempt to disrupt his busniss untill he met neighborhood demands. I don't need the gov ernment to help me there either.

A bar can close and open, or even stay open for 24 fucking hours for all I care.

Finally if an establishment didn't have a bathroom i wouldn't work or be a patron of that establishment. Again don't need the government here either.

I am glad you are not a lawmaker or politician.

dunkman

mammasan wrote:

If a resturant did not keep fresj produce i wouldn't eat there. I don't need the government to tell me that.

and you'd know the produce was unfresh how exactly? i've just been to Liverpool and i had maybe 3 meals the whole weekend i was there... i've never been there before so i have to presume they are meeting the national standards of food hygiene... are you wanting to wait until people get sick, food poisoning, so you can say... oh wel i'll just not go back there! how odd

mammasan wrote:

If a bar was too noisy I would ask the owner to do something about it and if he didn't I would orhanize the neighborhood and attempt to disrupt his busniss untill he met neighborhood demands. I don't need the gov ernment to help me there either.

never lived across the street from a pub then have you? I once phoned the pub opposite me and asked when the band might stop playing as i was going to work in 5 hours. he told me it was a private party and the band could play "as long as they fucking want"

one phone call and 15 minutes later his pub was closed for the night. had the government no law on noise pollution he could have had his "private party" going on for 47 weeks if he wanted... common sense prevails

A bar can close and open, or even stay open for 24 fucking hours for all I care.

actually as a scotsman i agree with this one

Finally if an establishment didn't have a bathroom i wouldn't work or be a patron of that establishment. Again don't need the government here either.

so members of staff would have to shit and piss somewhere then... and the big pot of soup seems a good place.. or the alley at the side of the place.

government intervention can be a good thing.. it CAN and DOES make sense.. sometimes

mammasan

Derrick wrote:

I am glad you are not a lawmaker or politician.

Why because I will not make decisions for you and hold your hand as you walk through life. I believe in a limited government. Problems such as these should be dealth with by the people not government.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

even flow? wrote:

I don't smoke. (quoted once again) I think that if an owner wants to have a smoke filled bar and the people who work and drink in there have weighed the option like grown ups and are still sitting in there, it is nobody's business to say they want is shut down. Must be nice being a quitter of smokes and then wanting to lead the health crusade.

Oh, and I don't smoke!

Plus you still haven't stated aside from the people being in the bar on their own will, and you having a worry for their health, why there shouldn't be a smoking bar. Is that a tougher question then I think it is. So what has you pent up about a smoking bar? Is the smoke going to drift past all the car fumes and get to you as you walk past it on the sidewalk?

Health crusade? ??? The only health I'm concerned about is my own and my blood. I could care less what others do to their own health as long as it does not affect mine. I don't care if you smoke or not...it's not of my concern unless you blow it in my face. Feel free to do whatever you want just not if it affects my life in terms of shortening it.

Car's, factories, pollution...etc...yes why make it even worse again?

Where is the logic?

Derrick

mammasan wrote:

Why because I will not make decisions for you and hold your hand as you walk through life. I believe in a limited government. Problems such as these should be dealth with by the people not government.

No. Not everyone has the exact same values. You're truly wrong. Go read Lord of the Flies.